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 04/17/2006 09:33:56 AM · #1
I've been voting for the Studio Color Portrait challenge..

Or am I mistaking? Was it the Neat image - OOF - challenge?

Come on guys, a portrait shoud be sharp in the eyes, neat image could be used, but JUST a little bit... this is a bit of a dissapointment for me.. any other opinions?
 04/17/2006 09:35:52 AM · #2
Totally agree... I left a bunch of comments regarding missed focus and being over processed. I suspect that a lot of people were doing self portraits which is why the focus is off, but not sure.

To be fair though, I thought there were some good shots in the bunch.

Message edited by author 2006-04-17 09:41:47.
 04/17/2006 09:37:00 AM · #3
I haven't commented yet, because I have to go in 5 minutes, done 50% of voting... with let's say 5-6 photos worth above 6
 04/17/2006 09:38:25 AM · #4
I agree with you biteme...I haven't seen so much neat image since they turned Barbie from Human to plastic doll ;-)
 04/17/2006 09:41:08 AM · #5
I have to agree with you, bite.
 04/17/2006 10:03:20 AM · #6
are people ower doing the eyes in this challengs
 04/17/2006 12:30:51 PM · #7
Hmmm. Wondering - What is the difference between soft vs blurry? Aren't many portrait styles a bit on the soft side rather than tack sharp? If you set the USM filter at a low level are you going to get slammed? Hmmm.
 04/17/2006 12:32:29 PM · #8
that's just my honest opinion glad2badad..

it's ok if someone thinks different about it :)
 04/17/2006 12:33:58 PM · #9
Im such a dissapointment!

:-P

Just Kidding!

Message edited by author 2006-04-17 12:34:14.
 04/17/2006 12:34:58 PM · #10
lol!

04/17/2006 12:35:39 PM · #11
Originally posted by hotpasta:
I agree with you biteme...I haven't seen so much neat image since they turned Barbie from Human to plastic doll ;-)


Hey now my image resembles that remark!

:-)

Back to the drawing board! :-P

And yes Hotpasta we can be friends again!

Message edited by author 2006-04-17 12:36:27.
 04/17/2006 12:43:05 PM · #12
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Hmmm. Wondering - What is the difference between soft vs blurry? Aren't many portrait styles a bit on the soft side rather than tack sharp? If you set the USM filter at a low level are you going to get slammed? Hmmm.

Hanneke (biteme) - I wasn't directly referring to your post, just thought this thread would be a good place to put my question without starting a new thread.

I've thought that a little soft versus tack sharp was a good approach for portraits - yes/no? We here at DPC are so used to sharpened images on most everything that I'm wondering if soft is being confused with blurry? Blurry is usually fairly evident with non-defined lines (from camera shake, submect movement, etc...). I could be confused - certainly wouldn't be the first time! ;^)
 04/17/2006 12:45:17 PM · #13
based on the reactions in this thread, I'm guessing this shot from the last Color Portrait challenge in September would score a 5.5 today.



It was a 7.0 then.

Oh my, how things change.
04/17/2006 12:48:04 PM · #14
i noticed this last night a well. I looked thru al the pix in the challenge & there were quite a number of shots tht OD-ed on NI. I wasn't surprised tho. NI is almost a given with portraits here at DPC. Some overly NI shots have actually done really well (like th one above). I personaly don't see the appeal. Cleaning up a noisy image is what I use NI for but everyone has their own eye for things, I guess.


04/17/2006 12:48:44 PM · #15
ok, sorry, didn't realise that.

I think the real soft-focus-filter they use with film, is different from the soft-focus you create in Photoshop or PSP. Sometimes I like the effect, sometimes i don't. But sometimes I can't tell if it was out of focus or soft focus. If I can't tell, the effect wasn't used in a right way (I guess) and it looks like out of focus.

Hmm. Did that make any sense? I'm a bit confused..
 04/17/2006 12:48:54 PM · #16
Originally posted by shanksware:
based on the reactions in this thread, I'm guessing this shot from the last Color Portrait challenge in September would score a 5.5 today.



It was a 7.0 then.

Oh my, how things change.


I honestly thought, on first look, that it was a beauty school mannequin! Sowwyyy.... :(

edit: too early in the morning for spelling...

Message edited by author 2006-04-17 12:50:11.
 04/17/2006 12:57:38 PM · #17
if I like the image, I give it a high score and I don't give a toss how focused it is. I'm getting quite frustrated over comments that list all the interesting things about my photo as if they were imperfections (but to connect to another thread, I don't take it out on the commenters. I mark them as helpful because they're giving me an idea why everyone else is lowballing me as well).
 04/17/2006 12:59:59 PM · #18
You guys aren't going to believe this, but even the fashion industry is using neat image these days!



Oh wait...that cover is from 1987...I guess it's just airbrushing. totally different. my bad.
 04/17/2006 01:01:36 PM · #19
Originally posted by Pedro:
You guys aren't going to believe this, but even the fashion industry is using neat image these days!



Oh wait...that cover is from 1987...I guess it's just airbrushing. totally different. my bad.


Look close at that one and mark it down for a half-assed job of 'shopping. The hands especially need more work, if you ask me :-)

R.
 04/17/2006 01:02:05 PM · #20
Originally posted by Pedro:
You guys aren't going to believe this, but even the fashion industry is using neat image these days!



Oh wait...that cover is from 1987...I guess it's just airbrushing. totally different. my bad.


There is good NI and then there is BAD NI - this is an example of "good" NI. :-)

I agree with the thread - over processing is not to my liking.
 04/17/2006 01:03:51 PM · #21
I am getting pounded in this challenge because my image is "different" I knew that going in that the edge would be pushed for the fairly "IT MUST FOLLOW ALL THE RULES" dpc group...BUT...
there are some images that have simply been distroyed by NI... It is not a required post step IMHO... and in this challenge it is way the heck over used

04/17/2006 01:06:43 PM · #22
Oh, and by the way.
Don't know how many people here use Neat Image.
I don't own it. Never used it.

Smooth skin and sharp eyes can easily be obtained using Photoshops native tools.

Probably be better to leave comments about not liking the
"over processing", rather than too much Neat Image.
 04/17/2006 01:08:54 PM · #23
Originally posted by shanksware:
Oh, and by the way.
Don't know how many people here use Neat Image.
I don't own it. Never used it.

Smooth skin and sharp eyes can easily be obtained using Photoshops native tools.

Probably be better to leave comments about not liking the
"over processing", rather than too much Neat Image.


agreed
 04/17/2006 01:10:35 PM · #24
Originally posted by nomad469:
I am getting pounded in this challenge because my image is "different" I knew that going in that the edge would be pushed for the fairly "IT MUST FOLLOW ALL THE RULES" dpc group...BUT...
there are some images that have simply been distroyed by NI... It is not a required post step IMHO... and in this challenge it is way the heck over used (or post processing that LOOKS like NI)


Edit in deference and agreement to shanksware
 04/17/2006 01:11:21 PM · #25
good point Shanksware - I don't use it either. I get better results without it.

the NI comment was merely pointing out that smoothing of skin isn't necessarily evil, and happens everywhere. the example of oversmoothing I posted was from 20 years ago, and on the cover of THE consummate Fashion mag.

If we're talking about real-world photography I'm a whole lot more interested in pleasing the editors of magazines who pay millions of dollars a year for the images in their magazines than i am pleasing the voters of DP. I love you guys and all, but I get paid elsewhere.
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