"Children's Toy" results recalculated

04/16/2006 12:02:40 AM · #26

Originally posted by soup:

are canadian member rules different? i mean really this seems a bit off kilter - you could barely tell it was a bud. who's to say the water in my glasses isn't liquid acid...

The Terms of Service are governed by the laws of the United States and the Commonwealth of Virginia, regardless of the registered user's location.

While the photos you posted depict drugs, there's nothing about them that appears to encourage their use.

~Terry

04/16/2006 12:03:27 AM · #27

well depicting an illicit substance pretty much does encourage their use, no? or at least depicts the fact the photographer is 'possesion' of them. not to say i am against the use of these items, but...

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04/16/2006 12:05:43 AM · #28

it was a photo of a toy holding a bud - it's pretty unlikely a toy could smoke it.

04/16/2006 12:07:16 AM · #29

..// bad example

why wasn't this DQ'd? it's colored water BTW

Message edited by author 2006-04-16 00:11:02.

04/16/2006 12:09:34 AM · #30

Originally posted by soup:

Not necessarily. Just showing me a marijuana plant does not encourage me to smoke up. It could mean that the photographer is in posession of the substance, or that they are in the presence of someone else who was in posession. They might also be in posession legally (medicinal marijuana, as one example).

~Terry

04/16/2006 12:11:43 AM · #31

Originally posted by soup:

it was a photo of a toy holding a bud - it's pretty unlikely a toy could smoke it.

The rule has nothing to do with whether the holder of the bud could smoke it. It's about whether it encourages viewers of the photograph to use drugs, or underage viewers to use tobacco.

~Terry

04/16/2006 12:12:23 AM · #32

Originally posted by soup:

..// bad example

why wasn't this DQ'd? it's colored water BTW

Again, the rule says "encourages," not "depicts or encourages." It also does not address alcohol. Whether that's an oversight of Drew/Langdon's attorney is a different question.

~Terry

Message edited by author 2006-04-16 00:12:55.

04/16/2006 12:12:30 AM · #33

well maybe bob the builder had a license...

it's a fine line !

Originally posted by ClubJuggle:

Again, the rule says "encourages," not "depicts or encourages."

Message edited by author 2006-04-16 00:13:37.

04/16/2006 12:13:33 AM · #34

Originally posted by soup:

well maybe bob the builder had a license...

We're going in circles here. Please read my previous answers to your questions.

04/16/2006 12:14:51 AM · #35

that's my point ! depiction is a form of encouragment - think of television...

Originally posted by ClubJuggle:

We're going in circles here. Please read my previous answers to your questions.

Katmystiry

Canon EF 85mm f/1.8 USM

04/16/2006 12:22:23 AM · #36

How about these .. to me they teach kids HOW to use drugs they shouldn't be using .. and let's face it .. there are kids on this site. The rule should apply all the way around.

04/16/2006 12:28:55 AM · #37

maybe it's the drugs talking - but a close up of a very KIND bud is much more encouraging to me than a blurry toy holding something that might be marijuana ;}

never mind the psilocybe double ribboner.

Message edited by author 2006-04-16 00:40:53.

04/16/2006 12:47:43 AM · #38

i was in a heated political discussion earlier - and maybe i'm a bit too fired up. i apologize if i am out of line. feel free to delete my posts.

fotomann_forever

04/16/2006 12:59:46 AM · #39

Since sex and drugs are out, can we get rid of rock&roll, too. I'm tired of guitar pictures :-P

Katmystiry

Canon EF 70-200mm f/4.0L USM

Canon EF 85mm f/1.8 USM

04/16/2006 01:03:54 AM · #40

I think the rule needs to be clarified more .. it's very borderline (I'm not a trouble maker.. really) .. but there are more photos that deserve the same dq as Bob the Builder IMO.

Yes, get rid of the guitars!!!

Neuferland

Google Pixel 2

04/16/2006 01:17:50 AM · #41

Read through this and when I first saw the shot in the challenge I didn't pay that close attention to what was in Bob's hand but I did notice what was being carried behind him. Now I have a 3 year old son who LOVES Bob the Builder.

I think what the SC is going for is that fact that small children will associate Bob with cigarettes more than the weed and think that since Bob is shown with one it must be okay. The other examples you have pulled up all have adults in them or teenagers and that is a more realistic approach to what is being portrayed. If I were to show my 10 year old shooting up or smoking or drinking, even it wasn't real, would that be widely accepted? I would certainly hope not.

You are comparing apples to oranges when you bring up these other shots, they do not have a highly recognizable children's icon in them. By putting that figure in there you associated him with the substance, making kids think it's okay. When the items are shown by themselves I can talk to my kids and explain why it's bad but when BOB is in the shot, that's a little harder to explain to a 3 year old. Especially when it's such a cute shot. :)

Deannda
Thank you SC standing up

karmat

Apple iPhone 7

04/16/2006 01:18:02 AM · #42

Again, what makes the BtB pic different than the others posted here, imo, is that BtB is specifically geared toward a younger, more innocent crowd, therefore it came across as promoting drug use.

As for the others posted here, they may depict, but the argument can be made that it is in a negative fashion (especially so if you are like me and are almost phobic about needles).

As Club mentioned, we have tried very clearly to avoid dq'ing any of these shots in the past. But, Mr. Builder stepped over the line by being a children's toy.

As a regular member, I do find it almost ironic that the photographer is taking the dq better than the other members.

bfox2

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

04/16/2006 01:36:07 AM · #43

So another question along these lines...lets say that during a Candid challenge I come across a 10yr old smoking a cigarette...either in the US or elsewhere, and I manage to capture a very powerful image i.e. social commentary or regional lifestyle or whatever... Is this shot going to be DQ'd without question as depicting a minor smoking a cigarette, and therefore encouraging others?

Rikki

Canon EOS-20D

04/16/2006 01:37:41 AM · #44

well i think you very well just identified your image ;)

bfox2