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 03/05/2003 10:52:29 PM · #26
i was just pointing out an incident where your government intentionally killed hundreds of thousands of civilians in warfare. rationalize it any way you want...

Message edited by author 2003-03-05 22:58:05.
 03/05/2003 10:55:43 PM · #27
Originally posted by ChrisW123:
Originally posted by jimmythefish:
Well, Hiroshima and Nagasaki come to mind...do you mean you don't do it any more? Everyone is vulnerable in arguments like this, buddy.


Yeah gee, I bet you would have rather had Japan and Germany win the war? Do you think you'd have the life you have now if that happened? No. The Japanese would NOT SURRENDER in WWII and dropping "the bomb" on Japan was the only way to get them to give up. Otherwise it would have dragged on and more lives would have lost in it. Do you really think that if they had the A-bomb back then they wouldn't have used it on us? I guess THAT would have been OK with you?


and i can't believe you're actually defending what is, historically speaking, second only to the holocaust as the most horrific act against humanity. perhaps they would have done it to us, but they DIDN'T. that's the important bit in mass destruction...you know, actually doing it.
 03/05/2003 11:00:07 PM · #28
Originally posted by jimmythefish:
i was just pointing out an incident where your government intentinally killed hundreds of thousands of civilians in warfare. rationalize it any way you want...


We were attacked first in WWII and we FINISHED the fight. You know, why is it that so many are so quick to point out WWII (which was justified) and other things about the USA, but FAIL to acknowledge or point out the attrocities of dictatorships around the World? That worries me about peoples thinking and ideology these days.
 03/05/2003 11:04:00 PM · #29
I know there is no anti-American snobbery in Canada, so I know it's just a coincidence that all the anti-American snotty comments are coming from Canadians. Comparing reasonable caution to Hitlers, Stalins, and Pol Pots outrageous methods is kinda exageratin', don't ya think? And, don't forget how they also called for their citizens to give up all their firearms. I think people on this site should stick to photography instead of mudslinging other people country.

ALSO, I'm sure just about any bridge could be photographed, even if the cops investigate. They usually are reasonable if you don't have a fake ID or something to make them suspicious. The exceptions could be major bridges that would be likely terrorist targets. That is not us surrendering any liberty at all, just us being understanding of our national situation.
 03/05/2003 11:05:45 PM · #30


LOL im afarid the USA is prepared to kill 10,000 of thousands and for one reason "monetary gain" and if you believe usa are going to war because of "terrorism" then you are wrong.

Americans are different they are basically brainwashed from birth into believing thier country is the greatest (schooling is responsible) hence the over bearing patrisim, its the governments way of keeping people in the country and has been practised since the birth of so called independence.

i could list many examples but i wont , dont want to get flamed, i like americans personally its not thier fault id be the same if i had lived in the USA all my life!

Message edited by author 2003-03-05 23:07:54.
 03/05/2003 11:14:59 PM · #31
Originally posted by ChrisW123:

And the US isn't "Prepared to kill 10,000 of thousands". What kind of BS is this? We don't intentially kill civilians in war and anyone who suggests this is sick in the head. We are trying to protect the World from terrorism! Don't you think that's a good idea? Or do you think we should wait until the US or Canada has a nuclear explosion from some wacked out Muslim fundementalist before we do something about it?


Chris, the guns was ONE of many examples for which you and many others have an excuse always ready (bill of rights that was written 100's of years ago to protect you against the British...how ironic, now you are desperate for their support)

Anyways, you say 'trying to protect the world from terrorism'...is that the excuse of the week? Last week it was 'liberating the people of Iraq', the week before it was 'getting rid of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction'...all read 'TO GET THE OIL'.

Thanks, but the world is NOT scared of terrorists (i'd guess 98% of the countries anyways...including CANADA)...you know why? Cause we mind our own business, and are not initiating trouble overseas for our own interests, that's why. The USA was attacked...NOT THE WORLD...but then again most Americans 'think' the US is the world.

Sorry, i divert...bridges were made to be used by people to cross from one point to the other, AND to be photographed by whoever wants to photograph them...I encourage all American photographers (pro and amateur) to write to their senators and demand that the FREEDOM of photographing public structures be given back to them. Damn, I'll even write a letter or two if you'd like.

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 03/05/2003 11:18:06 PM · #32
I agree Briphoto. I am not upset that this occurred only surprised that I was involved. Its one of those incidents that one thinks it could never happen to them. Actually, It makes me feel better to know that our police force is protecting us in this fashion. It shows they are keeping their eyes open. I appreciate that.
 03/05/2003 11:18:26 PM · #33
"The exceptions could be major bridges that would be likely terrorist targets. That is not us surrendering any liberty at all, just us being understanding of our national situation."

The two greatest terrorist attacks in the US have been against buildings -- the WTC, the Pentagon and the OKC federal building. Doesn't that mean -- by YOUR logic -- that we should be stopped from taking pictures of major buildings?
03/05/2003 11:19:13 PM · #34
Originally posted by ChrisW123:
Originally posted by jimmythefish:
i was just pointing out an incident where your government intentinally killed hundreds of thousands of civilians in warfare. rationalize it any way you want...


We were attacked first in WWII and we FINISHED the fight. You know, why is it that so many are so quick to point out WWII (which was justified) and other things about the USA, but FAIL to acknowledge or point out the attrocities of dictatorships around the World? That worries me about peoples thinking and ideology these days.


Well I disagree wholeheartedly that it was justified, and I'll leave it at that. As for dictatorships, sure. What of them? There are all sorts of dictatorships around the world. Do I have to compare atrocities to say that those committed by our western governments aren't as bad? I'm not being a smug Canadian, I'm saying that the rest of the world has a right to oppose the United States on an ideological basis. Your government isn't always right. It isn't automatically justified in acting out on its foreign policies. It doesn't have our consent to do whatever the hell it wants at any time on the grounds that 'we're doing it, so it's gotta be good'.

Rid the world of terrorism? Don't you see that in drawing battle lines and in bombing Afghanistan and supporting Israel over the Palestinians and in beating the Iraqi war drum you're just guaranteeing that the rift will exist for that much longer? Rid the world of terrorism, my ass. Piss everyone off, more like it. Find out why people are disagreeing with you and make a change.

Message edited by author 2003-03-05 23:20:54.
 03/05/2003 11:21:20 PM · #35
Originally posted by Hoogie:
Americans are different they are basically brainwashed from birth into believing thier country is the greatest (schooling is responsible) hence the over bearing patrisim, its the governments way of keeping people in the country and has been practised since the birth of so called independence.


"Keeping people in the country..." what a laugh. That's why so many FORIEGNERS are comming to THIS COUNTRY. I really think countries like New Newland, Australia, and Canada have issues with the US because they are jealous of this country. May sound a little pompous to say but I really get the idea that it must be the reason. I know what I'm talking about because I get the same feeling from others with the same anti-Americanism and it's usually from people in those countries.
03/05/2003 11:22:20 PM · #36
This anti-American diatribe sucks. First, Hoogie, I notice you are NOT typing in German. Second, as a proud but semi-ancient Canadian, I am irritated by those of my fellow citizens who blather on about the 'evils' of their neighbor-protector sister to the south. Trust me, when Hiroshima and Nagasaki were bombed, had Canada had the weapon, there'd have been HUGE lines volunteering to drop it.

This discussion started with a comment on photographing bridges. Nobody told stories of their cameras being taken by gun-wielding cops, nor of their images being destroyed. It's a matter of security. Find me a country where there is no security, and I'll show you a country where nobody worries about its value, thus rendering it worthless to inspire terror.

Ever try to get film through an airport without it being x-rayed? I've had it hand-checked and un-X-rayed in Seattle, LA, SFO, Denver, JFK, Houston, New Orleans, SLC, but NEVER in Canada! Never in Europe. THERE's a more likely innocent target - undeveloped film.

Let's stick with photography and leave politics alone. Just my huumble opinion...
03/05/2003 11:24:30 PM · #37
The United States is not against the Palestinians. It is against the Hamas and terriorist suicide bombers and those who support them.
 03/05/2003 11:29:00 PM · #38
I generally agree that America projects its will way too much, and we engender a lot of the negative feeling out there about us. (I also think some of the negative feelings are NOT our fault.) But if anyone thinks we are any more "brainwashed" than any other citizen of ANY other country, they are in la-la land.
 03/05/2003 11:34:25 PM · #39
Originally posted by calaille:
Most railfans just don't feel comfortable with this guerilla-type railfanning, so they just stay home instead, complaining that there is nothing more "american" than watching trains.

Calaille.


I live right along the main east west line from Philly to Chicago. In an area that during WWII was considered a major strategic area to defend. Now the security here is somewhat lax. Here in the city I have no trouble getting photos of the trains and rails, all though I have heard that a local tourist attraction that centers around the rails is a bit different.

They do close access to the area when the security levels heighten and that the big concern isn't so much the photographers but those who carry large picnic baskets into the area. The harmless picnic baskets are searched before being premitted up to the top of the mountain to view the trains. I guess that is why the consession stand is doing such a wonderful business since 911.

03/05/2003 11:35:35 PM · #40
Chrisw123......i assure you no-one is jealous of the usa i was in new york a while back and TRUST me when i say there is no way in the world i would be jealous of your country.

Americans think they are the world and most are oblivious to any other country exsisting unless its pumped into them like Iraq.

Its the way you are educated History consists of american only... you even call your baseball "the world series" wheres the other countries ?

Im not against the USA anyway it just amazes me what most americans believe and then again its not any individuals fault .
 03/05/2003 11:44:24 PM · #41
Originally posted by Hoogie:
i was in new york a while back and TRUST me when i say there is no way in the world i would be jealous of your country.


Great, don't come back then. :) We won't miss you that's for sure.

Originally posted by Hoogie:
Its the way you are educated History consists of american only... you even call your baseball "the world series" wheres the other countries ?


God you even have a problem with our Baseball huh. A 100 year old game and you even have a problem with that. Get over it Hoogie. You don't like the USA then don't come here. All I can say about that.
 03/05/2003 11:46:36 PM · #42
So...about those bridges. :)
 03/05/2003 11:48:22 PM · #43
Hoogie, I appreciate that you are so familiar with the American educational system that you can tell us how were are educated in history. In fact, you are full of it in that regard.

Americans do generally have a rather one-sided perspective of the world, but a large part of that is circumstantial, not cultural. Either way, it's not a good thing, I'll agree.

Baseball is called the world series because when we started playing said series, we were the only ones in the world doing so in an organized fashion. I would bet the champs would take a trip to New Zealand if your fellas feel like taking a shot.

America does a lot of things wrong, but as some folks in this thread prove, Americans aren't the only crass, ignorant folks out there.
 03/05/2003 11:51:27 PM · #44
Originally posted by byetko:
So...about those bridges. :)


LOL, good question... I think we got a little off track. I think I started it, but I HAVE TO REPLY when I see these little barbs that anti-Americans just have to interject into their comments. :) I can't just ignore them.
 03/05/2003 11:55:34 PM · #45
Originally posted by ChrisW123:
Originally posted by byetko:
So...about those bridges. :)


LOL, good question... I think we got a little off track. I think I started it, but I HAVE TO REPLY when I see these little barbs that anti-Americans just have to interject into their comments. :) I can't just ignore them.


yep...that pretty much sums up the entire american foreign policy...make sure you stick your nose everywhere your not liked after YOU started causing the s@#t.

thanks, chris, for the summary :)

Message edited by author 2003-03-05 23:56:46.
 03/05/2003 11:59:20 PM · #46
So, how about that Yao Ming eh? Boy, he's one tall dude.


calaille
 03/05/2003 11:59:41 PM · #47
Originally posted by zadore:
yep...that pretty much summs up the entire american foreign policy...make sure you stick your nose everywhere your not liked.


Zadore, my point was: I don't take cheapshots in my forum posts against other countries like others tend to do against the USA. But I DO react to them. There's a difference don't you think?
 03/06/2003 12:00:59 AM · #48
Originally posted by zadore:

yep...that pretty much sums up the entire american foreign policy...make sure you stick your nose everywhere your not liked after YOU started causing the s@#t.

thanks, chris, for the summary :)


Threads like this are enough to make me forget my anti-war, pro-world outlook, and start wondering why we don't tell the rest of the world to shove it the next time they want our military to fix their problems. (Note that I'm not saying Iraq is one of those times.)
 03/06/2003 12:01:36 AM · #49
Originally posted by calaille:
So, how about that Yao Ming eh? Boy, he's one tall dude.
calaille


I had tickets to the game here in Toronto tonight, but had to give them up due to unforseen circumstances...bummer, was going to take pictures of that 'giant' :)
 03/06/2003 12:02:42 AM · #50
Originally posted by jimmythefish:
Originally posted by ChrisW123:

And the US isn't "Prepared to kill 10,000 of thousands". What kind of BS is this? We don't intentially kill civilians in war and anyone who suggests this is sick in the head.


Well, Hiroshima and Nagasaki come to mind...do you mean you don't do it any more? Everyone is vulnerable in arguments like this, buddy.

I was recently reminded that the revised, official death count at My Lai was 524.
Now, I guess that's not tens of thousands, but it's 524 more innocent civilians than I want slaughtered in my name. If you don't know what My Lai is, then you should read up on that, and on the "Gulf of Tonkin Incident," before speaking with such certitude about what the USA is "willing to do" to achieve its political and economic goals.

I also highly recommend the following two articles, likely under-reported by Dan Rather and your local newspaper:
When Hussein Was Our Ally
J.B. Kiesling resignation letter
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