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04/09/2006 10:43:06 AM · #1 |
The results of Playtime (Challenge 470) have been recalculated due to a disqualification. The entry previously ranked in 95th place was disqualified for use of non-Adjustment layers and use of layers with blending modes other than Normal.
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04/09/2006 02:22:00 PM · #2 |
on this note - would creating an exact duplicate layer in normal mode - merely to salvage the original image data in the BG layer, editing the duplicate layer in accordance with basic edit rules, then flattening the image when done be grounds for DQ?
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04/09/2006 02:46:39 PM · #3 |
Since this does not influence the end result and is not really part of the workflow, it should not be a problem.
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04/09/2006 03:42:02 PM · #4 |
right
just trying to officially clarify.
Message edited by author 2006-04-09 15:42:45.
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04/09/2006 04:43:16 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by soup:
on this note - would creating an exact duplicate layer in normal mode - merely to salvage the original image data in the BG layer, editing the duplicate layer in accordance with basic edit rules, then flattening the image when done be grounds for DQ? |
According to the SC comments on another DQ'd image:
Duplicating layers is not permitted in 'Basic Editing.' Please review the challenge submission rules. |
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04/09/2006 05:05:17 PM · #6 |
So in other words just don't tell the SC since there is no other way they could know about it or just save the original layer in a another file if you wanted to preserve it untouched.
Message edited by author 2006-04-09 17:06:07.
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04/09/2006 10:30:38 PM · #7 |
Tim,
Sorry for the slow reply.
First of all, I assume that you are saving your unaltered original and working on your submissions as a separate file, and are just saving this background layer for convenience in comparing the two while editing. If not, the whole point becomes moot since this would not be a valid original.
Before I go further I will mention that quite a few Site Council are away this weekend, and the below was based upon discussion by a small group of us. I'm therefore stopping short of calling this an official ruling, but it does represent the opinion of at least the three Site Council members who discussed it.
The letter of the law is that only adjustment layers may be used, and since this would not be an adjustment layer, it does violate the rules.
With that said, the spirit of that rule is to prohobit certain kinds of editing. This layer would have absolutely no effect on the final image, and in fact if you were to simply not mention it in your editing steps, it would hae no effect on our ability to duplicate your final result. For that reason, the three of us who discussed this believe that this is within the spirit of the rules, and would not vote to DQ an image for creating a layer in this way.
~Terry
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04/09/2006 11:15:53 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
Tim,
With that said, the spirit of that rule is to prohobit certain kinds of editing. This layer would have absolutely no effect on the final image, and in fact if you were to simply not mention it in your editing steps, it would hae no effect on our ability to duplicate your final result. For that reason, the three of us who discussed this believe that this is within the spirit of the rules, and would not vote to DQ an image for creating a layer in this way.
~Terry |
That's very good to know. This is the proper, fundamental workflow for photoshop. It is just about the first thing a person should learn about Photoshop. My very first act on opening any file is to duplicate the BG layer and save as a new psd document. Because I was specifically told, quite some time ago, that this procedure is "illegal", here's what I have been doing in basic challenges: I've been opening a whole other copy of the image (2 psd files visible) and working on the 1-BG-layer version with the appropriate adjustment layers. Each time I finish an adjustment layer, I drag it over to the 2-BG-layer version and park a copy of it there, so the two images build in lockstep, as it were.
When I merge all layers into BG, which I do fregently in midflow, I drag THAT merged layer over to stack on the other image, then start my next round of adjustment layers on the "legal" image.
This way, if something goes completely wrong or I just want to go way back to an intermediate stage, I can start a new document and drag the relevant pieces over from the "archival" set and start over from there. And all of this can be avoided if I can just base my work on a stacked duplicate of the BG layer.
It would be nice to see this fundamental principle finally approved, if that's what's happening.
Robt.
Message edited by author 2006-04-09 23:16:50.
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04/09/2006 11:23:09 PM · #9 |
| Sounds like a bunch of PS to me! ;} |
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04/09/2006 11:27:15 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by Alienyst:
Sounds like a bunch of PS to me! ;} |
jejeje� It's pretty much automatic, it only adds like 1 second per step to drag 'n drop. And it leaves a properly-constructed psd original for archiving purposes and future non-challenge adjustments.
R.
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