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04/08/2006 06:39:11 PM · #1 |
I'm gonna kill me a dog, no actually I'm just going to end up turning him back over to the shelter. Vinnie, seen here:  will not come to you when he's loose outside the house or yard. If he's in the house or yard he listens like a dream but he jumps the fence (a 5' fence) or bolts out the front door he will run and run and not listen at all. At least not to anyone in this house. We have never beaten this dog, always rewarded him with tons of praise and treats when he does come in the house but it's a game when he gets loose. A freakin' game that I can't play anymore.
We have been working everyday on sit, stay, come and like I said, in the house and in the yard he's great, it's outside the yard that he becomes a deaf, dumb idiot who thinks it's just one big game to play stay out of reach of anyone in the family.
Deannda
It's a shame but I can't deal with it anymore
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04/08/2006 08:10:37 PM · #2 |
why dont you put him on a leash outside to use the bathroom? or does he break that too? we could never let our dogs run loose because they dont listen either.
I always envy the people who can just let their dogs run around and they come right back to them.
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04/08/2006 08:59:34 PM · #3 |
We had a dog that used to jump the fence all the time. My dad hooked up a low voltage electrical fencing thing around the top of the regular fense. It was enough of a jolt to keep the dog inside the fenceline, even after the power was turned off. It's the same kind of fence used for farm animals.
Trust me it's a shock, but doesn't really hurt too much. Really trust me. I know. |
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04/08/2006 09:17:13 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by NathanW:
We had a dog that used to jump the fence all the time. My dad hooked up a low voltage electrical fencing thing around the top of the regular fense. It was enough of a jolt to keep the dog inside the fenceline, even after the power was turned off. It's the same kind of fence used for farm animals.
Trust me it's a shock, but doesn't really hurt too much. Really trust me. I know. |
I share the fence with two other neighbors (it goes all the way around the yard) and we put up chicken wire between the two side yards ontop of the regular fence and that stops him but I can't do that on the front because the "Village" won't allow it (beauty thing) and I can't hook up the electric fence because it would affect the other neighbors who also have dogs and KIDS and I know it doesn't hurt much, my dad had one for our horses growing up but all I need is one kid to get shocked and another hassle on my hands.
Originally posted by queanbeez:
why dont you put him on a leash outside to use the bathroom? or does he break that too? we could never let our dogs run loose because they dont listen either. |
He is on a leash when he goes out now but he is also allowed to run free for a certain amount of time each day, with someone guarding the fence. But now he BOLTS out the front door and takes off.
It's not like he doesn't get any excerise, he runs for 15-30 minutes a day in the yard with our other dog, playing and wrestling, they play in the house, he gets to go for at least one 30 minute walk a day and we have never punished him for coming to us or in the house, it's always been tons of praise and treats. Something just snaps in his brain when he gets loose. I have never had a dog like this before and it's extremely fustrating!
He needs a place with a stockade fence and at least one acre to run. He's greyhound/lab mix, racing breed with a high energy. We thought he would okay here with our decent size yard and so did Frank, the shelter manager, he knows my place. But it's been almost a year and nothing is changing, it's just getting worse.
Deannda
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04/08/2006 09:50:49 PM · #5 |
Try this. They really work. No fencing (only small underground wire) to put up and different levels for the more stubborn dog.
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04/08/2006 10:31:58 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by dudephil:
Try this. They really work. No fencing (only small underground wire) to put up and different levels for the more stubborn dog. |
Not this dog. I used an electric collar on him, set at the highest setting, it was the only one he could feel and he quickly learned all he had to do was get out of range quickly and it didn't shock him anymore. I'm serious when I say something just snaps in this dog when he gets loose. Some dogs are like that, I personally have never had one, until Vinnie.
This is killing all of us, he's the sweetest dog in the world otherwise, he really is but when he gets loose he just won't listen and with the number of kids and other dogs in this neighborhood it's only a matter of time before he knocks someone over and we get hit for damages. He's not a mean dog, just really stupid when he gets loose. He thinks it's all a game and everyone is a playmate. And I was also informed when I talked to Frank about this before there have been several complaints about him when he's gotten loose before, Frank didn't act on them because he does know me so well, I used to volunteer there and also helped find another tough case, very similar to Vinnie a new home in Virginia and even delivered him.
Think it's time to put Vinnie out on the network and see what we can do.
Deannda
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04/08/2006 10:33:02 PM · #7 |
And thank you everyone for the suggestions, they are appreciated but believe me when I say we have tried just about everything, hence the fustration. We have tried different collars, training, the works, nothing is working.
Deannda
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04/08/2006 10:51:21 PM · #8 |
| The obedience traing you do with him. Do you only do it inside? Do you use treats when working with him? I am currently in an obedience class with my dog at this present time. Our instructor has us use treats when working with our dogs. They become very attentive to that. She will also not let us have them off the leash at this point even though some of us have mastered the come on the leash. Maybe you have tried this just a thought. I hope it all works out well for you. He is a beautiful dog. |
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04/08/2006 11:40:21 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by LKMote:
The obedience traing you do with him. Do you only do it inside? Do you use treats when working with him? I am currently in an obedience class with my dog at this present time. Our instructor has us use treats when working with our dogs. They become very attentive to that. She will also not let us have them off the leash at this point even though some of us have mastered the come on the leash. Maybe you have tried this just a thought. I hope it all works out well for you. He is a beautiful dog. |
We work with treats all the time. He is very good in the house with come, stay and sit. When he is in the yard, loose, it takes about 5 minutes to get his attention and then again, very good with come, stay and sit. But when he gets outside the yard, his brain goes on overload or something, I don't know, all I know is come, sit and stay become totally foreign words to him.
He is a beautiful dog, a very sweet dog, he's wonderful with my 3 year old. And we have tried so many different things with him, and they all work great in the house and in the fenced yard, it's when he gets loose that nothing works. Nothing.
I just wish I could find him a home with a very tall, solid fence, large yard, I'd travel to deliver him if I knew he would be happy and safe. That's another thing, it's only a matter of time before someone doesn't see him and he ends up hit by a car. We live at the bottom of a hill and kids fly down the hill all the time. So far we've been lucky.
Deannda
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04/08/2006 11:58:22 PM · #10 |
Deannda have you tried using a different kind of treat for the come command than you do for sit and stay. The treat should be something you only give for this command. And something he would like a lot. This is the only other thing I could suggest to try if you haven't yet.
Good luck with him. I really hope it can work out.
Lori |
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04/09/2006 01:21:18 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by LKMote:
Deannda have you tried using a different kind of treat for the come command than you do for sit and stay. The treat should be something you only give for this command. And something he would like a lot. This is the only other thing I could suggest to try if you haven't yet.
Good luck with him. I really hope it can work out.
Lori |
Yep, I have about 4 different treats for the dogs, ones when they come in from the yard, one for special occasions, one for training and one for Lolli alone (she has no teeth so she gets the really soft kitty treats). The one I use for training is their favorite, basted little treats that they go nuts over.
I know you are trying to help and give ideas and I do apprecate that. Truth is though that this dog is what they call a runner. There are dogs like this, ones that get loose and they just don't listen no matter how much training they have. I personally would have never believed it having never dealt with it before but after doing some homework, research and talking to other dog owners it is true. There is a home for Vinnie out there somewhere, it's just not with us. I wish it was but the stress everytime he gets loose is really taking it's toll on my family, my relationship with my neighbors and my nerves. I don't want to give up on him but I have to make choices that are always difficult and sometimes at times seem impossible, and they are hard but they have to be made.
He won't be put to sleep, I have already made arrangements with Frank that should the shelter become full and he is next in line to be put down he comes back here until they have room again. I have tried to find a home for this dog before, three times and do not even get any response to the ads, probably because I'm too honest about his one single bad habit.
Deannda
I just needed to vent earlier, the decision has been made
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04/09/2006 02:58:59 AM · #12 |
My dad had a "runner" once. It can be so annoying. . .
Fortunately, we live out in the sticks, so we just let her run.
And no thank you, we don't want another dog. ;)
Good luck! |
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04/10/2006 01:43:37 AM · #13 |
| A friend of mine has a "runner" just happens to be a Greyhound. Not the brightest dog but really sweet. She also tried everything and finally just let the dog run and quit going after it. She always comes back after an hour or two. Fortunately the friend lives in a place, on the edge of the sticks, where she can allow the dog that need. Now after 8-9 years, the dog has slowed down due to age and doesn't run off the 17 acres very often anymore. |
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04/10/2006 02:23:29 PM · #14 |
LOL My dogs are like that. One was and still is totally hopeless. Especially now being deaf. The other one is pretty good but he takes his own time to come to you. He would ocassionally wonder off. Yesterday we found him stuck in the neighbors garage.
What they tought me is to keep them on the leash or keep a very close eye on them. You have to anticipate when they're going to bolt and correct them then. However, they're slow learners. So am I. How many times I said to myself, "That's it, he never gets off the leash." But next day...
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