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Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS

04/08/2006 01:52:46 PM · #1

I have a pretty good "jump" photo. However, there are some "light colored" objects just to the right of my "jumper" and slightly "touching" the jumper. I think it may be an out of focus leaf.

I found that If I selectivly desaturate and then lighten that area using using a hue-saturation layer, I can just about get the distraction to fade into the dark background. Is this legal or would this be the same as cloning out a major element?

I only have a few hours left...this may mean the difference in a whole point!

Thanks...

Konador

Canon EOS-500D Rebel T1i

04/08/2006 01:53:51 PM · #2

It doesnt sound like a major element to me, however to be sure, submit a ticket from the Contact page.

Apple iPhone 5

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 ED

04/08/2006 01:54:44 PM · #3

Originally posted by kenskid:

I only have a few hours left...this may mean the difference in a whole point!

A few hours? - But it doesn't have to be submitted until tomorrow night.

Tamron SP AF 17-35mm f/2.8-4 Di LD Aspherical IF for Nikon

04/08/2006 02:33:53 PM · #4

Few hours to edit...I have other things to do!!!

KS

Originally posted by jhonan:

Originally posted by kenskid:
I only have a few hours left...this may mean the difference in a whole point!

A few hours? - But it doesn't have to be submitted until tomorrow night.

Node

Nikon D300

04/08/2006 02:53:35 PM · #5

You can also dodge or burn that area! That may help.

jpeters

Nikon D200

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.8D

04/08/2006 03:01:19 PM · #6

Originally posted by kenskid:

Few hours to edit...I have other things to do!!!

KS

You have other things to do besides DPC? What could possibly be more important? ;-)

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.8D

04/08/2006 03:02:24 PM · #7

Yes I know...I tried to dodge it but find that a desat layer works best. Like I said, it reduces the unwanted object to next to black...which is where I want it. I just don't remember reading if you could desat and lighten something so much that it ultimatly disappears and still be within the rules of advanced edit.

Keep in mind...I will not "clone" it our but simply fade it into the background.

Thanks,

Originally posted by Gurilla:

You can also dodge or burn that area! That may help.

jpeters

Nikon D200

04/08/2006 03:09:23 PM · #8

In my opinion it sounds completely legal. If it can be removed by just desaturating then it probably isn't something that would be considered a major element.

justin_hewlett

Canon EOS-1000D Rebel XS

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS

04/08/2006 03:17:05 PM · #9

Originally posted by Gurilla:

You can also dodge or burn that area! That may help.

The questions is not which technique should be used to remove the element. The question is whether or not a major element would be removed. What's important is the end result and not the means by which that end is achieved.

In other words, burning or dodging a major element into obscurity is still removing a major element.

Artifacts

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

04/08/2006 03:30:53 PM · #10

If I am not mistaken... if something is deemed a "major element" it does not matter how you remove it, you are still removing a major element and that would still be subject to DQ.

If it is ruled that it is not a major element than you can just go ahead and clone it out. That would be easiest.

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS

04/08/2006 03:37:20 PM · #11

The element in my Jump shot is much less than the fence that was taken out of this shot Scroll down the page that the link leads to in order to see the fence that was cloned out.

The shot won a ribbon. So I may clone out that "leaf" after all !

KS

[quote=stdavidson] If I am not mistaken... if something is deemed a "major element" it does not matter how you remove it, you are still removing a major element and that would still be subject to DQ.

If it is ruled that it is not a major element than you can just go ahead and clone it out. That would be easiest. [/quote

Konador

Canon EOS-500D Rebel T1i

04/08/2006 03:46:15 PM · #12

Note that the bird photo was a previous version of the rules, where there were no major element references. Do not rely on past photos, but ask SC directly to get a definate answer.

Canon EOS-20D

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

04/08/2006 03:46:35 PM · #13

Originally posted by kenskid:

That shot was entered under a different ruleset - one which did not contain a "major elements" clause. If you truly want to be on the safe side, you should do as Konador suggested and submit a ticket.

Edit: Or do as he said the second time...faster than me. ;)

Message edited by author 2006-04-08 15:47:09.