Model needed to pose for Candid - DPChallenge Forums

04/06/2006 05:38:50 PM · #52

It's foolish to debate this. You're not going to be able to tell what was candid or what wasn't so why even try?

My definition of a candid is a photo where the photographer provides no instruction whatsoever and just took the shot. Now if the photographer tells his/her subject something like put down that apple and go play around with the other kids and takes the shot then that's NOT a candid photo, period even though it might come out looking like the most candid shot ever. Only the photographer is going to know what was candid and what wasn't. If the photographer wants to be dishonest about it then that's something they have to deal with. Chances are that trait will come out evidentially in other ways and people will see it or not. Who cares?

As for this challenge, it's a free study like 90% of every challenge so might as well just vote on what you like the best.

Message edited by author 2006-04-06 17:40:15.

marcellieb

Canon EOS-400D Rebel XTi

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04/06/2006 05:50:41 PM · #53

NO WAY - How can you say children playing is not a candid, I never tell my kid how to play - she won't listen anyhow. If I want to take candid photos of my little girl, I tell her what to do and she does everything except what I told her - hence candid.
The shots of people in crowds - The guy looking at the camera knew the photo was taken - he even frowned, but it's still a candid.

04/06/2006 05:58:51 PM · #54

Originally posted by marcellieb:

If the kid wasn't playing until the photographer instructed him to do so it's not candid, IMO. The photographer invented the situation just for his/her photograph. It's no different then telling a model in a studio to "be sexy". The photographer doesn't have to tell the model how to be sexy although I'm sure they do on occassion.

Message edited by author 2006-04-06 17:59:55.

marcellieb

Canon EOS-400D Rebel XTi

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

04/06/2006 06:11:00 PM · #55

Still don't agree. What do kids do? They play! If the photographer told them how to play, well yes - Pose.

Take animals for instance - I once put down a "salt lick" because I knew wild pigs would come to lick the salt and I waited and got some shots. Is this candid or pose - Or, if I tell my kid to go and play with other kids and I take the photo without her knowing it - would that be pose or candid. IYHO my entry would then be a pose as well. I put something in reach of someone because I knew that person would not be able to resist, I lured that person into the room and I went around the corner and took the shot - I "posed" the person without them knowing it. It is a candid shot although planned by me - same as the pigs.

bod

04/06/2006 06:25:31 PM · #56

Originally posted by olbol:

Well, stdavidson, and for the 12th time now I am going to ask the same bloody question: how do you put together posed images and those genuinely caught by photographer in one contest bowl?

You get a bloody big bowl.
Then you stop worrying about bowls and realise that it's the photography that matters. Unless you're a goldfish. Then the bowl becomes pretty darned important.

Artifacts

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

04/06/2006 07:20:12 PM · #57

Originally posted by olbol:

Well, stdavidson, and for the 12th time now I am going to ask the same bloody question: how do you put together posed images and those genuinely caught by photographer in one contest bowl?

I am learning quite a lot thankyouverymuch. For instance, never start a thread in forums - you're bound to be misinterpreted anyway.

My apologies... I was responding to the parts where you implied people cheat in "basic rules" and that images should be DQed for failing to meet a challenge. That is where people waste energy better spent learning photography.

As with almost everything in photography there is not a clearly defined line between candid and posed photography. Both can contain elements of the other.

Professional photographers consider candid photography to be where they put their clients in natural settings where they are more comfortable and spontanous in their behavior. Capturing those spontaneous moments is candid photography even though the subjects knew they were there specifically to be photographed. If that definition is good enough for professionals then it should be good enough for DPC.

My advice to you is to widen your concept of what candid means. Do that and your question fades away.

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04/06/2006 08:21:56 PM · #58

Originally posted by marcellieb:

Candid shouldn't equal scripted but that's just my opinion. :) Your pig example is scripted same goes for a trained dog being told to play dead just for the camera. It's just not a candid moment but rather a contrived one, IMO. If the dog played dead without you telling it well then that's candid. Granted I can see the shades of gray in this in that yes what you are saying can be candid moments but the less the subject is aware of the camera the more candid the shot becomes.

Think of it as the "Observer effect" (sometimes confused with Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle), which states that the observer by virtual of observing effects the actions of the observed. People do not behave the way they normally do when someone is holding a camera. The more aware the subject is of the camera the less candid the subject becomes. By virtual of that definition a true candid is one where the photographer was never seen or heard.

Edited for clarity.

Message edited by author 2006-04-06 20:24:12.

aznym

Fujifilm X-T3

04/06/2006 08:24:58 PM · #59

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