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04/04/2006 05:10:54 AM · #1 |
Just posted:
//www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos30d/
If anybody is interested!
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04/04/2006 06:35:35 AM · #2 |
| i would like to see if anyone asked bout the 'Soft-touch shutter release button' new feature |
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04/04/2006 07:12:22 AM · #3 |
Glad to see it, been waiting for that for a while. Spent the last hour combing it with interest at work... Yum.
I can't wait. |
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04/04/2006 07:36:24 AM · #4 |
I've noticed with dpreview that the rating system is fairly predictable. If the camera is a dSLR from Nikon or Canon it will get a 'Highly Recommended'
If it's a P&S it will get a maximum of 'Recommnended' or 'Above Average'
I suppose that's what happens when you try to compare high-ISO outputs from P&S against a dSLR. The most the P&S could hope for is 'Recommended' |
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04/04/2006 07:48:29 AM · #5 |
i don't disagree ... but i'd like to add that the reviews are so in depth you can decide for yourself if you agree with them or not.
Originally posted by jhonan:
I've noticed with dpreview that the rating system is fairly predictable. If the camera is a dSLR from Nikon or Canon it will get a 'Highly Recommended'
If it's a P&S it will get a maximum of 'Recommnended' or 'Above Average'
I suppose that's what happens when you try to compare high-ISO outputs from P&S against a dSLR. The most the P&S could hope for is 'Recommended' |
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04/04/2006 07:55:18 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by hopper:
i don't disagree ... but i'd like to add that the reviews are so in depth you can decide for yourself if you agree with them or not. |
Exactly. And they are the best review site on the internet. However, it just seems a bit unfair to lump P&S's in with dSLRs in the same rating system. Especially when they measure noise so exactly.
Most P&S reviews I've read on there lately drop a rating because of noise.
Besides, imagine the flack if they'd only given the 30D a 'Recommended'.... ;-) |
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04/04/2006 07:57:33 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by jhonan:
I've noticed with dpreview that the rating system is fairly predictable. If the camera is a dSLR from Nikon or Canon it will get a 'Highly Recommended' |
It's hard to imagine Canon or Nikon actually bringing to market a dSLR that was so poorly thought-out that it did not come "highly recommended". They're too on top of their game for that. It would be like Porsche producing a sports car that didn't pass muster with enthusiasts. They actually did that once (the 914 with the 4-cylinder) and it was almost the end of them :-)
My dealer has a 30D in stock now. It's sweet...
Robt.
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04/04/2006 11:12:59 AM · #8 |
Recently, there has been a spate of P&S cameras that have sensors that are simply TOO SMALL for their own good. Physical dimensions have been brought down to a level where it is actually impossible to get a really good picture at anything other than really good light levels. Noise levels get out of control, then noise reduction has to match it. This is a vicious circle because NR usually munches most of the good information in the picture.
There's a reason that they usually give P&S cam's lower ratings. They make producing quality pictures far more difficult by making the hardware far less versatile.
That's not saying that higher quality pictures can't be made with them, it's just that they are much, much less versatile.
I'm a P&S user and I appreciate what I can do with it, but they do have a point.
I put in a request a few days ago with a girl I know who works at the Canon factory in TaiZhong to start working on details of purchasing the 30D direct. I'll see what kind of pricing she can come up with. I'm not sure that it will be available for a while yet.
You'd be surprised how bad of a deal those workers get on new cameras :(. It's usually only a good price for early adopters. The good news for them is that when they finish their contract, they are given an EOS series film camera. I think they might get one every year after a certain point too as the girl I know has sold a few of her friends film cameras that aren't what she said she would get when she finished. (3000V and something else I forget)
Message edited by author 2006-04-04 11:16:49. |
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04/04/2006 11:43:33 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by jhonan:
I've noticed with dpreview that the rating system is fairly predictable. If the camera is a dSLR from Nikon or Canon it will get a 'Highly Recommended' |
It's hard to imagine Canon or Nikon actually bringing to market a dSLR that was so poorly thought-out that it did not come "highly recommended". They're too on top of their game for that. It would be like Porsche producing a sports car that didn't pass muster with enthusiasts. They actually did that once (the 914 with the 4-cylinder) and it was almost the end of them :-)
My dealer has a 30D in stock now. It's sweet...
Robt. |
I'm still drooling over the D200, but that switch would be a major undertaking.
As for the Porsche 914, those are really fun to drive, especially if you put a much bigger motor in them, like a Chevy 350 V8. Had Porsche released it with a V8, then that really would have been something.
Message edited by author 2006-04-04 11:48:26.
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04/04/2006 11:53:39 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by jhonan:
I've noticed with dpreview that the rating system is fairly predictable. If the camera is a dSLR from Nikon or Canon it will get a 'Highly Recommended'
If it's a P&S it will get a maximum of 'Recommnended' or 'Above Average'
I suppose that's what happens when you try to compare high-ISO outputs from P&S against a dSLR. The most the P&S could hope for is 'Recommended' |
There are PLENTY of P & S reviews that conclude with a 'Highly Recommended" at Dpreview...when I got my Canon S45 it had that rating as do several of the Canon "higher end" point and shoots...if the camera is worthy of this recommendation, no matter who makes it, it will get "highly reccomended"... be it a point & shoot or DSLR.
anyway...
My Dad just got his 30D and it is soooooooooo nice...I especially LOVE the big LCD...so much nicer than my 350XT's dinky little LCD...and I am completely envious of the spot meter. |
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04/04/2006 12:14:27 PM · #11 |
| I wonder how many of the new features which the 30D has are 100% purely firmware, i.e they could run on the 20D if Canon wanted to implement them within a 20D firmware upgrade? |
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04/04/2006 12:26:01 PM · #12 |
Pretty sure that the 2.5 inch LCD isn't firmware...
Honestly, I'm more going for the 20D, but will take the 30D if the price is sane. Ok I mean if the price is really good.
That $1154 price at dell looked pretty good, but I'm going to wait for a month or two to let things calm down and for those initial buyer oriented markups to come down a bit.
If I find a 20D new for $750 US, I'll buy it on the spot. |
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04/04/2006 12:26:51 PM · #13 |
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04/04/2006 01:01:46 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by eschelar:
That $1154 price at dell looked pretty good, but I'm going to wait for a month or two to let things calm down |
Don't. I jumped on a similar deal last year for the 350D, and I never saw a lower price after that. I sold the camera on eBay 9 months later for considerably more than I paid for it. |
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04/04/2006 01:19:00 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by Nigel:
I wonder how many of the new features which the 30D has are 100% purely firmware, i.e they could run on the 20D if Canon wanted to implement them within a 20D firmware upgrade? |
The only really worthy upgrades are the spot meter and the LCD. The spot meter alone is enough to push me into the upgrade that I couldn't justify on the 20D. |
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04/04/2006 01:39:58 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by RKT:
There are PLENTY of P & S reviews that conclude with a 'Highly Recommended" at Dpreview... |
Okay, I've looked at the numbers now. Taking all the reviews from Jan 2005 to date (total of 51 reviews), it breaks down as follows;
- Of all the P&S reviews, 18% scored 'Highly Recommended'
- Of all the SLR reviews, 75% scored 'Highly Recommended'
Looking at it by manufacturer, the number of 'Highly Recommended' awards breaks down as;
Canon 54%
Nikon 50%
Sony 50%
KM 33%
Olympus 14%
Panasonic 14%
Fujifilm 0%
Kodak 0%
Casio 0%
Pentax 0%
For example, of all Canon cameras reviewed, 54% scored 'Highly Recommended'
And finally, for just SLR cameras, the 'Highly Recommended' rating by manufacturer looks like this;
Canon 100%
Nikon 100%
KM 100%
Olympus 33%
Pentax 0%
My main point is that P&S reviews are based on the same standards and expectations as dSLR reviews, something they can't currently match. |
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04/04/2006 11:03:20 PM · #17 |
I think personally that it has more to do with the HUGE number of really mediocre/crummy cameras being put out there. Canon and Nikon tend to have a lot more overall and also have the technology to keep their standards higher easier.
My opinions are that much fewer P&S cameras should really get the Highly Recommended tag. It should have good control and good image quality. Plenty of cameras out there can make good images, but fall on their faces for control. |
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04/06/2006 10:28:55 AM · #18 |
Booyah! Just checked Camera alley downtown Taipei. Some stores still don't have the 30D, but about 2/3 do.
Price appears to have been standardized as there is no grey market product available yet.
$1285 US equivalent, no tax.
Yum. I came pretty close to buying one on the spot, but it is wiser to wait until I actually have the cash.
In a month, the price may have dropped. It would be really cool to see grey market cams for $1100 or so.
Whee! |
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