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03/31/2006 12:46:54 PM · #1
OK, I think I'm going to finally break down and buy some Bees.... The questions is 1, 2, 400W, 800W, etc etc etc.... Should I buy a package? I've heard that the stands that they sell are pretty rickety and you can get better stands for cheaper... what about umbrellas... softboxes.... ARGH!!!!!

SO, the FIRST obvious question is... what the heck are you going to be doing with them? Well, I want to do some portrait photography, but will concentrate mostly on fine art work, figure studies, etc. Until I can complete my studio, I'm limited to working from my home... I have a room (approx. 12x14) that I can use for a dedicated studio, but I also have a large sunroom (approx. 20 x 30) that I can also use when I need to "stretch out"... I'm thinking that due to the nature of photography I want to do, I can probably get by with 2 400W Bees, but I'm not sure.... Should I also get a 550 or 580 flash for my camera, or can I rely on the sync cord and just use the bees (filling with on-board flash if need be)?

OK pro's... show your stuff, I need lots o' advice before going shopping.

Thanks in advance! :-)
03/31/2006 02:32:22 PM · #2
Ba-da-bumpity-bump ;-)
03/31/2006 04:27:19 PM · #3
Hellooo???
03/31/2006 04:41:41 PM · #4
I was actually wondering the same kind of thing... hopefully someone will answer.
03/31/2006 05:12:04 PM · #5
here in Iceland most of us use Bowens studiolights, the esprit kit is just what you need to start :)

Bowens esprit

Bowens are known for quality and durability, I know of a few studios using Bowens since 1965 and they still work like new :)
03/31/2006 05:22:14 PM · #6
Originally posted by Palmetto_Pixels:


OK pro's... show your stuff, I need lots o' advice before going shopping.
Thanks in advance! :-)


I am definitely not a pro, but I'll tell you what I can until the real pros get here...

I can relate to your quandry! I went through the same thing last fall and ended up buying AB lights (2/400 and 1/800) plus stands, umbrellas and a brolly box, gel filters, a grid and maybe one or two other pieces of miscellany. I was advised not to try and use them with onboard flash, and I think that is the opinion of most. Using the three light setup has been very easy to learn, at least as far as grasping the basics.

I bought the stands from AB and have been satisfied, although I do see where there might be others that are less tipsy. For simplicity sake I would do the same all over again, but you might choose otherwise.

Probably would not buy the gels again as I have gotten very little use from them and even then the results were disappointing. Hopefully that will change eventually.

Some other things to consider will be backgrounds and a light meter. You will also need a hot-shoe connector terminal for your 350-D. Good luck with your lights.

Ray
03/31/2006 05:31:07 PM · #7
Originally posted by nova:


You will also need a hot-shoe connector terminal for your 350-D.

Ray


Or hot-shoe mounted wireless triggers. Really those are the way to go, if you don't like to have cords hanging off your camera.


03/31/2006 07:55:19 PM · #8
Thanks Ray... that's exactly the kind of advice I needed... anyone else care to chime in?

edit to add...
Oh... and thanks to you too Leroy. ;-)

Message edited by author 2006-03-31 19:57:52.
03/31/2006 09:39:09 PM · #9
I have four B400s, two medium octaboxes, three heavy-duty stands with boom arms, one backlight stand, a shovel reflector, honeycomb grids, and wireless remotes for all the lights. If you ask me, it's all good stuff. You get a lot of nice features with ABs that you don't get from a lot of the big name manufacturers, for a lot less money too.

If you want to use softboxes then I recommend the heavy-duty stand with boom arm. They work great and they give you much greater control over the placement of the light. I've never seen their lightweight stands so I can't comment on them.


03/31/2006 11:42:21 PM · #10
OPen the wallet and get a pocket wizard plus trigger, 3 norman ML400R and 2 umbrellas like this - you can shoot thru or not - flatter than the cheap ones and that give less hot spots.

Stands - amvona.com (via their ebay sales) - heavy duty stands.

a sekonic L358 meter with radio trigger.

that's a start...4 or 5 lights are better...but then i could go on...

Abs are fine, 400WS is fine. Check out the Paterson Stellar 300WS kit at b&h - less cost than AB400s and actually put out more light. the softboxes are nice, the umbrellas kind of cheap - see above. Once you've used radio triggering, you WANT it, NEED it, and will eventuall spend for it. Even ONE trgger is good - the rest can slve optically, but it keeps you from carrying around that damnedable cable.

Unique was a vendor at school this week and supplied

these lights and at the end sold them off at some cost figure - $579. Man oh man, i wanted one! $579 for a ML600R!
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