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03/30/2006 02:22:49 PM · #51 |
Originally posted by The Resplendent Snippycat in Comments:
How did you do this without spot editing? |
I wonder if this sort of question may have provoked some voters to vote low?
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03/30/2006 02:39:56 PM · #52 |
Originally posted by kdkaboom:
well like she's said, it's not about the scoring.
it's about those commenters that don't take the time to think. |
Unless one has access to the weblogs which record the time differential between the commenter loading the image page and posting their comment/vote, one has absolutely no way to know how much time the commenter spent looking at and thinking about the photo; to characterize it as "thoughtless" has no basis in anything other than the reader's state of disagreement with it.
In fact, that clear, concise opinion may have been the condensed result of a considerable amount of thought:
I have made this [letter] longer, because I have not had the time to make it shorter.
--Blaise Pascal (1623 - 1662)
Message edited by author 2006-03-30 14:50:48. |
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03/30/2006 03:15:54 PM · #53 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
I have made this [letter] longer, because I have not had the time to make it shorter.
--Blaise Pascal (1623 - 1662) |
Dang, that's another of my all-time favorite quotes...
R.
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03/30/2006 03:22:45 PM · #54 |
| That's one Frenchman who had quite a few sensible quotes. |
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03/30/2006 03:27:22 PM · #55 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
That's one Frenchman who had quite a few sensible quotes. |
Another Frenchman with a few to his credit would be Rene Descartes:
"An optimist may see a light where there is none, but why must the pessimist always run to blow it out?"
"If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is necessary that at least once in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all things."
"Whenever anyone has offended me, I try to raise my soul so high that the offense cannot reach it."
Robt.
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03/30/2006 03:29:15 PM · #56 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by The Resplendent Snippycat in Comments:
How did you do this without spot editing? |
I wonder if this sort of question may have provoked some voters to vote low? |
Can you see the comments before the voting ends? I didnt think there was a way to see other people's comments until the challenge closed... |
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03/30/2006 03:34:31 PM · #57 |
Originally posted by CzechMan:
Can you see the comments before the voting ends? I didnt think there was a way to see other people's comments until the challenge closed... |
Sure you can. Click on your own entry in the vertical panel on the left and see all comments made in real time.
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03/30/2006 03:37:41 PM · #58 |
Originally posted by CzechMan:
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by The Resplendent Snippycat in Comments:
How did you do this without spot editing? |
I wonder if this sort of question may have provoked some voters to vote low? |
Can you see the comments before the voting ends? I didnt think there was a way to see other people's comments until the challenge closed... |
I don't think he meant that seeing the comment written (which no, you can't) caused other people to vote low but that others may have had similar thoughts. |
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03/30/2006 03:37:59 PM · #59 |
Hey, thanks for the tip! I am learning something new every day. :-)
Edited: Thanks MK! I think you are right.
Message edited by author 2006-03-30 15:41:14. |
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03/30/2006 03:41:35 PM · #60 |
Originally posted by mk:
Originally posted by CzechMan:
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by The Resplendent Snippycat in Comments:
How did you do this without spot editing? |
I wonder if this sort of question may have provoked some voters to vote low? |
Can you see the comments before the voting ends? I didnt think there was a way to see other people's comments until the challenge closed... |
I don't think he meant that seeing the comment written (which no, you can't) caused other people to vote low but that others may have had similar thoughts. |
Well, it's definitely true you can't see the comments on OTHER peoples' images until the voting ends, if in fact that's what he meant :-)
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03/30/2006 03:44:15 PM · #61 |
Originally posted by mk:
Originally posted by CzechMan:
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by The Resplendent Snippycat in Comments:
How did you do this without spot editing? |
I wonder if this sort of question may have provoked some voters to vote low? |
Can you see the comments before the voting ends? I didnt think there was a way to see other people's comments until the challenge closed... |
I don't think he meant that seeing the comment written (which no, you can't) caused other people to vote low but that others may have had similar thoughts. |
Yes, that's what I meant. :-) I can see that others might have though that selective desat might be spot editted.
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03/31/2006 01:46:46 AM · #62 |
With all due respect, Misters Bernard and Keiran, the "Master" prefix was accorded to you not in patronization but in playful jest, a move I often accord to people I respect to show there's no hostility in my part and I have "taken it easy". Thank you Bernard for not readily taking it as an insult.
Now to once again launch aggression, Keiran, on something you have misunderstood, in my opinion, is definitely uncalled for. You may not liked being called that "label", and for that I apologize, but please don't accuse me of being disrespecting you or anybody as I do not wish do be disrespected myself. However, as with your previous response, I acknowledge this one. I believe I have answered most of what you have said, if only you'd take your time and read them. As you obviously have put more than a bit of thought in your responses, I respect them and give you credit for them. We obviously do not share the same opinions, nor understanding, as to what the both of us have been trying to say. Please do not insult my intelligence as I have no desire in insulting yours. You gain no enmity from me and I appreciate having to hear from an opposite point of view, pardon the non sequitur.
I also apologize if I did come off as bickering and sour-graping and there may be one or two or more statements that I have not put as much thought on as others. I also apologize for that. I do not, and will not, however, apologize for taking my stand on the premise that people should think before they comment. If those two words I received happened to be well thought of, then I apologize for misunderstanding. But as I have stated earlier, this isn't just about me or mine anymore. It's about what I have observed while lurking in and around DPC.
I guess I did expect too much.
However, now that I'm aware of it, I shall now not expect too much thought from the comments I'll be getting and will be appreciating each and every one of them, good and bad. At least I'm getting comments, right? And if there should be even at least one comment that is constructive, then I shall consider my day made and will try to accord to that commenter my utmost gratitude, as I really do hope to improve on my craft and such a comment will be very helpful for me.
To the positive comments and to the commenters behind them, thank you. Please do not think that your responses were ignored, only that the others required clarifications and opinions.
I shall not stop shooting photos such as these for I honestly like shooting them. However, negative responses to such photos will not be met with "spite".
With this post I am ending my participation in this thread, as I see no point in continuing to share my thoughts on something I now have lost faith in -- only to be barraged with hostility and aggression.
P.S. Pardon the syntax as I am trying to be as formal as possible so as not to offend other people who might misundersand what I would've stated otherwise. Please do not read it as sarcasm or whatever.
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03/31/2006 02:23:40 AM · #63 |
Oh yeah, final final note:
You rock, Cheeseman.
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03/31/2006 02:28:17 AM · #64 |
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Some shots get hosed out of a better score because there is some extra meaning that isn't immediately apparent to voters in the picture alone.
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Why does there always have to be some hidden meaning in everything?Photos posted here are like the challenge descriptions. People feel they have to be dissected to find the hidden meaning that's deep inside the twisted wording. Like Yellow.
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03/31/2006 10:25:36 AM · #65 |
Originally posted by eschelar:
Please don't patronize me with this childish label "master keiran".
You got a comment that said "bad taste". You were bothered by it.
It wasn't enough information for you to understand the issue. You feel that the person who made this comment didn't put enough thought into the voting/commenting process to have a valid point with such a comment. Therefore, you felt that the comment was not helpful.
Others responded and you debated. You missed the point.
I responded in greater detail.
The point is that bad taste is bad taste and some people are going to feel that way no matter what. This point has been made by others.
You didn't think you could learn from it and I showed you how you could learn from it.
You felt that the picture was something that required more thought to truly appreciate.
I showed you that I put quite a bit of thought into it. I examined it from at least a couple of other different viewpoints. I told you my conclusion.
You got a little and asked for more. I gave you more. Don't disrespect me for that. |
Originally posted by B&W:
Now to once again launch aggression, Keiran, on something you have misunderstood, in my opinion, is definitely uncalled for. You may not liked being called that "label", and for that I apologize, but please don't accuse me of being disrespecting you or anybody as I do not wish do be disrespected myself. However, as with your previous response, I acknowledge this one. I believe I have answered most of what you have said, if only you'd take your time and read them. As you obviously have put more than a bit of thought in your responses, I respect them and give you credit for them. We obviously do not share the same opinions, nor understanding, as to what the both of us have been trying to say. Please do not insult my intelligence as I have no desire in insulting yours. You gain no enmity from me and I appreciate having to hear from an opposite point of view, pardon the non sequitur.
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Ok, so you are correct that I did not understand that you were not using this label of "Master" as a term of respect. Certainly in most cultures this is a hyperbolic use of respect and is usually used currently to 'patronize' or put forth an excessive show of respect that is not actually held.
I was not the only one to pick up on this.
You might want to consider how you use this in your interactions with others as even in Asian cultures such as you are originally from (I have quite a large number of Pinoy friends and dated a Filipina for a while), this label is seldom used to portray actual respect when people do not know each other well.
I quoted my original response to the term and I would like you consider please which part of this you feel is "launching into aggression"?
I have been wording my responses to you much more plainly and in some ways more strongly than I usually do, but I feel this is appropriate because of the tone that you opened this thread with and the tone which you carried on with in the middle.
I am able to look past this and take a step back to what you MAY have hoped would have come from this post, namely talking about the picture itself, but before I do so, may I perhaps offer some suggestions as to a slightly different process that might not get so much conflict in your next thread?
#1 Receive dissatisfactory comment (you have a right to be dissatisfied with any and all comments you receive for any reasons)
#2 PM said individual CALMLY, thanking them for taking the time to comment and remembering that people are busy, so a comment probably indicates that they felt more strongly about your photo. Ask for more clarification of their thought process so you can learn better, trying hard to avoid telling them to "shove their opinions up their asses".
#3A - If no response arrives, move on. Think whatever you like about that person. If it must be that they just wrote something negative down because they were offended and they didn't consider anything else, well hey, it happens. A fair bit.
#3B - If a negative response arrives, well, I'm sure you know how to handle that. It might also indicate to you whether or not said individual put any ACTUAL thought into their comment. If they didn't, how much is their comment worth to you?
#3C - If a positive response arrives, count yourself lucky. I try to respond in some way to all comments I receive and I get feedback on a fairly lower percentage.
#4 If you still don't have enough information to learn or feel that a worthy topic has been considered/discussed adequately for the merit of a photograph, start a thread about the photograph. Again, remember that you are asking for people's opinions. Telling them that you don't care about their opinions in the same breath is somewhat conflicted. We all have different things we bring to the table. Not everyone is a highly experienced technical master like Bear_music, Fotomann_4VR and Zeuszen.
#5 When posting a thread about a photograph, please make sure that you provide some further information about the picture itself and why you feel it merits further consideration. With just the picture, you are likely to get very little beyond what you got in the challenge. You are the best equipped person to get the ball rolling here. If there's something that looks like we don't understand, enlighten us. Also, there's a difference between opening up a discussion on a photograph and opening a debate. There's a great example of a discussion on a photograph currently making the rounds that was started by Bear_music. Not everyone agreed with his opinion there, but it has remained a discussion.
So if you would like to talk about your photograph, then let's get on it.
Originally posted by B&W:
Now, regarding on which part of his arm, or hand He was nailed, yes, I also know of this. I've read on it on my high school theology class. I also believe that the nail was hammered at that part near the wrist where medical people check for a pulse as it (hammering the nail there) serves a double purpuse.
However as popular culture depicts (and as the challenge dictates, J/K) the nails were on the palms, not on the wrist. This is also how He's depicted where I come from, which was a country predominantly populated by Christians.
So now, considering a person WAS from HERE (where I come from) and he/she was suffering from the said psychosis, wuoldn't you think that he/she WOULD THINK that the nail was supposed to go THROUGH the palms instead of the wrists? |
This is a good point and while I did grasp that this was about a mental illness, or perhaps more accurately a difference in perception (people could and do have this POV without being mentally ill by most definitions), most of my experience with people that lean towards this slant (I've got a little more experience with the mentally ill than I wish I had) pushes me more towards the view that they would be more obsessive about details. On the other hand, that's a very personalized set of experiences that might not be relevant to others and indeed may not be at all relevant to a photograph depicting a group of people with a single person.
So leaving the markings on the palm of the hand as they are, what could make this picture more potent or complete?
I would have preferred some other complementary context in the picture, something else to counterpoint the hand other than the eye. I felt very strongly when I saw the picture that it was more of a "there is" statement than anything more deep. That was my biggest real issue with the picture.
There doesn't seem to be any additional emotion. There is no conflict being shown.
That's where your picture lost me as a viewer. What do you think about this issue? Is there something else I'm missing? |
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03/31/2006 10:16:15 PM · #66 |
Originally posted by blackenedwhite:
With all due respect, Misters Bernard and Keiran, the "Master" prefix was accorded to you not in patronization but in playful jest, a move I often accord to people I respect to show there's no hostility in my part and I have "taken it easy". Thank you Bernard for not readily taking it as an insult.
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No problem, thanks for the explanation.
Peace to ya :) |
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