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03/28/2006 07:57:53 AM · #26 |
Mmmmmmmmm, Hambuuuurgers,..
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
The same exact "punishment" he placed on the dog. He should be forced to run barefoot behind a moving car til his feet are the equivalent of hamburger meat. |
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03/28/2006 08:34:19 AM · #27 |
Some years ago, Eleanor Roosevelt was instrumental in working together something called the Charter of Human Rights and Freedoms. (or something like that :)
It has become a keystone document in many nation's ways of dealing with the issue of human rights.
The part that I always come back to is the part that says that when a Human infringes upon the basic rights and freedoms of another Human, then he forfeits his own right to these freedoms.
Modern Western culture has softened this to extend freedoms to all, regardless of what they have done in many cases and watered down the idea of punishment. So it's really hard for people to have a balanced view of an issue where balance doesn't exist.
It is interesting that if a Human infinges upon what we inherently feel are some basic rights of animals, we naturally return the idea that said Human forfeits his right to the abused rights.
It gets complicated in practical application, but it sure sucks that people run around abusing rules like this.
I'm personally of the opinion that there are some people who really aren't worth more than the price of a bullet. In ancient times, these people were left to the stray dogs to eat as food. They didn't even waste the time on burial or burning. Why should they?
On the other hand, a sensible point of view is that to inflict pain as a punishment can only serve one truly useful purpose. That is to prevent recurrence. If a person isn't likely to learn from this, then the painful punishment is left as a deterrent to others.
Guys who behave like this sadly are seldom aware of any sort of consequence for their actions.
It's often said that one can measure the level of civilization by the way a culture treats their animals. I don't entirely agree, but it would be nice to see less of this.
Having said that, I'm not above a little enjoyment of a good snap crackle and pop of a burnin' mosquito and when two of the rats that live in my ceiling (GRRRRR) were fighting and they both accidentally fell off the roof, 5 stories down, I just about stood up and cheered. Ok, I actually did stand up and cheer. :)
What I do find sad are cases like what Marcel reports where Animals are treated better than humans. Indeed, it's not such a grand stretch for me either.
In Canada, there was a teenage girl (it was around 10 years ago, so I'm unsure, but I think she was 15 - my mother knew the family and has since gotten closer to them, having helped them out with further, even more bizarre and unpleasant trials) who was beaten, arms and legs broken, cigarettes put out in her flesh, stripped, humiliated, then thrown into a river to drown (unable to swim with the broken limbs) by several members of a gang she had recently left in an attempt to clean up her life. The teenage girls who perpretrated the atrocity were detained on the "catch and release" program and most served 3-6 months for their roles. The ringleaders spent 1.5 years and 2 years in jail (having been tried as adults) and have been walking the streets since.
Yay! Our world rocks!
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03/28/2006 09:02:13 AM · #28 |
Hmmm, interesting post. It reminds me of a situation when I used to commute to the city (London) when I was younger. I remember one lunchtime I was sitting outside Liverpool Street station doing my favourite lunchtime hobby of people watching. Anyway I observed this group of people feeding what looked like a pigeon with a broken leg, saying the usual stuff like "Awww, bless it" etc etc.. However I found it rather ironic that sitting about 10 feet away was a beggar who these people just turned their noses up at. I did laugh at the irony of it as I tucked into my Big Mac with large fries.
Originally posted by eschelar:
Some years ago, Eleanor Roosevelt was instrumental in working together something called the Charter of Human Rights and Freedoms. (or something like that :)
It has become a keystone document in many nation's ways of dealing with the issue of human rights.
The part that I always come back to is the part that says that when a Human infringes upon the basic rights and freedoms of another Human, then he forfeits his own right to these freedoms.
Modern Western culture has softened this to extend freedoms to all, regardless of what they have done in many cases and watered down the idea of punishment. So it's really hard for people to have a balanced view of an issue where balance doesn't exist.
It is interesting that if a Human infinges upon what we inherently feel are some basic rights of animals, we naturally return the idea that said Human forfeits his right to the abused rights.
It gets complicated in practical application, but it sure sucks that people run around abusing rules like this.
I'm personally of the opinion that there are some people who really aren't worth more than the price of a bullet. In ancient times, these people were left to the stray dogs to eat as food. They didn't even waste the time on burial or burning. Why should they?
On the other hand, a sensible point of view is that to inflict pain as a punishment can only serve one truly useful purpose. That is to prevent recurrence. If a person isn't likely to learn from this, then the painful punishment is left as a deterrent to others.
Guys who behave like this sadly are seldom aware of any sort of consequence for their actions.
It's often said that one can measure the level of civilization by the way a culture treats their animals. I don't entirely agree, but it would be nice to see less of this.
Having said that, I'm not above a little enjoyment of a good snap crackle and pop of a burnin' mosquito and when two of the rats that live in my ceiling (GRRRRR) were fighting and they both accidentally fell off the roof, 5 stories down, I just about stood up and cheered. Ok, I actually did stand up and cheer. :)
What I do find sad are cases like what Marcel reports where Animals are treated better than humans. Indeed, it's not such a grand stretch for me either.
In Canada, there was a teenage girl (it was around 10 years ago, so I'm unsure, but I think she was 15 - my mother knew the family and has since gotten closer to them, having helped them out with further, even more bizarre and unpleasant trials) who was beaten, arms and legs broken, cigarettes put out in her flesh, stripped, humiliated, then thrown into a river to drown (unable to swim with the broken limbs) by several members of a gang she had recently left in an attempt to clean up her life. The teenage girls who perpretrated the atrocity were detained on the "catch and release" program and most served 3-6 months for their roles. The ringleaders spent 1.5 years and 2 years in jail (having been tried as adults) and have been walking the streets since.
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03/28/2006 09:12:26 AM · #29 |
Our animals all get fed,watered,and their stall, brooder, etc...cleaned before I even eat breakfast. But I know that sometimes city dwellers have a different opinion on what consists of "cruelty to animals" than country folk or dairy farmers do. A lot of people would be outraged that we have barn cats, and that we don't yank their claws out and keep them indoors to get fat and lazy. Somebody on this site actually sent me some PETA-type info when they saw a photo of our happy hunting cat...c'mon now! I would counter that busy, hard-working people who care for real animals on a daily basis don't have time for a lot of naked protesting.
Somebody in our area called the authorities on a farmer who had his horses outside. The idiot caller claimed they were in manure and was stupid enough to go feed them midday. What actually happened is that it was normal spring-time mud (horses love to roll in mud), and this well-meaning moron could have SERIOUSLY harmed the horses by feeding them at a different time of day & giving them different feed than they were used to! The farmer was cleared of any charges.
(I just looked out the window, and our white pony that I just curried this morning is now brown from her lovely roll.)
I find it ironic that a lot of these Animal Rescue folks dress their pets up in costumes for Halloween and have silly parties. Have you ever seen the humiliated looks on these dogs' faces when they are wearing Superman costumes? Talk about "cruel". Whose ego is that for?
And if you want to declaw your cat so it doesn't tear up your furniture, I wouldn't so much bash you as to suggest that you are doing that more for your OWN good than for what would make the cat happiest.
We just surfed some shelter sites the other day. Now, most of our cats were strays that we sheltered and fed. We had a shepherd from a shelter, too. But nowadays, they have all these crazy rules about adopting a pet! You have to go fill out an application, pay up to $300 for a special needs animal (with potential pricey surgeries), and then they even do a HOME VISIT! That's ridiculous. We have a clean home and healthy animals, but I'll go to a pet store before I have these over-zealous people telling me what to do. If they were serious about finding homes for these animals, they would make it easier for the average person to adopt them. (BTW...the shepherd we adopted came to us with kennel cough and also suffered from an incurable skin affliction before he died. Our local animal shelter just had a Parvo outbreak.)
Our border collie is happiest when he's diving in the river, herding the four-wheeler, or jumping in the mud and getting all covered in burrs. Most of the time he doesn't look like the purebred he is, and I imagine some uppity dog show snob would be in total shock to see him!
It's one thing to be irate about a crime against animals that really did cause physical harm, but sometimes people stick their noses in something they really know NOTHING about.
I also get ticked when I see a headline about alleged animal abuse and all these do-gooders...and then a story of a human murder gets page two of the paper. Nice priorities.
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03/28/2006 12:12:29 PM · #30 |
The story of the dragged-dog who Marcel spoke about has a delightful ending.
Flikka as the SPCA staff named him, previously known as Lamina before he was dragged (behind a car) was adopted by the family Anagnostopoulos who has christened him Romulus, after the founder of Rome.
A grand name IMO. :}
The Anagnostopoulos family was chosen out of hundreds of possible
owners who applied to the SPCA.
I too have a rescued dog and love her to bits. We all do. I hope she lives forever.
Believing that everything happens exactly when it should, Romulus will now have a splendid rest of his life, as reward for his suffering, most probably over a long period.
Otherwise he could still be stuck in his nightmare.
Go boy Go, run like the wind!
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03/28/2006 01:01:02 PM · #31 |
| Wow, I just read this article in todays paper and it absolutely made me sick. The guy hasn't even been charged for the crime. I know the EXACT part I would like to cut off....'bobbitize' with a dull knife, thats what he needs. |
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03/28/2006 01:06:02 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by AzCKelly:
Wow, I just read this article in todays paper and it absolutely made me sick. The guy hasn't even been charged for the crime. I know the EXACT part I would like to cut off....'bobbitize' with a dull knife, thats what he needs. |
Ugh. Then you could hang THAT from YOUR belt. ;)
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03/28/2006 01:08:51 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by joycobb:
Originally posted by AzCKelly:
Wow, I just read this article in todays paper and it absolutely made me sick. The guy hasn't even been charged for the crime. I know the EXACT part I would like to cut off....'bobbitize' with a dull knife, thats what he needs. |
Ugh. Then you could hang THAT from YOUR belt. ;) |
Or MAKE HIM wear it on HIS belt!
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03/28/2006 01:24:33 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by joycobb:
And if you want to declaw your cat so it doesn't tear up your furniture, I wouldn't so much bash you as to suggest that you are doing that more for your OWN good than for what would make the cat happiest. |
Most people who argue for the declawing of cats are not so much concerned for the welfare of the cats as for the wildlife that are decimated by hunting cats. Cats are responsible for putting more crittes on the brink of extinction than any other single animal ( except us humans of course) A de clawed cat is still a pretty efficient hunter, but without claws it is less successfull. I live on the urban-widland fringe and when dogs roamed the area a few years a go we had very few cats at large, we also had red fox, racoons, newts ect. since the area has gone to the cats, they are the predator kings and the fox are not able to compete, the hawks have less to eat, ect. Declawing, or better yet just keeping them inside gives the other predators a chance to keep thier numbers above the extinction line. \
Of course a ranch is by its nature an artificial environment and you need the cats armed and hungry to keep down the rodent population that thrives on the horse feed, but those who let kitty play in nature are doing thier part to moving silent spring a bit closer.
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03/28/2006 01:54:48 PM · #35 |
| I had something similiar to this happen to me. I had a chocolate lab, and the lab was friends with another lab from down the street. The other lab would come visit often, and it made the owners of the other lab very angry. They would come down to our house, put a leash on their dog, and then tie the leash to the back of their truck and drag the dog back down the road with it yelping and barking while it was sliding on its stomach. Then when it would come back down to our house, we would see that the pads on its feed were worn down and raw, and patches from its stomach were bare and bloody. I decided the present owners of the dog weren't fit to own anything, much less an animal that needed caring for. So one day I loaded up the dog in my truck and took it about 45 miles away and gave it to a family with a lot of kids that were looking for a dog. I don't think I was wrong for stealing their pet, but I'm sure people would think so. |
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03/28/2006 02:11:23 PM · #36 |
Zoos are cruel by their very nature. This just highlights it.
I'm amazed that people on this site, who have seen the way DPCers vote on photos, would trust a judge and a 12-person jury to decide if someone deserves to die. |
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03/28/2006 02:19:04 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by ibkc:
So one day I loaded up the dog in my truck and took it about 45 miles away and gave it to a family with a lot of kids that were looking for a dog. I don't think I was wrong for stealing their pet, but I'm sure people would think so. |
I don't blame you one bit.
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03/28/2006 02:24:40 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by ibkc:
So one day I loaded up the dog in my truck and took it about 45 miles away and gave it to a family with a lot of kids that were looking for a dog. I don't think I was wrong for stealing their pet, but I'm sure people would think so. |
I don't blame you one bit. |
I would have done the same thing!! |
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03/28/2006 03:06:36 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by ibkc:
I don't think I was wrong for stealing their pet, but I'm sure people would think so. |
What people would think so? I want names. I intend to ignore all their posts on DNMC threads from now on. |
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03/28/2006 03:37:50 PM · #40 |
I used to work for a pet store that would mistreat animals. We used to have a Quarantine room called "The Love Room". It was all prettied up and that is where animals would go to get treated for injuries and illness. After the store had been open a few months, the store manger saw the costs of what we took off the shelves to care for the animals. Now, keep in mind, this is a pretty big company and they have stores all over the US.
Anyways, he decided that it would be more "costly" to rid of the very ill animals. I sat back and watched the horror for a month or so... they would do horrible horrible things to the animals. I don't want to get too graphic.
But one day I took 2 male cockatiels back because they had got in a fight and messed eachother real bad. First of, the only cages we had back there were parakeet cages. So, they got put into 2 different cages. So, my next day I come into work and find that one has no wing left. Here, some asshat put the cages next to eachother and the one ripped the others wing off through the cage. Ugh. So, I went to go call a vet for help... I was going to pay to get it help and take it home. All of a sudden I hear this horrible cackling through the whole store and I go back and the one guy (who usually did "the deed") was looking at me in tears saying, "It won't die!" he kept trying to break it's neck and it wouldn't work! I freaked out and had to leave work.
The next day I came back and took a poor little sick rabbit from a little girl. I said that we would get it help and return it to her. Stupid move! I had off the next day. And when I went to work to check on the bunny, it was gone! I asked where it was and one girl told me that they drowned it and out it in the freezer to send back to the company for money!! I was livid! We hatched a plan to get the bunny out of the freezer and to the authorities! The big wigs were in that day, so I had the girl put in the trash and take the trash out.... then throw it over the fence and I came by, and picked it up.
I took it to the Humane Soc. and they ran tests on it. I was away for the weekend and when I got, the manager got in my face and asked me what the hell was going on. He was ready to fire to me. I got out of it, when a phone call came in that the store was under investigation for animal abuse. Phew! Sadly, because the bunny was frozen, they couldn't prove if it was water or phlem in it's lungs. Damn! A day late! But, there were enough anonymous tips from other employees to get them in there. They were given a BIG fine and the manager and a few others were fired on the spot. It felt good to see him go down! Before they came in, he held a store meeting and asked who did it. Everyone knew it was me, but no one said a word. I just sat there and smiled inside, watching him wriggle! It was great!
It was a great feeling to stop that asshole from hurting anymore animals in our store. Sadly, he is probably doing it elsewhere. but.
I just hate people who think they are bigger and better than animals. I hate that people think animals owe us something.... in all reality, don't we owe them?
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03/28/2006 03:45:44 PM · #41 |
| I commend you Lorrie on your ability to fight back. Would you please PM me with the store's name, as I dont want to do business with such a company. |
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03/28/2006 04:12:00 PM · #42 |
I would also love to be PM'd with their name.
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03/28/2006 04:59:19 PM · #43 |
Good for you for having the chutzpah to do the right thing!
Originally posted by ibkc:
I had something similiar to this happen to me. I had a chocolate lab, and the lab was friends with another lab from down the street. The other lab would come visit often, and it made the owners of the other lab very angry. They would come down to our house, put a leash on their dog, and then tie the leash to the back of their truck and drag the dog back down the road with it yelping and barking while it was sliding on its stomach. Then when it would come back down to our house, we would see that the pads on its feed were worn down and raw, and patches from its stomach were bare and bloody. I decided the present owners of the dog weren't fit to own anything, much less an animal that needed caring for. So one day I loaded up the dog in my truck and took it about 45 miles away and gave it to a family with a lot of kids that were looking for a dog. I don't think I was wrong for stealing their pet, but I'm sure people would think so. |
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03/28/2006 07:22:02 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by CzechMan:
I commend you Lorrie on your ability to fight back. Would you please PM me with the store's name, as I dont want to do business with such a company. |
I don't know if the company itself ever knew of it or not. I mean before I put a stop to it. But, you figure that they would have to, since he was sending back the dead animals for credits with the companies. Maybe - maybe not.
I am just happy that it ended after that. As for now, the store is in shambles and I think with the rise of more popular pet stores coming out, I think they are going under.
It's just ashamed to know how companies mistreat their animals.
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