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 03/22/2006 01:42:53 PM · #1
I just got a Canon 20d and I shot some photographs in RAW. The file extension is .CR2 When I go to copy the images over to my computer however, it does not see any images. I tried to open it up using the EOS Viewer Utility and while it will show the thumbnail of the image, it will not let you preview it or do any editing of it. I hope this makes sense as I am fairly new to both this camera and shooting in RAW. Can anyone help me work out what I am doing wrong?
 03/22/2006 01:45:35 PM · #2
Once you have it downloaded with EOS Viewer, close that program and use Digital Photo Professional that also came with the camera (or try RawShooters Essentials) to edit it.
 03/22/2006 02:01:41 PM · #3
Thanks for your reply telehubbie but for some reason, I cannot download the RAW image in the EOS viewer Utility. It will not let me preview the images, only shows up as a thumbnail. (nothing shows up in the raw adjustment tool palette as well).

This is what I am doing so far.
connecting camera. Pressing cancel when the camera and scanner dialogue box shows up. I then open up EOS viewer Utility and I go through to select the right folder from the camera. I can then see the thumbnail but after that it will not let me do anything to it, or open it up to preview it. I cannot see anything where I can save the file, so that I can then open it up in the digital photo professional program. Aaah, even typing this out is frustrating me lol. Any suggestions?
 03/22/2006 02:22:42 PM · #4
You're trying to open the images directly from your card in the camera and it won't do that. You need to download the images to your computer first. Your camera should be showing up as a virtual drive. Double-click that and go to the file where the images are and selectt yhem all and DRAG them to a folder on your HD.

Then the EOS Viewer Utility will open them and allow you to adjust them just fine. It's what I use for all my routine RAW conversions.

Your best bet is tot ake the camera out of the equation altogether, btw; get CF Card Reader; good ones can be had for 20 bucks and even less. Any camera store that sells digital cameras will have them, staples has them, and so forth. You take the card out of the camera, mount it int he reader, and proceed as above.

Robt.
 03/22/2006 02:26:25 PM · #5
Another helpful tool is the MS windows Raw viewer utility. You can dump files from cards onto your HD then organize into specific folders by viewing thumbnails. Then use Rawshooter to process.

"Windows"???(haha), but it works very well for me.

MS utility is on their download site.
 03/22/2006 02:27:10 PM · #6
I have tried other methods, but I keep coming back to Canon Zoombrowser. I love the ease of download (via card reader), and then using the slideshow to quickly and easily sort the "accidents" from the keepers. Works with Raw, too.
Once I figure out which ones I want to work with, I open them in PS.
 03/22/2006 02:49:18 PM · #7
It's been mentioned twice, but without a link... so here is a link to RawShooter Essentials. An excellent program. You'll find that it is *very* fast and makes working with RAW files so much more enjoyable. Plus, it's free!

Then, if you find you really like RawShooter Essentials ... you should try RawShooter Premium. Using RSP I find that I often completely skip PhotoShop because most of what I need to do to an image is done right at the conversion phase.
 03/22/2006 03:03:40 PM · #8
I second DWTerry, RSP in most cases eliminates the use for photoshop if you are working with a huge batch of photos. I have tried all the other (PC based) RAW converters and nothing even comes close to Rawshooter.

Originally posted by dwterry:
It's been mentioned twice, but without a link... so here is a link to RawShooter Essentials. An excellent program. You'll find that it is *very* fast and makes working with RAW files so much more enjoyable. Plus, it's free!

Then, if you find you really like RawShooter Essentials ... you should try RawShooter Premium. Using RSP I find that I often completely skip PhotoShop because most of what I need to do to an image is done right at the conversion phase.
03/22/2006 04:12:48 PM · #9
Microsoft RAW Thumbnailer and Viewer only works for Canon and Nikon cameras, but you could still view TIFFs for other camera owners.

Doesn't work with Pentax RAW :(
 03/22/2006 04:50:05 PM · #10
I use canon ZOom BRowser software.

It automatically starts up soon as you power on the Camera (that is plugged via USB)

It also lets me organize my picture. You can change the prefix, file numbering, and so forth.

Haven't tried RSEssentials yet. Is it as good as they say Marksimms? I'll prolly try that tonight. Download it from the link in you sig. (thanks for that btw)
 07/13/2006 08:43:51 AM · #11
Have you tried Adobe DNG Converter and Adobie bridge? Still seems to be the bench mark in raw processing/viewing ect. I used to use the canon Software and the MS file browsers but only use the Adobe Bridge as a file browser
 07/15/2006 05:52:51 AM · #12
Also what might be of use to you is that you can download the Canon Utility from the Canon support website, that makes downloading (directly from the camera) a whole load easier.

It's different from the Canon Viewer Utility in that it lets you set a default directory for the downloads, and will then allow you to get all the pics off the camera at the click of a button, automatically putting them into a dated subfolder (based on the EXIF).

I think they introduced the Utility with the 30D, but I've been using it quite happily with my 20D, and it integrates into the digital photo professional software, if you use that.

Other people have mentioned how to view the raw files, but I'll add that you can also open them in Elements 4 or PSP 10. (Elements has slightly better flexibility I think.)
 07/15/2006 07:33:13 AM · #13
If you are runing Windows, the best method for downloading image files from a memory card to your computer is to simply copy & paste regardless of what device you use to transfer (card reader, cable, etc.). Once you have copied the files to your hard disk you can use any software to open, manage and edit them. Using a software program to download risks that program altering the files so that they are not acceptable as originals for the purpose of verifying an entry here at dpc. Copy & Paste also has the advantage of letting you arrange & organize the files as you choose, not in a manner dictated by the software.

If you shoot a lot exposures and are frustrated by the amount of time it takes to transfer them to your computer, get a Delkin Cardbus 32. It's relatively inexpensive and the fastest transfer available. Internet write-ups say it is up to four times faster than a card reader, but for me it was about six times faster. A fully loaded 1 GB CF card can be C&P'ed in about 2 minutes.

Message edited by author 2006-07-15 07:34:42.
 07/16/2006 03:05:26 AM · #14
Originally posted by coolhar:
Using a software program to download risks that program altering the files so that they are not acceptable as originals for the purpose of verifying an entry here at dpc.


It's interesting that you should say that. What sort of alteration could be made?

For example, I looked at some of my RAW files, which I'm fairly sure are not altered by Canon Utility, but I noticed that the "last modified" time is a few seconds after the "created" time. Would they be ok?
 07/16/2006 03:53:49 AM · #15
Originally posted by mist:

For example, I looked at some of my RAW files, which I'm fairly sure are not altered by Canon Utility, but I noticed that the "last modified" time is a few seconds after the "created" time. Would they be ok?


I'm sure that RAW files are OK, as the content cannot be modified. Only some of the fields are modded by the transfer software.
 07/16/2006 08:03:21 AM · #16
I recently started using Photo Mechanic for downloading and sorting my raw files. It goes really fast and has a great preview and labelling system. I can also copy simultaneously to a backup drive. When I want to edit an image, I just click the letter "e" and Photoshop opens. I'm pretty happy with it so far, but it's not free. I downloaded the trial version for two weeks, but didn't completely test it. They renew the code for the trial version several times, so I guess I tested it for a couple of months before I was hooked and decided to buy. The license works on both my PC and the Mac.

Also, here's another vote for investing in a card reader. They're not expensive and work way, way better than using the cable that came with the camera.
 07/21/2006 08:12:47 PM · #17
I`m gonna ask probably the most stupid question for you people.. but.. What is a RAW file? I understand is an extention for images but what makes it diferent? and what is better?
 07/21/2006 08:16:58 PM · #18
Originally posted by gulliverita:
I`m gonna ask probably the most stupid question for you people.. but.. What is a RAW file? I understand is an extention for images but what makes it diferent? and what is better?

I just googled this link for you - hope it helps.
 07/21/2006 08:30:28 PM · #19
The company that makes RawShooter was reciently aquired by Adobe. It seems like Adobe decided to buy the guts of Lightroom instead of building it themselves.

I'm happy since there never was a Mac version of Raw Shooter, and so far I am impressed with the potential shown by lightroom. It's not there yet, but hopefully with Raw Shooter's code base Adobe will clean up Light Room.

Anyway, they are still offering RSE but plan to discontinue it soon, so download your copy now. :)

---A
 07/21/2006 08:52:20 PM · #20
Originally posted by Beetle:
Originally posted by gulliverita:
I`m gonna ask probably the most stupid question for you people.. but.. What is a RAW file? I understand is an extention for images but what makes it diferent? and what is better?

I just googled this link for you - hope it helps.


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