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03/22/2006 07:34:47 AM · #26 |
Originally posted by kashi:
What about a 2-vote system ?
Each photo would recieve 2 votes. THe first for technical merit (lighting, focus, etc), and the second for artistic merit (does it meet challenge, appeal to you, etc)
The final result would be either a straight average (50/50) or weighted slightly towards the technical side (60/40). |
Too many buttons to push. ;^) Actually, this was discussed at length about a month ago. I'll try to find the thread. As typical DPChallenge community, there wasn't really a concensus yes or no. Strong opinions on both sides - mine on the side of keeping the voting system as it now stands. ;^) |
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03/22/2006 07:38:21 AM · #27 |
Karma systems based on "past voting success" have been in use on some other sites for a long time (worth1000 for instance)... the result is usually that a hard core of dedicated voters/critics dominate the judgement by their bias. A lot of the time technically proficient photos do score higher than they would otherwise... but something about the gender and social grouping of the majority of this hard core, in Worth's case, makes images of small children and kittens also score absurdly high. I'd prefer to think that wouldn't happen here :)
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03/22/2006 07:56:26 AM · #28 |
maybe we could make it so you cant vote until you've entered a certain amount of challenges.
Originally posted by ElGordo:
I believe it is generally the case that more successful and accomplished members tend to vote on the quality attributes of an entry whereas lessor accomplished voters tend to vote on the subject of an entry. Of course there are and always will be exceptions to these generalizations.
Are you frustrated by your well thought out, carefully planned and lighted image scoring in the low 4s just because a majority of the voters find the subject unappealing? How about a weighted voting system whereby more expert voters (by demonstrated success) have a more significant impact on the score than a newbie that has no experience? For example, a newbie with only a few entries and little success would be weighted one for one while a multi-ribboned voter with a longer history would have an impact of 5 for one (or something to this effect). Members would steadily progress as they gained experience and success to higher levels of voting impact.
Any ideas or thoughts on this concept? |
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03/22/2006 11:31:59 AM · #29 |
Great discussion, folks! I don't know if a different voting system would help or not. But I see superb images in every challenge that score below average and sometimes see mediocre images that ribbon. IMO, the voters are generally voting on the subject and composition while ignoring the technical aspects of the images.
So, who the hell am I anyway? Not a terrific resume. 30 years experience photographing critical aspects of R&D projects for documentation purposes, a far cry from the type photography most people are involved with. But that experience does enable me to discern the difference between technically good and technically poor photography. Otherwise I would be voting just like any other inexperienced member.
Thanks to all for your thoughts and this discussion!
Message edited by author 2006-03-22 11:38:58. |
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03/22/2006 11:37:45 AM · #30 |
| Whoa! Don't know what happened here to cause the triple post! My server must be acting up. |
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03/22/2006 11:52:23 AM · #31 |
I'd like to see a stronger 'comment' requirement. Somehow locking the comment section if you vote it high (i.e. 8-10) disciminatory for the middle range, and required for the low scores. i.e. you don't move to the next photo until a comment is made.
Save the 'at-a-boy' comments for after the challenge and give constructive comments to the photos needing it.
then again, this may sway votes just to avoid commenting.
Message edited by author 2006-03-22 11:52:56. |
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03/22/2006 12:06:42 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by dassilem:
...then again, this may sway votes just to avoid commenting. |
Or generate a ton of "." or "ok" or "nice" comments. ;^) Of course, this would eliminate the anonymous voting when you have to leave a comment on any lower votes cast.
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03/22/2006 12:13:13 PM · #33 |
ok..bad idea I get the point.
Just don't get the point of a 264th place photo getting 2 comments. how is this a learning experience or am I mistaken on what this site is about? |
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03/22/2006 12:31:07 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by dassilem:
ok..bad idea I get the point.
Just don't get the point of a 264th place photo getting 2 comments. how is this a learning experience or am I mistaken on what this site is about? |
Low votes that appear to be 'troll voting' are thrown out for the final vote tally. But, I agree that DPC is an inefficient way to learn to be a better photographer. One of my current entries voting started like this:
6, 3, 6, 8, 10, 6. I consider that single 3 a troll vote, but there is no guarantee that it will be thrown out. Still, would like to know what the voter was thinking! |
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03/22/2006 12:38:15 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by dassilem:
ok..bad idea I get the point.
Just don't get the point of a 264th place photo getting 2 comments. how is this a learning experience or am I mistaken on what this site is about? |
Sadly, often an image scores consistantly low not because it's outright bad, but because it just fails to generate any interest - including comments about how to improve it. Sometimes there is nothing a commenter can think of to suggest, because the premise of the photo itself is boring / uninspiring, so suggesting lighting changes etc would just be futile, and saying so might come across as insulting to the photographer. There are enough threads springing up as it is to complain about unwanted criticism - people are wary of leaving entirely negative comments when they can't think of anything constructive to say. The result is they choose not to say anything at all.
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03/22/2006 12:43:54 PM · #36 |
There is another photo site commented on a different thread, dailyawards.com, that has a weighted voted system. They have a 10 level system where you, as a voter, can move up the levels by casting votes and winning contests. They have daily, monthly and annual contests.
The levels represent a weight assigned to the vote cast. For example, if you have reached level 2 status (account weight = 2) your vote will have double the power of a level one user. Thus, should you cast a vote of 8 for an image, it will be the equivalent of two level 1 users.
The precise formulat they use is:
[(sum of votes) + (current vote * current weight)] / (total weights so far + current weight)
This seems like an interesting method. They use number of votes cast and winning challenges. DPC would have to modify the levels assignment somewhat to match the challenge style of this site. The goal of the level system though is to make it easy to get to level 2 but to get higher you need to make it harder with the highest level being reserved for the premier folks (very high number of ribbons?).
The net result is that the folks that win ribbons will get a better weighting....
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03/22/2006 02:33:17 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by dleach:
... The net result is that the folks that win ribbons will get a better weighting.... |
I'm not so sure that is a good idea. Just scoring high does not make a persons opinion more valuable, IMO.
David
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03/22/2006 02:40:07 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by David.C:
Originally posted by dleach:
... The net result is that the folks that win ribbons will get a better weighting.... |
I'm not so sure that is a good idea. Just scoring high does not make a persons opinion more valuable, IMO.
David |
But it does give weighting to the folks that spend the time to produce good photos (according to the site) which is a reflection of thier photographic "eye". That seemed to be the intent of this thread. I'm not advocating the change only pointing out that another photo site has a wieghting system in place for thier voting.
David |
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03/22/2006 02:40:57 PM · #39 |
I think the voting system is fine as is.
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