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03/21/2006 02:44:00 PM · #1 |
Not sure why this is never discussed here, but it seems to me that this is a major topic of discussion in the photography industry. It's an area that we all have some exposure to (some more than others... cheese boy), but a topic of interest with most. Now obviously there are probably some people that have moral objections to it, but I would think that it's probably a damn good way to make some money with your photography skills. There is obviously a TON of demand for it and I am sure that many photographers have made money doing it.
So now is your chance to discuss amongst yourself the topic of pornography as it pertains to the photographer. Who shoots it? Who makes money from it? Who would like to start? Who just spends a lot of time online looking at it? :)
In all seriousness though, I just think it's interesting how hard it is to find models for legit (normal fashion) shoots since the very first thought that most of them have is that it will turn into something else. I guess it's just a stereotypical response towards male photographers from models that we are looking for them to take their clothes off.
Just figured I would liven things up around here. I'm sure this will spark some good debate and keep me from being bored at work. |
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03/21/2006 02:51:19 PM · #2 |
I would definately like to do nude shots and if I can make some money from it - why not to porn? Sex and the naked humane body does not offend me - in fact, I think that the human body is a very good subject.
I don't have any moral issues against porn (as long as it doesn't contain cheese). So sure - I will do it.
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03/21/2006 02:53:02 PM · #3 |
In all fairness, I rarely do the Hustler type porn spreads, anymore. I have, as well as couples shots, but for the most part the nudes I do would be more comparable to Playboy in "exposure."
Quite a bit of the stuff I shoot, I can't post here, because of privacy concerns for the clients. Most of it is personal boudior shots.
As far as the porn goes, most of that is bought with exclusivity rights.
Yes, there is decent money in shooting porn and especially with the web industry.
I often am disgusted by sites I run across though that feature beautiful models and REALLY BAD photography. Harsh shadows, focus issues... LOL, I guess I must be into photography too much, because the issues turn me off more than the subject turns me on. LOL.
I really don't suggest porn to many photogs. It's really a dirty industry. Not in the sex, but in the characters that write the checks. Needless to say, there have been a FEW bad checks come my way. So, you have to be careful who you shoot for.
Message edited by author 2006-03-21 14:53:37.
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03/21/2006 03:03:12 PM · #4 |
I would say if it̢۪s an interest one should go to Vegas during the CES electronics fair and Adult industry convention to see how seedy it really is. I have been twice and to be honest that was enough!
I agree with foto_mann that Hot models and Bad photography is a turn off. :)
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03/21/2006 03:10:35 PM · #5 |
Yes, I also saw some of those hot models, bad photography shots - but I also saw some Hot models, Excellent photography shots and I just dream to be able to take shots like those.
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03/21/2006 03:17:17 PM · #6 |
| thought about it but not my cup of tea. |
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03/21/2006 03:19:43 PM · #7 |
Marcel, from experience I'd have to say doing personal boudior for clients is much more gratifying than porn.
Making a woman look sexy and seeing the gleam in her eye when you produce the finals is more personal than paying a model (or models), doing a shoot and mailing the finals to some guy you've never met and then seeing them on www.hotsexyporngirls.com (made that up).
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03/21/2006 03:19:55 PM · #8 |
There are limits to what I will do though - I think the Playboy images would be better than the Hardcore stuff.
Obviously my wife will have a thing or two to say about me doing porn photos - LOL - She will definately not recognise any porn shot done by me on a Hot Model as art - She will only see the hot model and then red...
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03/21/2006 03:22:04 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by marcellieb:
She will definately not recognise any porn shot done by me on a Hot Model as art - She will only see the hot model and then red... |
Yeah! I have this as one of my goals in my profile:
Talk my fiancée into letting me shoot nudes (just kidding honey)
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03/21/2006 03:22:38 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Marcel, from experience I'd have to say doing personal boudior for clients is much more gratifying than porn.
Making a woman look sexy and seeing the gleam in her eye when you produce the finals is more personal than paying a model (or models), doing a shoot and mailing the finals to some guy you've never met and then seeing them on //www.hotsexyporngirls.com (made that up). |
I see what you mean - I agree with you. This makes me think about that naked wedding photography in Japan/China. Couples have two sets of photos taken. One set the normal traditional one for viewing by family and friends and the other naked wedding photos for themeselves.
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03/21/2006 03:23:07 PM · #11 |
There is a new law (18 USC section 2257) passed last year that makes posting a web site that contains nude models or models engaged in sex acts (real or simulated) a more difficult proposition in the US. This law requires an address posted in clear view on the web site where model releases and proof of age are on file and available for inspection by federal authorities. This address must be staffed during normal business hours (9-5) in case these authorities want to visit for the purpose of inspecting these releases and proof of age documents.
Since many small internet businesses are managed from someones home this can be a difficult decision. I personally don't want my home address posted for potential customer/stalkers to have access to. I also don't want to staff an off site business office location for 8 hours per day just to make these releases available for inspection.
Just an FYI for anyone considering a career in internet porn.
edit: for spelling
Message edited by author 2006-03-21 15:24:24. |
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03/21/2006 03:27:02 PM · #12 |
Definitely, and why I would only consider contract work for other sites. Also, I NEVER ask for photographer credits and don't want them.
Edit to add: It's really not a pretty industry. If anyone decides to tread into it, make your footsteps as light as possible.
Originally posted by seenosun:
There is a new law (18 USC section 2257) passed last year that makes posting a web site that contains nude models or models engaged in sex acts (real or simulated) a more difficult proposition in the US. This law requires an address posted in clear view on the web site where model releases and proof of age are on file and available for inspection by federal authorities. This address must be staffed during normal business hours (9-5) in case these authorities want to visit for the purpose of inspecting these releases and proof of age documents.
Since many small internet businesses are managed from someones home this can be a difficult decision. I personally don't want my home address posted for potential customer/stalkers to have access to. I also don't want to staff an off site business office location for 8 hours per day just to make these releases available for inspection.
Just an FYI for anyone considering a career in internet porn.
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Message edited by author 2006-03-21 15:31:45.
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03/21/2006 03:38:54 PM · #13 |
I think there's a difference between erotica and porn. Art nudes are something else again... the purpose is not to arouse. I like erotica, and I like to shoot it. Lots of fun. But porn to me is ugly. It's purpose is to arouse but without any beauty or emotion. It's depressing.
I suppose it might be fun to make a living out of erotica, but I'm quite happy concentrating on music photography for the moment. I wouldn't do any job now just because the money is good... I've been sucked into that way of thinking way too many times in my life.
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03/21/2006 03:46:14 PM · #14 |
I'll even go so far as to disagree that art nudes aren't supposed to arouse. But they're to do so with an overall respect for the human form and beauty of presentation.
Erotica, is still with the realm of art however has a strong focus & intention on arousal.
Porn is disgusting and degrading as a form of art, it takes away any respect for the human form and is merely a feeding trough for an uncontrolled appetite.
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03/21/2006 03:48:11 PM · #15 |
| Im sure most would agree that Porn is not art. At least I do. |
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03/21/2006 03:49:35 PM · #16 |
just for discussion... met-art.com porn or erotica?
Message edited by author 2006-03-21 15:52:00.
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03/21/2006 03:49:48 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by theSaj:
I'll even go so far as to disagree that art nudes aren't supposed to arouse. But they're to do so with an overall respect for the human form and beauty of presentation.
Erotica, is still with the realm of art however has a strong focus & intention on arousal.
Porn is disgusting and degrading as a form of art, it takes away any respect for the human form and is merely a feeding trough for an uncontrolled appetite. |
WOW - well said. Your opinion though. Personally, I will not do porn, but erotica I will do. Porn is a bit "boring". All the same. Erotica and Nude are creative.
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03/21/2006 03:54:32 PM · #18 |
| When nudes are photographed tastefully, it is just that, tastfull. In my opinion, porn is just that, porn. You cant compare porn and art. Apples to oranges, they are just diffrent all together. I have never photographed nudes, not sure I ever will. |
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03/21/2006 04:04:49 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
just for discussion... met-art.com porn or erotica? |
I may have been to that site once of twice before in my past! :) |
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03/21/2006 04:14:07 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by JayWalk:
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
just for discussion... met-art.com porn or erotica? |
I may have been to that site once of twice before in my past! :) |
I think it's porn personally. It's certainly intended to arouse, but it's some of the BEST porn photography on the net.
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03/21/2006 04:23:12 PM · #21 |
| Interesting topic. I think it's important to find out where the line is drawn. What qualifies an image as pornography. Everyone's opinion is so different that I doubt we could ever come up with a true definition anyway. Especially here. I had a recent challenge entry that was simply a dressed pair of legs which received a comment which implied that pornography had no place here. Is Dr. Jones considered a pornographer? I doubt it. However I have no doubt that he has received far more than his share of negative feedback. A nude is simply that... a nude form. Pose the model in a suggestive way and have her tilt her head just so... duddenly in many eyes, the line has been crossed. Historically, pornography was exploitive by it's very nature and typically involved a victim of that exploitation. I believe that is less true now although yes, there are some very colorfull individuals involved in that industry. But, the same can be said about alot of industries can't it. Personally I have a hard time drawing the line. I've seen some beautiful works by many of the masters, current and historical, which are very graphic in nature and yet would be considered pornography by many if produced today. |
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03/21/2006 05:53:05 PM · #22 |
| I usually find the nudes I see around here to be very tastefully done, and even inspiring... too bad I don't know anyone willing to pose nude. Well, my sister would, but my brother-in-law put a stop to that. However, at other sites (photosig for example) I find a lot of the nudes to be outright offensive. Just when I decide I'm going to change my preferences so that I can't even see the nudes, someone FINALLY does some that I think are okay. |
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03/21/2006 06:13:59 PM · #23 |
ok people check this out ,this girl is a photographer her self but the porn site she is runing and quality of photography ,i cant realy relay this much to porn but check it out for your selfs wicked images
this what i call tastefull pornography, this is from photographers point of view no ofence to any of the female members of this site .
//www.allruth.com
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03/21/2006 06:17:54 PM · #24 |
I like porn. Does that make me less of a person?
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03/21/2006 06:19:32 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by facesastheycome:
ok people check this out ,this girl is a photographer her self but the porn site she is runing and quality of photography ,i cant realy relay this much to porn but check it out for your selfs wicked images
this what i call tastefull pornography, this is from photographers point of view no ofence to any of the female members of this site .
//www.allruth.com |
I checked that site out....twice....to each their own, if she is making money, great, its not for me to judge. She is very attractive though...er...lovely, I mean. |
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