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 03/18/2006 10:54:32 AM · #26
The answer to which question is.............. ?

I don't think he should get suspended, as these were genuine mistakes, and I would assume that this is a show of understanding and mercy in bending of the rules, but it would be nice to know for sure.

Certainly, I would hope that such measures are in the rules to reserve the right to take such action, but not as an absolute punishment set in stone.
 03/18/2006 12:45:10 PM · #27
I believe honest mistakes are handled a little different.
 03/18/2006 01:27:04 PM · #28
I'm about to make a VERY grey comment, please ignore if you see in b&W.

The same effect Celeb achieved here, can be achieved LEGALLY by sharpening the first data layer and then using Eid => Fade USM. Exact same effect.

That being said, Celeb was DQ'd on his honesty as to how he produced the sharpening. If he had simply told SC that he used the Fade command, his image would have been validated.

I'm not sure if I can see a DQ being valid in this case, though, seeing that it CAN be done legally.

EDIT TO ADD: Hey Celeb, next time USE the Fade command under the Edit menu ;-)

Message edited by author 2006-03-18 13:30:29.
 03/18/2006 07:14:21 PM · #29
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
I'm about to make a VERY grey comment, please ignore if you see in b&W.

The same effect Celeb achieved here, can be achieved LEGALLY by sharpening the first data layer and then using Eid => Fade USM. Exact same effect.

That being said, Celeb was DQ'd on his honesty as to how he produced the sharpening. If he had simply told SC that he used the Fade command, his image would have been validated.

I'm not sure if I can see a DQ being valid in this case, though, seeing that it CAN be done legally.

EDIT TO ADD: Hey Celeb, next time USE the Fade command under the Edit menu ;-)


Thanks for the advice....I appreciate it.

I think I may just stick to advanced editing challenges until the new (and hopefully more clear) set of rules comes out. Although I think I understand the basic editing rules a little better than I did two weeks and two DQ's ago.

I'm too addicted to this place to stop entering challenges alltogether, lol...
 03/18/2006 07:17:05 PM · #30
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
I'm not sure if I can see a DQ being valid in this case, though, seeing that it CAN be done legally.

I totally agree. Even the cops let you off with a warning sometimes.
 03/18/2006 07:19:19 PM · #31
Originally posted by stare_at_the_sun:
I'm too addicted to this place to stop entering challenges alltogether, lol...


Tell me about it! I thought I had kicked this habit but somehow it snuck back up on me :(
 03/18/2006 07:32:37 PM · #32
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
I'm not sure if I can see a DQ being valid in this case, though, seeing that it CAN be done legally.

I totally agree. Even the cops let you off with a warning sometimes.


True but that would be opening a huge can of worms going forward. After all anybody could claim it was an innocent mistake, which I'm sure 90% of them are anyway. If the goal is to have the place run smoothly in this regard then either do away with the multiple DQ penalty altogether or follow the letter of the law as it is currently written. Those are the only two options that would work in the long run, IMO.

Message edited by author 2006-03-18 19:36:50.
 03/18/2006 07:43:25 PM · #33
Originally posted by yanko:
True but that would be opening a huge can of worms going forward. After all anybody could claim it was an innocent mistake, which I'm sure 90% of them are in general. If the goal is to have the place run smoothly in this regard then either do away with the multiple DQ penalty altogether or follow the letter of the law as it is currently written. Those are the only two options that would work in the long run, IMO.

I agree with that too. We have cans of worms open around here all the time though. Many issues are completely subjective and decisions are at the discretion of the SC and they could have decided to let it slide but warned him privately that "technically" he could be DQ'd. How many times do we see controversy erupt over images that were not DQ'd because the SC practiced discretion? Some, but not as many as the ones that are DQ'd for questionable or subjective and inconsistent reasons.

I'm certainly not faulting the SC - they are always damned if they do, damned if they don't. In most cases, I find it preferable for them to be damned if they don't - DQ, that is.

Whatever. Life goes on. It wasn't my entry and I am not sure how I would feel if it was. I don't take much of any of the things that happen here very seriously anyway (in case you haven't noticed). :)

Hang in there, Caleb. ...and quit cheating. :P
 03/18/2006 07:50:20 PM · #34
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

I'm certainly not faulting the SC - they are always damned if they do, damned if they don't. In most cases, I find it preferable for them to be damned if they don't - DQ, that is.


I'm not faulting SC either. I just needed some bait for fishing and thought I could get some free worms here :-)
 03/18/2006 08:10:43 PM · #35
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Whatever. Life goes on. It wasn't my entry and I am not sure how I would feel if it was. I don't take much of any of the things that happen here very seriously anyway (in case you haven't noticed). :)

Hang in there, Caleb. ...and quit cheating. :P


That's the way I look at it...I mean, this website is for fun and learning. I did "break the rules" ,although unknowingly....so SC had every right to DQ my entry. And really...no big deal, the only reason I made this thread was because I didn't understand it at the time....but now that I do I'm ok with it. Plus...I have an image in 2-Second that is going to blow your minds:P It's quite possibly one of the coolest things ever, lol.

I'll try to stay within the limits of the editing rules here as best I can....and trust me, I'll never cheat on purpose.

That being said....I need to go take some pictures, I had like five ideas at once strike me while in the shower, lol.
03/18/2006 08:14:52 PM · #36
Originally posted by stare_at_the_sun:
I had like five ideas at once strike me while in the shower, lol.


Better watch those ideas, they can be DQable too ... LOL
 03/18/2006 08:30:50 PM · #37
Originally posted by stare_at_the_sun:
That's the way I look at it...I mean, this website is for fun and learning. I did "break the rules" ,although unknowingly....so SC had every right to DQ my entry. And really...no big deal, the only reason I made this thread was because I didn't understand it at the time....but now that I do I'm ok with it. Plus...I have an image in 2-Second that is going to blow your minds:P It's quite possibly one of the coolest things ever, lol.

I'll try to stay within the limits of the editing rules here as best I can....and trust me, I'll never cheat on purpose.

That being said....I need to go take some pictures, I had like five ideas at once strike me while in the shower, lol.


Caleb. You are right, this sight is for fun and learning and that is the main reason I stay here, it is a tight community and somewhat different to other photo sights I'm on. This will always be my favourite sight for sure.

About your photo, I liked your photo a lot and was sad to see it DQ'ed, but rules are rules as hard as they may be. Don't be dismayed man and don't restrict yourself only to member challenges. Your work is good and I always look forward to seeing your entries, whatever the challenge!

Message edited by author 2006-03-18 20:31:17.
 03/18/2006 08:48:58 PM · #38
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:


Hang in there, Caleb. ...and quit cheating. :P

LOL, that's funny.

Seriously, the DQ is a bummer dude. You clearly made an honest mistake. Oh well... rules are rules.

I hope your 2 second entry does well, but I hope it doesn't do as well as mine :P (Actually, I haven't done mine yet. Maybe tomorrow.)
03/19/2006 12:23:19 AM · #39
Well, sorry about your DQ Caleb, it was a great shot. But you can't fight Achoo and the Green. It seems to be destiny these days...3 greens in 8 challenges.

Message edited by author 2006-03-19 00:24:06.
 03/19/2006 12:37:32 AM · #40
Originally posted by stare_at_the_sun:
Plus...I have an image in 2-Second that is going to blow your minds:P It's quite possibly one of the coolest things ever, lol.



but with a 1 week suspension of submissions, you can't enter it can you?
 03/19/2006 03:36:34 PM · #41
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by stare_at_the_sun:
I had like five ideas at once strike me while in the shower, lol.


Better watch those ideas, they can be DQable too ... LOL


Especially if you layer them! ;)
 03/19/2006 04:06:40 PM · #42
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
Originally posted by stare_at_the_sun:
Plus...I have an image in 2-Second that is going to blow your minds:P It's quite possibly one of the coolest things ever, lol.



but with a 1 week suspension of submissions, you can't enter it can you?


Hmmm, yeah, good point. Not that I want you to be suspended, but it would be utterly (and ridiculaously) ironic if the SC let the suspension rule slide.
 03/19/2006 04:14:41 PM · #43
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
Originally posted by stare_at_the_sun:
Plus...I have an image in 2-Second that is going to blow your minds:P It's quite possibly one of the coolest things ever, lol.



but with a 1 week suspension of submissions, you can't enter it can you?


Hmmm, yeah, good point. Not that I want you to be suspended, but it would be utterly (and ridiculaously) ironic if the SC let the suspension rule slide.


I havn't heard anything from them about it....and I think that the suspension rule applies more to the people who knowingly cheat.

I think they would of told me if I was getting suspended or not....so I'm going to assume that I'm not. But it would be nice ot know for sure...
 03/19/2006 04:32:02 PM · #44
LOOPHOLE:
Originally posted by Rules:
The above penalties will be assessed only after review by the Admins and Site Council. In exceptional circumstances, the Site Council may elect not to apply a penalty. If a user is found by Site Council vote to have intentionally violated the Challenge Rules, the above penalties will be additional to any assessed for the violation itself. Site Council may also request proof on a random basis from any participant.


Looks like you're safe.

I still don't get that they can practice that kind of discretion on issuing the penalty, but not in the DQ itself.

edit to add: The loophole assumes this is an exceptional circumstance - has anyone else ever been suspended? Seems unlikely unless you are caught blatantly cheating.

Message edited by author 2006-03-19 16:34:03.
 03/20/2006 02:32:35 AM · #45
My entry in Afterlife was DQ'd too - and I was totally at a loss as to why until explained by the SC. It was a genuine mistake, and hence, a lesson learned.

I hope I don't run foul of the rules unknowingly again in the next 25 entries - I'd hate to to get suspended - would make me feel far too much like being back at school and being giving dentention! I think I'm a wee bit scared of the SC!

Yours was a great shot, and only broke the rules because it was a basic editing challenge. Good luck for next time.
 03/20/2006 07:18:47 AM · #46
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
The loophole assumes this is an exceptional circumstance - has anyone else ever been suspended? Seems unlikely unless you are caught blatantly cheating.


People get suspended all the time, and now and again come on the forums to whine about it. Suspension from challenges does not usually involve suspension from the forums, so it's not always obvious.
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