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03/18/2006 12:24:28 AM · #1

Why exactly did my image get disqualified?

I don't understand. I want this one to be public....

03/18/2006 12:32:36 AM · #2

Originally posted by stare_at_the_sun:

I then increased the saturation a little bit and created a new layer and applied the \"Sharpen\" filter, I then lowered the opacity of that layer to about 30% and flattened the image.

Only adjustment layers are allowed in basic.

Prof_Fate

03/18/2006 12:34:53 AM · #3

OK, post your orignal and what you did to it - lets see if 'we' can duplicate your work legally. If we can , then i suppose you could too.

Tamron 70-180mm F/2.8 Di III VXD

03/18/2006 12:34:58 AM · #4

Why is that not an adjustment layer?

I still don't get it....I applied the filter to the photo as a whole and then adjusted the opacity.

Why is that not legal?

MadMan2k

Sony Alpha a6400

03/18/2006 12:38:02 AM · #5

An adjustment layer is a limited use layer that you get when you click the little black/white circle at the bottom of the layers pallete.

It's different than a regular layer, and regular layers aren't allowed in basic challenges because it's too easy to control the effects that you can otherwise legally apply, for an effect that's outside the rules of a basic challenge.

Next time you can just apply the sharpen you want, and then go to Edit -> Fade Unsharp Mask, and adjust the opacity there.

David.C

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.8D

03/18/2006 12:40:11 AM · #6

Originally posted by stare_at_the_sun:

Why is that not an adjustment layer?

I still don't get it....I applied the filter to the photo as a whole and then adjusted the opacity.

Why is that not legal?

Adjustment layers don't have pixel data -- just an 'adjustment' to the pixel data of the layer below it.

Layers with pixel data (ie, duplicating the background layer, applying a gradient layer, etc) are not adjustment layers and are not allowed.

David

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.8D

03/18/2006 12:45:00 AM · #7

Ok...I understand now.

But who knows what I will get DQ'd for next.....sigh. I might just stop entering challenges.

David.C

03/18/2006 12:49:09 AM · #8

Originally posted by stare_at_the_sun:

Ok...I understand now.

But who knows what I will get DQ'd for next.....sigh. I might just stop entering challenges.

no reason to do that -- one mistake is just that, a mistake. Something done without intention -- I don't see the point in compounding it with another act done with intention (no more challenges).

David

philup

Canon EOS-5D

03/18/2006 12:50:34 AM · #9

Originally posted by stare_at_the_sun:

Ok...I understand now.

But who knows what I will get DQ'd for next.....sigh. I might just stop entering challenges.

Even though you got DQ..you still have a great picture! Keep it up...you have some great pictures!

Cam

Sony DSC-F717

03/18/2006 12:50:35 AM · #10

Originally posted by stare_at_the_sun:

Ok...I understand now.

But who knows what I will get DQ'd for next.....sigh. I might just stop entering challenges.

I had a tough one that was DQ'd., you live and learn.

It was a great shot, and I look forward to you next entry. I know you will sick around. :)

03/18/2006 12:51:55 AM · #11

I know....I'm just really bummed right now. I was having a bad day to begin with and this kind of just threw me over the edge.

I might take a break for awhile though.

Although I do have a decent shot for 2-second....I'll go ahead and enter that one.

Message edited by author 2006-03-18 00:52:59.

Prof_Fate

03/18/2006 12:52:05 AM · #12

Originally posted by stare_at_the_sun:

Ok...I understand now.

But who knows what I will get DQ'd for next.....sigh. I might just stop entering challenges.

for a week anyway...
# In order to discourage repeated disqualifications and abuse of the disqualification system, the following penalties will apply for repeat disqualifications:
# 1st DQ in last 25 submissions: No penalty
# 2nd DQ in last 25 submissions: 1 week suspension of submission privileges
# 3rd DQ in last 25 submissions: 2 week suspension of submission privileges
# 4th DQ in last 25 submissions: 4 week suspension of submission privileges and 3 months of required "pre-submission" of proof file.

Rikki

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM

03/18/2006 12:52:27 AM · #13

chin up caleb! still a great photo and it was an honest mistake. 2 DQs isn`t that bad. I got `em too ;)

03/18/2006 12:55:47 AM · #14

Originally posted by Prof_Fate:

Originally posted by stare_at_the_sun:
Ok...I understand now.

But who knows what I will get DQ'd for next.....sigh. I might just stop entering challenges.

for a week anyway...
# In order to discourage repeated disqualifications and abuse of the disqualification system, the following penalties will apply for repeat disqualifications:
# 1st DQ in last 25 submissions: No penalty
# 2nd DQ in last 25 submissions: 1 week suspension of submission privileges
# 3rd DQ in last 25 submissions: 2 week suspension of submission privileges
# 4th DQ in last 25 submissions: 4 week suspension of submission privileges and 3 months of required "pre-submission" of proof file.

I don't think I'm getting suspended....at least they didn't say anything to me yet.

Thanks Rikki! I'll try to look on the bright side of things I guess....although it's a little hard when your top scoring phot just got DQ'd :P

Rikki

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM

03/18/2006 01:00:10 AM · #15

yeah tell me about it. My second entry was 6.95 when it got DQed. ;)

Cam

Sony DSC-F717

03/18/2006 01:01:57 AM · #16

Originally posted by Rikki:

yeah tell me about it. My second entry was 6.95 when it got DQed. ;)

I had one over a 7.....jeez thats hard to swallow.

If they do get you, we will see you in one week. Not too long.

philup

Canon EOS-5D

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

03/18/2006 01:02:15 AM · #17

Top scoring...dude, In a month or two I can see your score being a 7+ more than once! Keep it up....don't let this get you down.

Bear_Music

Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra

03/18/2006 01:05:14 AM · #18

As a point of information, if you want to know what is and what is not an "adjustment layer" in Photoshop, open an image and go to "layers/new adjustment layer" from the menu. This will give you a number of options for adjustment layers, including "Selective Color", "Levels", "Brightness/Contrast", "Curves", and "Hue/Saturation", which are by far the most commonly used adjustment layers.

They all have in common that the layer itself contains no pixels; it just applies a set of "instructions" to the image beneath. Each of these adjustments can be reached also without generating an "adjustment layer" by clicking "image/adjustments" in the menu, but these adjustments then become what we call "destructive"; they are applied directly to the image itself, and the onlu way to undo them is to back up in your history states, losing everything you have done since the adjustment was made.

The value of "adjustment layers" is that these things tend to be interactive; that is to say, you may do a hue/saturation adjustment and then follow that with a levels adjustment, and find that after levels have been applied hue/saturation needs further tweaking. Using "adjustment layers" makes it possible to do this repeatedly without a lot of backing up and redoing.

Bear in mind also that any layer can me used in many "modes"; "multiply", "screen", "soft light", and so forth. By default a new layer (adjustment or otherwise) is set in "normal" mode, and in basic editing ONLY normal mode is allowed for adjustment layers.

Robt.

Message edited by author 2006-03-18 01:05:47.

Bear_Music

Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

03/18/2006 01:08:27 AM · #19

Originally posted by Rikki:

yeah tell me about it. My second entry was 6.95 when it got DQed. ;)

And MY second ribbon was DQ'd because my time/date stamp was off by 12 hours on my then-brand-new 20D, which had been set at the store. I shot it at 6AM of the day the challenge was announced, and it stamped as 6PM of the day before :-( If I had happened upon that dawn Tuesday instead of Monday, it wouldn't have mattered, sigh... Single best image I ever entered...

R.

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 ED

03/18/2006 01:11:45 AM · #20

Rikki....Bear_Music.....thanks, my DQ isn't too bad compared to your guys.

Oh...and right now I have three 6+ scores on my homepage and one rocking picture for 2-second. So I guess I shouldn't be too sad about things.

BeeCee

Nikon D40

03/18/2006 01:38:44 AM · #21

And, most importantly, you learned something, right? :)
I know I did!

MattO

Nikon D4

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8G ED VR II

03/18/2006 10:05:12 AM · #22

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I don't think I'm getting suspended....at least they didn't say anything to me yet.

Thanks Rikki! I'll try to look on the bright side of things I guess....although it's a little hard when your top scoring phot just got DQ'd :P [/quote]

Why would you not get suspended? You have had 2 DQ's in less then 2 weeks. Is there something in the rules that makes you think that you wont get suspended? Just curious cause I dont see anything that would make me think if I made those mistakes that I wouldnt get suspended.

MattO

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8G ED VR II

03/18/2006 10:21:14 AM · #23

Originally posted by MattO:

Why would you not get suspended? You have had 2 DQ's in less then 2 weeks. Is there something in the rules that makes you think that you wont get suspended? Just curious cause I dont see anything that would make me think if I made those mistakes that I wouldnt get suspended.

MattO

Originally posted by the rules:

# In order to discourage repeated disqualifications and abuse of the disqualification system, the following penalties will apply for repeat disqualifications:
# 1st DQ in last 25 submissions: No penalty
# 2nd DQ in last 25 submissions: 1 week suspension of submission privileges
# 3rd DQ in last 25 submissions: 2 week suspension of submission privileges
# 4th DQ in last 25 submissions: 4 week suspension of submission privileges and 3 months of required "pre-submission" of proof file.

MattO

Nikon D4

03/18/2006 10:30:52 AM · #24

Originally posted by mk:

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Originally posted by the rules:
# In order to discourage repeated disqualifications and abuse of the disqualification system, the following penalties will apply for repeat disqualifications:
# 1st DQ in last 25 submissions: No penalty
# 2nd DQ in last 25 submissions: 1 week suspension of submission privileges
# 3rd DQ in last 25 submissions: 2 week suspension of submission privileges
# 4th DQ in last 25 submissions: 4 week suspension of submission privileges and 3 months of required "pre-submission" of proof file.

MK I did read that, but I dont see anything in there that would say he wouldnt get suspended. Am I reading that wrong or is that your way of saying he is? I am a little more confused by your answer then I was before.

MattO