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 03/16/2006 11:54:09 AM · #1
this picture that I took back in Dec. in the Lake District. I really like it but I'm starting to lose confidence in my ability to judge quality recently. I tend to oversharpen in PP and I am not sure if this is because I am pping on my ibook laptop using photoshop. They look really different on the big PC.

Anyway could I have some HONEST criticism of this shot - I'm not looking for platitudes - so I can moderate my own thoughts on it,



Thanks
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 03/16/2006 11:57:29 AM · #2
looks like a lovely picture that's been a little oversharpened. I recommend you stop pping on your laptop. You might short-circuit it! ;)
 03/16/2006 12:02:19 PM · #3
Yes its a little oversharpenned Pauline.
The other thing is you have to do something with the sky, it needs a little definition.
03/16/2006 12:14:57 PM · #4
Originally posted by Falc:
Yes its a little oversharpenned Pauline.
The other thing is you have to do something with the sky, it needs a little definition.


Thanks Keith for taqking the time to comment. Could you suggest the best way to define the sky? I tried a few things but couldn't really change it. It was a really grey day.
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03/16/2006 12:17:06 PM · #5
Originally posted by posthumous:
looks like a lovely picture that's been a little oversharpened. I recommend you stop pping on your laptop. You might short-circuit it! ;)


Agree! I think I'm moving into the cold study instead of the laptop in the lounge with the blazing fire!!
:)

Thank you for looking, Don!
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 03/16/2006 12:17:41 PM · #6
Viewed on my CRT it looks fine. Viewed on my LCD it looks oversharpened.

Don't you wish all the DPC voters would use the same monitor you do?!? ;-)
 03/16/2006 12:26:09 PM · #7
Originally posted by dwterry:
Viewed on my CRT it looks fine. Viewed on my LCD it looks oversharpened.

Don't you wish all the DPC voters would use the same monitor you do?!? ;-)

Yes!!!

Thanks, David it's interesting to see you find the same thing. It helps to know it MIGHT be my laptop not my eyes!

Got to go out fot a bit but please any more comments either about the sharpening or general would be appreciated and I will get back to the thread asap!

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 03/16/2006 12:26:11 PM · #8
oops!

Message edited by author 2006-03-16 15:13:15.
 03/16/2006 12:31:04 PM · #9
Originally posted by Riponlady:
Originally posted by Falc:
Yes its a little oversharpenned Pauline.
The other thing is you have to do something with the sky, it needs a little definition.


Thanks Keith for taqking the time to comment. Could you suggest the best way to define the sky? I tried a few things but couldn't really change it. It was a really grey day.
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Hey no pronlem Pauline, why don't you send me a decent sized version, then I can work it up and pass it back with a technical description of what I've done. That way you can try it for yourself and learn some of the techniques.
 03/16/2006 12:38:05 PM · #10
I have learned by many disappointing results in the past to shoot several times a scene I really like. I bracket my focus to and fro and even shoot off an auto focus. Too many times I take for granted what I seen through the finder is what I will see on screen and have been left frustrated. So now I will shoot a nice scene ten or more times if I can moving back and forth with focus and even f stops. This has often given me at least one shot I like that is focused as I wish.
 03/16/2006 12:39:00 PM · #11
I find this odd because in my experience the tendency is to not sharpen enough using a LCD, and oversharpen using a CRT, each being relative, of course, to the other screen's parameters; definitely LCD screens tend to look crisper and sharper than CRTs. The CRT, at least mine, is a better emulation of what the PRINT will look like IMO.

And it doesn't look oversharpened to me at all.

R.
 03/16/2006 12:55:57 PM · #12
Talking from an inexperienced point of view, I think the use of a graduated ND 2.0 filter on the sky might have helped pull something together there.

I am viewing this on my laptop in a motorway coffee shop (don't ask) and the only "bad" sharpness I can see is around the thin tree branches.

Other than that, I actually really like this picture!

Carl (the cheeky cockney chappy - not!)

PS my workstation set-up uses a brighter LCD display and there is not a lot of difference for me in the screens other than the brightness

Message edited by author 2006-03-16 12:56:54.
 03/16/2006 01:42:02 PM · #13
I don't see it as over sharpened either.
Looks like chromatic aberration to me, common problem with high contrast shots of trees against the bright sky. As said a graduated filter may help.
 03/16/2006 03:16:32 PM · #14
OK now I really am "confused of Ripon"!

Is it oversharpened or not???? Is it just the variation in monitors?? How do I use a graduated filter?? What IS a graduated filter???

Keith, what's the best way to send you a copy? I really appreciate your offer!

Pauline


03/16/2006 03:49:52 PM · #15
Originally posted by Riponlady:
Is it oversharpened or not???? Is it just the variation in monitors??


That was my point! That it doesn't necessarily look oversharpened ... unless you're on an LCD. Trouble is ... you have no way of controlling what the viewers out there are using to view your images. Probably best to reduce the sharpening to keep the LCD viewers happy too.
03/16/2006 04:22:09 PM · #16
A graduated ND filter is a camera attachment. For your camera, you need this first:

//dpchallenge.pricegrabber.com/search_getprod.php/masterid=2429690/search=Kodak+DX6490

Then any 55mm filter should fit one it. The GND turns so as to plaace the most dense part of the filter over the brightest light source. Makes a world of difference. HEre is a filter at B&H with an example of the various densities at the left:

//www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?A=details&kw=TIGND.655&is=REG&Q=&O=productlist&sku=57836

Oh yeah...everything is this hobby is expensive. Hope this helps.
 03/16/2006 04:35:06 PM · #17
am also looking at it on a LCD screen and dont think its oversharpened .. guess its one of those 50-50 things and a lot depends on the eye of the beholder ..
looking forward to following the replies here .. have had problems with washed out skies too ..
the colour abberations between dark objetcs and the sky is a common complaints in Sony non DSLR camera's ? But I See that your's is a Kodak ..
If you are going to post Process in PP, you can try the warmify option a bit, that will soften the pic and kinda decrease the washed out skies ..
not a pro .. not even an ameture.. here to learn ..
 03/16/2006 04:40:28 PM · #18
I really don't think that it is oversharpening as much as the sky simply overexposed. It looks the same to me on both monitors, but I am hard-of-seeing sometimes.
 03/16/2006 05:03:46 PM · #19
Originally posted by ericwoo:
A graduated ND filter is a camera attachment. For your camera, you need this first:

//dpchallenge.pricegrabber.com/search_getprod.php/masterid=2429690/search=Kodak+DX6490

Then any 55mm filter should fit one it. The GND turns so as to plaace the most dense part of the filter over the brightest light source. Makes a world of difference. HEre is a filter at B&H with an example of the various densities at the left:

//www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?A=details&kw=TIGND.655&is=REG&Q=&O=productlist&sku=57836

Oh yeah...everything is this hobby is expensive. Hope this helps.


Thank you it helps a LOT!
The prices in dollars looks really good. I wonder if I can get it for a reasonable price over here? Legalbeagle has gone ski-ing! Directly he gets back I'll get him to check them out for me!
Thanks again.
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 03/16/2006 05:22:27 PM · #20
I left a comment, but basically I'm not sure it's oversharp as much as you are showing chromatic aberation.

For the oversharp people, riddle me this:

1) Why is it only on the tree and not in the center where the reeds are against the bright water?

2) Why is the sharpening only on one side of the branch? and always on the same side?

3) Why is the sharpening in one particular color (cyan)?

Can you see this in the original at all?
 03/16/2006 05:32:00 PM · #21
Thanks for comment, Jason and others - much appreciated!
Jason I have pm'd you

If it is any help this is the original.


REALLY appreciating all this help!

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 03/16/2006 05:47:10 PM · #22
Sent you a PM. I'm convinced it CA now. The picture isn't oversharp at all. In fact, I think the central reeds are fairly soft.
 03/16/2006 06:46:15 PM · #23


here's the result of my edit - i will send you an email describing the steps and the psd file so you can see the effects of each step
 03/16/2006 06:48:53 PM · #24
Originally posted by Falc:


here's the result of my edit - i will send you an email describing the steps and the psd file so you can see the effects of each step


Wow! Thanks Keith
I owe you a beer or two next time we meet up!
:))
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