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03/14/2006 12:06:01 AM · #1 |
Did not the rules for this challenge specifically say: "Photograph your own conceptualization of the afterlife"?????????
Why then do people see fit to tell me my entry DNMC?????????
The description for the challenge doesn't say a "common" conceptualization, but "your own" conceptualization. Just because someone doesn't have freaking angels, demons, spirits, or dirt doesn't mean @&$%!!! If MY conceptualization of the afterlife is a room full of pantyhose, then that's what it is - not that it is, just using an example. I tell you, I have been more frustrated by this challenge than any other I have EVER participated in.
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03/14/2006 12:10:40 AM · #2 |
I hear ya. I posted in another thread:
Mine is probably not what most people were expecting an Afterlife entry to look like. Of course I probably should not make too many judgments based on just two comments so far, but I'm also going by the low score. I don't mind being scored low because I'm still very much learning, but I have a feeling that the low score is an indication of a lot of people thinking that it doesn't fit (rather than just being a not so great photo). Kinda disappointing as it does fit my conceptualization of the afterlife.
So yeah. Mine's different and abstract and I think that maybe a lot of people probably didn't identify with that very well. |
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03/14/2006 12:12:12 AM · #3 |
ya i hear ya persimmon! this is a Free Study of sorts if you thnk about it ;) So to those who say DNMC, lighten up guys!
Sheesh! :) |
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03/14/2006 12:15:48 AM · #4 |
There are always narrow minded voters out there. If the shot does not meet their interpretation of the challenge, then they will vote you down.
Never fails. |
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03/14/2006 12:22:28 AM · #5 |
Sorry to hear about your DNMC received comment.
Anyway, while I fully agree with you on the "narrow mindedness" of certain voters, please if you'd allow me to comment on this topic.
I find that, as in other form of expressive mediums, often people do not understand or may not relate well to our works - and thus have a bad liking to it. It's a wide audience out there, and it's not possible to please everyone. So, the one tiny thing to keep in mind when submitting to DPC is, try to shoot something widely acceptable/understood if you are concerned about scores/comments.
Besides that, hey, cheer up.
Show us your pic when the voting closes, alright? :) |
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03/14/2006 12:23:58 AM · #6 |
Unfortunately, there is always that concept in the mind of the voters that is going to influence how they see whether an image fits the challenge or not. Yes, while you as the photographer are free to submit what you want in what meets the challenge from your perspective - considering what others are going to look for is a big part of putting up an image that works for many. It's just human nature.
Personally, I saw many images that went for a more common theme of afterlife. Some done very well, others just okay - just like any challenge. Then there were some unique and creative takes that were sellable to me as an afterlife concept, as well as a handful that quite frankly didn't connect at all.
Fun isn't it? ;^)
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03/14/2006 12:30:33 AM · #7 |
| Thanks crayon and glad2badad - right now I'm happy just to be learning, but you two have some good thoughts to ponder! |
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03/14/2006 12:33:30 AM · #8 |
I know I put the image out there for others to vote on, so I should just take it. It's just that this was more personal to me. It was a piece of my head and heart that I shared with others - does that make sense? I took this seriously - I didn't search for something I though others would like (I know, then why am I so upset). It's not like I entered a picture of apples in a challenge stating "Photograph an Orange". In that case, a photograph of apples wouldn't meet challenge.
If you don't like it and you can't find a way to judge impartially based on the technical merrit of the photograph, vote it low...but don't tell me it doesn't meet challenge!
I'll stop belly-aching now. |
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03/14/2006 12:35:57 AM · #9 |
LOL, I'm running over 5.2 with something that isn't actually my idea of the afterlife, just a lazy cop-out...
Which kinda sucks in a way.
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03/14/2006 01:01:05 AM · #10 |
It amuses me as well; here's the one I received:
"Photograph your own conceptualization of the afterlife." The photo is off topic. IMO
I mean, wtf? If it's my own conceptualization, how can it be off-topic?
I had to laugh, and still do when I see it :-)
R.
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03/14/2006 01:02:46 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
I mean, wtf? If it's my own conceptualization, how can it be off-topic?I had to laugh, and still do when I see it :-) |
Did you post a woodie & duckie pic again Robt? That is SO not Afterlife! :p |
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03/14/2006 01:18:35 AM · #12 |
Is it wrong to post DNMC on other people's portfolio pictures?
Just kidding, I don't use DNMC in comments.
I personally have different beliefs from most people about the afterlife, but if they don't even know who the photographer is, how could they even begin to guess what his/her ideas of the afterlife are?
Sillyness.
I do feel that a picture should be at least somewhat tied in... If it's a picture of a swan for example, there should be some kind of tie-in for mourning survivors or reincarnation or whatever...
If the connection isn't clear, or the voter can't see things from any other perspectives, then perhaps these are a couple of reasons for it.
Either way, you can't change what other people think, they have to do that. You can only provide a catalyst which doesn't always make the right kind of contact. |
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03/14/2006 01:37:06 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by crayon:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
I mean, wtf? If it's my own conceptualization, how can it be off-topic?I had to laugh, and still do when I see it :-) |
Did you post a woodie & duckie pic again Robt? That is SO not Afterlife! :p |
I'm getting a bum rap on that, man. I have entered like 130 challenges, I have ducky in maybe 4, and one of those includes woody, and THAT was "odd couple" so it made perfect, if demented, sense...
snif...
Robt.
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03/14/2006 01:40:37 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
I'm getting a bum rap on that, man. I have entered like 130 challenges, I have ducky in maybe 4, and one of those includes woody, and THAT was "odd couple" so it made perfect, if demented, sense...
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**it happens ;-) You could be branded with something worse than duckies ... LOL
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03/14/2006 01:42:38 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
I'm getting a bum rap on that, man. I have entered like 130 challenges, I have ducky in maybe 4, and one of those includes woody, and THAT was "odd couple" so it made perfect, if demented, sense...
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**it happens ;-) You could be branded with something worse than duckies ... LOL |
yeah, like being branded as a "twig"
(hint: read the photoman vs shutterpug thread, LOL!) |
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03/14/2006 01:43:11 AM · #16 |
It's ok, I see someone is trying to usurp your throne mr. cheese.
The Pick 2 challenge appears to have a Mr. Peanut Butter. |
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03/14/2006 08:06:28 AM · #17 |
I just got another one stating that my entry should "fit the challenge better". I mean really!! This IS MY conceptualization of the afterlife.
Every voter that says something like this to me might as well be saying "your entry doesn't fit MY conceptualization of the afterlife, therefore I am giving you a low vote."
This isn't even an "out-of-the-box" type of image!! For Pete's sake, do people not see anything but dirt, angels, demons, etc. as possibilities for the afterlife?
I took this challenge as a way to see where some of you photographers are coming from - to see a little piece of your inner thoughts. I NEVER saw ANYTHING that I would have said, "DNMC", for who am I to judge YOUR conceptionalization of the afterlife. IF you entered it here, I assume this is what you see or how you imagine things might be when you die or pass on. |
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03/14/2006 08:20:15 AM · #18 |
| I personally give more points to people who avoid cliches, and I'm sure there are at least some others like me. But not enough to compensate, apparently... |
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03/14/2006 08:26:57 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
I personally give more points to people who avoid cliches, and I'm sure there are at least some others like me. But not enough to compensate, apparently... |
Well, I don't like to respond to critiquers before the challenge is over, but once it is, I am going to respond to each and every individual who said something nice about my entry. There have been some who have really "gotten" it. Even some who may not have gotten it, but at least they respected my take on things. They will get a "thank you" from me. |
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03/14/2006 08:31:07 AM · #20 |
to be honest, mine is pretty damn cliched! :D then again, it does sort of match my idea about the afterlife.
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03/14/2006 08:32:24 AM · #21 |
It doesn't matter what "your" idea is of the afterlife. In scoring, it only matters about what appeals to the voters.
My own entry was not my original idea, but since I spent the time and money, I entered a different concept. It is getting good comments, but a terrible score.
In another challenge I scored a 2.6 Are you THAT low? LOL.....Why did I get that low a score? Because the Challenge was "Coffee". Well, I don't drink coffee, cook it, smell it, etc. I stay away from it and all caffeine products. SOooooo, I decided to go the opposite route and just be cute. I had taken a photo of a monkey sleeping and titled it "too much decaf". Well, it bombed more than you can believe. My worst score in a year. Why? DNMC. But, was it really a DNMC? LOL...Not to me. It was just a different take and not a photo full of coffee beans and coffee mugs.
People are people are people. If the photo you took is one you love, to heck with those that don't like it. You do, and that is what matters. In your case, it was something close to your visualization or emotions. Congrats on your win, cause you are a winner already just for putting it forth. I personally could NOT care less about the comments I get. I wish I received none, not even the good. They are pleasant to read, but I don't take any of them with any seriousness. They just so happen to be there is how I look at it. It's an option others are given, so they use it. But, I KNOW what I do with my photos and why and what can be better or worse. I don't need anyone telling me so, and when I do, I will go take a class on it or ask someone I know and respect in the field outside of DPC. Or I will ask a direct question, as I did on street selling which got NO replies, and as I did on frames, which again got no real answer in the end. So when you DO want info, you get pretty much ignored for the asking. When you don't want it, you get a slew of critics. Pfffft. Such is the life of a site where options are given and used. It's the Public.
Not everyone likes your work. Not everyone likes mine. Not everyone likes Andy Warhol's either, but do you think any of the pro's give a rats ass? LOL. Someone commented on Warhols photos once. They asked him why he didn't do this or didn't do that. His answer was because he liked it as it was. Well, in that I say the same to you and others. If you like it as is, who cares what others think?
Don't take comments so seriously. I used to as well. I don't anymore, and that is one thing I have learned from the comments here at DPC on my entries. When here I am usually off browsing photos, reading tutorials, or writing in forums. Then later on I go "oh yeah, let's see how my photos are doing"...LOL. Then I hit the update button. I am either happy or shrug. The comments I may read when I feel like it or let them sit. I don't run to them. It really makes no difference.
In the end public voting is public voting. It is really all subjective. Ribbons are only bonuses and its all a crap shoot if you get one IMO. But I do love the competition, and am here for that first and foremost. I find that part exciting. Can I break my 5.3 average on the last entry I submitted, or can I break the last score I got of a 6.3 on that entry? That is my own competition - with myself. If not, I don't fret about it. I just try harder next time, or maybe not, depending on the theme up for the week. But each theme brings new competition and new excitement for me personally, with my own little game of chance, and that is what I like and pay for.
Rose
Message edited by author 2006-03-14 08:36:44.
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03/14/2006 08:52:09 AM · #22 |
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03/14/2006 09:14:05 AM · #23 |
Ahh, I recant one of my statements. There were replies on my street selling thread. Must have come late last night, but that was nice to see :)
Rose
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03/14/2006 10:19:03 AM · #24 |
Originally posted by Rose8699:
People are people are people. If the photo you took is one you love, to heck with those that don't like it. |
this is IT !, nothing more ... i'm always saying this also
peace
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03/15/2006 05:28:40 PM · #25 |
I was one of the DNMC'ers.
I got DMNC comments on my afterlife image. It was of an angel shot specifically for the challenge. If angels don't connect to the afterlife, I don't know what does. To me, this looked like a great image that was stretched to fit in the challenge. The cliche flower shot didn't seem to be shot for the afterlife challenge. If I'm wrong, I apologize. |
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