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 03/13/2006 03:43:49 PM · #1
From Bear's thread, I'll take it to a different slant. What happened? We don't have a Master's Free Study challenge anymore?

The first one was a great showcase of images. I bet I'm not the only one looking forward to something like this ;)

Details: Congratulations to all those who have received ribbons. Only members who have placed 1st, 2nd, or 3rd in 2 or more challenges are able to participate in this challenge. Good luck!

This is an experimental challenge.
Extra Rules: You can only submit to this if you have earned two or more ribbons.

03/13/2006 03:45:59 PM · #2
I've been wanting to schedule more, but always remember the negativity that was unleashed when we did the first batch. And now with this 2" Exposure challenge, I'm too scared to challenge anything. ;)
 03/13/2006 03:46:38 PM · #3
What "negativity" L?
 03/13/2006 03:51:59 PM · #4
Originally posted by Rikki:
From Bear's thread, I'll take it to a different slant. What happened? We don't have a Master's Free Study challenge anymore?

The first one was a great showcase of images. I bet I'm not the only one looking forward to something like this ;)

Details: Congratulations to all those who have received ribbons. Only members who have placed 1st, 2nd, or 3rd in 2 or more challenges are able to participate in this challenge. Good luck!

This is an experimental challenge.
Extra Rules: You can only submit to this if you have earned two or more ribbons.


This type challenge, while certainly a valued one, does not address recognition of those that have never ribboned but consistently score very well (say, top 25%) in many challenges.
 03/13/2006 03:53:19 PM · #5
Originally posted by ElGordo:
Originally posted by Rikki:
From Bear's thread, I'll take it to a different slant. What happened? We don't have a Master's Free Study challenge anymore?

The first one was a great showcase of images. I bet I'm not the only one looking forward to something like this ;)

Details: Congratulations to all those who have received ribbons. Only members who have placed 1st, 2nd, or 3rd in 2 or more challenges are able to participate in this challenge. Good luck!

This is an experimental challenge.
Extra Rules: You can only submit to this if you have earned two or more ribbons.


This type challenge, while certainly a valued one, does not address recognition of those that have never ribboned but consistently score very well (say, top 25%) in many challenges.


And?....
 03/13/2006 03:53:47 PM · #6
Originally posted by ElGordo:

This type challenge, while certainly a valued one, does not address recognition of those that have never ribboned but consistently score very well (say, top 25%) in many challenges.


Hence the slant from Bear_music's thread ;)
 03/13/2006 03:55:00 PM · #7
Also, it's getting MUCH harder than it used to be to be a multiple-ribbon winner. Probably ought to define a "master" as a ribbon-winner now, I think. I donno...

R.
 03/13/2006 03:56:18 PM · #8
Originally posted by Rikki:
What "negativity" L?


There was a good bit of debate in the forums when we first scheduled about how it left a lot of people out for various reasons. In fact, I believe there was so much negativity towards the term "Master", that we later renamed it to "Invitational".
 03/13/2006 03:57:28 PM · #9
The original idea of the Masters challenges was pretty well received, but negative reaction built, and the consensus in the community seemed to be that rather than being an (additional) showcase for the top talent on the site, they were exlcusionist. We listened to the feedback, and let the idea die a natural death.
If the community feels it's an idea that needs to be revisited, it's certainly not out of bounds, referencing L's comments above.
 03/13/2006 04:00:08 PM · #10
I agree with Bear that it is indeed harder these days to win multiple ribbons. Like I mentioned in a thread prior, the game is getting harder and harder. Not counting this past rollover, only 3 of the last 20 Blues were below a 7!

The terms "Master" seems awkward and weird to me. "Invitational" on the other hand is far more appropriate and would be widely accepted. I think it's still a great idea and something that shouldn't fade into oblivion.

edited spelling ;)

Message edited by author 2006-03-13 16:00:46.
 03/13/2006 04:04:12 PM · #11
Can we at least have more invitational challenges with random criteria? I think it's cool to see what a certain group of people will do, be it "masters", people who've never ribboned, people between the ages of 37 an 56, people from timbuktu, or any other random group.
 03/13/2006 04:15:53 PM · #12
Originally posted by kearock:
Can we at least have more invitational challenges with random criteria? I think it's cool to see what a certain group of people will do, be it "masters", people who've never ribboned, people between the ages of 37 an 56, people from timbuktu, or any other random group.


That'd be really cool.
 03/13/2006 04:17:37 PM · #13
Whatever you call it, I think it'd be cool to have another Masters Free Study.... Even though I'm nowhere near eligible, I'm still amazed by the quality of the images in the first study...
 03/13/2006 04:18:26 PM · #14
Originally posted by MadMan2k:
Originally posted by kearock:
Can we at least have more invitational challenges with random criteria? I think it's cool to see what a certain group of people will do, be it "masters", people who've never ribboned, people between the ages of 37 an 56, people from timbuktu, or any other random group.


That'd be really cool.

oooh battle of the icelaners ;)
 03/13/2006 04:18:30 PM · #15
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Also, it's getting MUCH harder than it used to be to be a multiple-ribbon winner. Probably ought to define a "master" as a ribbon-winner now, I think. I donno...

R.


I dunno about that. One could be luck. Two starts a trend. That's just an opinion of course.
 03/13/2006 04:23:42 PM · #16
Maybe if an Avg. % stat were added, a challenge could be held from among those with an 80% (or whatever) avg. over their last 10 entries?
 03/13/2006 04:30:54 PM · #17
Originally posted by scalvert:
Maybe if an Avg. % stat were added, a challenge could be held from among those with an 80% (or whatever) avg. over their last 10 entries?

With a minimum number of Challenges entered being greater than x?
10?
1? :-)
15?
 03/13/2006 04:35:07 PM · #18
Originally posted by mattmac:
Originally posted by scalvert:
Maybe if an Avg. % stat were added, a challenge could be held from among those with an 80% (or whatever) avg. over their last 10 entries?

With a minimum number of Challenges entered being greater than x?
10?
1? :-)
15?


well, then it would take a week for me to figure out if I could participate in the challenge!

;)
 03/13/2006 04:38:26 PM · #19
I expect this to get totally dismissed but here goes anyway. What about this rule for the "masters/invitational" challenge:

Extra Rules: You can only submit to this if you have earned two or more ribbons OR have an average score of at least 6.00 with 20 or more challenges under your belt.

Seems to me you would cover your bases pretty well allowing just about everybody that was really good and has shown that over time.
 03/13/2006 04:54:08 PM · #20
Originally posted by kearock:
Can we at least have more invitational challenges with random criteria? I think it's cool to see what a certain group of people will do, be it "masters", people who've never ribboned, people between the ages of 37 an 56, people from timbuktu, or any other random group.


This is the best idea anyone has posted to DPC in a long time! Hear! Hear!
 03/13/2006 05:00:13 PM · #21
Originally posted by yanko:
...Extra Rules: You can only submit to this if you have earned two or more ribbons OR have an average score of at least 6.00 with 20 or more challenges under your belt.

Seems to me you would cover your bases pretty well allowing just about everybody that was really good and has shown that over time.


Well, it may be too lenient; I would sneak in under those rules ;-)

Seriously, this proposal would probably work well, and there are probably quite a few other workable alternatives that would include those who do well, but don't have a track record of ribbons to show for it. This example goes to show that there are good solutions for the entry criteria (though someone will always feel left out).
I think the critical questions are:

- Is this concept something that the community wants to see return?
- If so, what do we call it??
 03/13/2006 05:10:04 PM · #22
seems like the average score would be a fair starting point?
especially as everyone votes for an image on a 1-10 basis and not on what position an image should finish.
everyone who has scored higher than 5.50 gets to play, doesn't matter if you've entered one challenge or a hundred.
just a thought.
 03/13/2006 05:17:52 PM · #23
I would love to participate in a "Master's challenge (you know I like to get in as many as I can). However, I don't qualify based on many of the ideas for entry tossed out here. This is fine. It should be an exclusive, "you've earned it", kind of challenge.

Personally, I think it should stay restricted to those with at least two ribbons.

By changing it to some average score over x number of challenges I think you are going to continue seeing people worry about their average score too much. You hear it in the threads frequently. People should participate to have fun and learn. The end result is possibly more "cherry picking" and entering only challenges where your average isn't going to suffer. I think it's more fun to "swing for the fences" and put your best effort out there regardless.

JMO. ;^)
 03/13/2006 05:18:02 PM · #24
Originally posted by langdon:
Originally posted by Rikki:
What "negativity" L?


There was a good bit of debate in the forums when we first scheduled about how it left a lot of people out for various reasons. In fact, I believe there was so much negativity towards the term "Master", that we later renamed it to "Invitational".


I think in general the site has matured and has accepted the idea of invitational challenges.

If I remember right the debate was more to do witht he term "Masters" and once the voting began the debate died a natural death. When you look back at those images it is great to see what the best can offer.
 03/13/2006 05:22:40 PM · #25
Originally posted by keegbow:
If I remember right the debate was more to do with the term "Masters" and once the voting began the debate died a natural death...


Yep. Just call it the Ribbon Regulars' Challenge. Whether gained through mastery, determination or sheer luck, that's what it is.
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