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 03/10/2006 06:12:56 PM · #1
Yo.
Soooo, I have this uhmm, friend, who may (or may not) have an idea for an upcoming Challenge. This friend may (or may not) be the subject or one of the subjects...

I don't think my friend will have time to click the shutter, and set himself (or herself) up in the shot using the 10 second self-timer...and I don't think the wired remote shutter release will reach to his (or her) position.

FINALLY, the question - If the photographer (also the subject, in this case) sets up the shot, sets the camera (including focusing, aperture, iso, shutter speed, WB, etc), but hands the remote shutter release to an assistant who ACTUALLY clicks it on the photographers direction...would that be considered a legal Challenge Shot (could it be submitted under the photographer's name)?

I'm torn on this.

It seems that the assistant is acting no differently than the self-timer...just a longer duration.

Thoughts?

(Man, I sure know how to party on a friday night...wahooo!!!)

03/10/2006 06:14:52 PM · #2
Who's going to know who presses the shutter unless you tell us? :-)
 03/10/2006 06:16:25 PM · #3
"Ownership: The photograph you enter must be taken and post-processed by you. You may let someone else press the shutter if you are unable to, but you must be the one who set up the shot and configured the camera. If you wish to collaborate with others when creating your submission, you will need express permission from the administrators beforehand."

from the rules
 03/10/2006 06:19:23 PM · #4
Originally posted by ButterflySis:
Who's going to know who presses the shutter unless you tell us? :-)

What?!?

How could I go on living knowing that I may (or may not) have inadvertantly cheated here, at DPC?

I...I just couldn't...live with myself...

"Virtue Mine Honour".
 03/10/2006 06:21:38 PM · #5
Originally posted by pekesty:
"Ownership: The photograph you enter must be taken and post-processed by you. You may let someone else press the shutter if you are unable to, but you must be the one who set up the shot and configured the camera. If you wish to collaborate with others when creating your submission, you will need express permission from the administrators beforehand."

from the rules

Oh.
Right...Rules. We have rules here.
...accessible rules.
*blush*

No one said anything about being able to read...and I have never claimed to having a brain larger than a walnut.

(thanks for Ruling)
 03/10/2006 06:55:30 PM · #6
Hi Matt,

What you are describing is ok. From the rules:

* Ownership: The photograph you enter must be taken and post-processed by you. You may let someone else press the shutter if you are unable to, but you must be the one who set up the shot and configured the camera. If you wish to collaborate with others when creating your submission, you will need express permission from the administrators beforehand. (emphasis added)

To qualify, you must set up the shot and make all artistic decisions yourself. Your assistant must be acting essentially as a remote control, pressing the shutter button when you tell them to do so.

~Terry


03/10/2006 06:56:37 PM · #7
In this instance I really don't see the problem. It isn't like you asked someone in Iceland to take a photo of a landscape for you and then mail you the originals. In this case you simply cannot be close enough to take the shot, but you have done everything before hand. You just can't click the little button. Big deal. Go do it and don't worry about it.

EDITED TO ADD: Was being written as council was replying, and I totally agree per the rules.

Message edited by author 2006-03-10 18:57:47.
 03/10/2006 07:00:02 PM · #8
Originally posted by Rose8699:
It isn't like you asked someone in Iceland to take a photo of a landscape for you and then mail you the originals.

CRAP! There goes my... uh, I mean my friend's plan for the challenge.
 03/10/2006 07:12:01 PM · #9
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by Rose8699:
It isn't like you asked someone in Iceland to take a photo of a landscape for you and then mail you the originals.

CRAP! There goes my... uh, I mean my friend's plan for the challenge.

*deleting from DRAFTS*
"Dear Heida,

No need for you to take that picture for me. It looks like I can use the shot of my cat playing with a Woody. I think this will work out better than your idea anyway...

Thanks, though.
~mattmac"

Message edited by author 2006-03-10 19:12:26.
 03/10/2006 07:15:20 PM · #10
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
Hi Matt,

What you are describing is ok. From the rules:

* Ownership: The photograph you enter must be taken and post-processed by you. You may let someone else press the shutter if you are unable to, but you must be the one who set up the shot and configured the camera. If you wish to collaborate with others when creating your submission, you will need express permission from the administrators beforehand. (emphasis added)

To qualify, you must set up the shot and make all artistic decisions yourself. Your assistant must be acting essentially as a remote control, pressing the shutter button when you tell them to do so.

~Terry


I've often wondered about that myself, facetiously;

Let's suppose I have a friend going to visit Geneva, a place I used to live at. And let's suppose I have a shot I want to take, and I have a print of that shot, from many years ago. And let's suppose I tell my friend, "I shot this at 5:35 PM on March 9th, 1958; please go there at the same time/date and frame this shot up exactly as it is in this print, set the camera at f/16, ISO 200, 1/125 exposure, RAW capture, and push the shutter for me, then mail me the original file."

Technically, have I not complied with the rule?

This is tongue-in-cheek, but I do wonder :-)

R.


03/10/2006 07:29:12 PM · #11
Bear..LOL..you surprise me. Actually, I think I would clearly decline that as being legal.

As for writing Heida, I definately wouldn't have her be the one you write to mattmac. Her style is too well known :)

Rose
 03/10/2006 07:29:13 PM · #12
That depends. Do the rules take time travel into account? - That could cause all sorts of problems.
 03/10/2006 07:42:03 PM · #13
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
cheat... cheating... more cheating... totally the cheat...
R.

Consider the "Don't ask, Don't tell" clause of the DPC unwritten rules. ;-)
 03/10/2006 07:48:31 PM · #14
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
I've often wondered about that myself, facetiously;

Let's suppose I have a friend going to visit Geneva, a place I used to live at. And let's suppose I have a shot I want to take, and I have a print of that shot, from many years ago. And let's suppose I tell my friend, "I shot this at 5:35 PM on March 9th, 1958; please go there at the same time/date and frame this shot up exactly as it is in this print, set the camera at f/16, ISO 200, 1/125 exposure, RAW capture, and push the shutter for me, then mail me the original file."

Technically, have I not complied with the rule?

This is tongue-in-cheek, but I do wonder :-)

R.


Well I guess it might be okay, as long as you sent your camera with your friend. But just make sure you get it back in time for the next challenge:)
 03/10/2006 07:56:58 PM · #15
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
I've often wondered about that myself, facetiously;

Let's suppose I have a friend going to visit Geneva, a place I used to live at. And let's suppose I have a shot I want to take, and I have a print of that shot, from many years ago. And let's suppose I tell my friend, "I shot this at 5:35 PM on March 9th, 1958; please go there at the same time/date and frame this shot up exactly as it is in this print, set the camera at f/16, ISO 200, 1/125 exposure, RAW capture, and push the shutter for me, then mail me the original file."

Technically, have I not complied with the rule?

This is tongue-in-cheek, but I do wonder :-)

R.


If you have enough time to think of things like this, you have enough time to fly to Geneva and take the shot your own darned self! :-Þ

~Terry
 03/10/2006 08:06:57 PM · #16
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
If you have enough time to think of things like this, you have enough time to fly to Geneva and take the shot your own darned self! :-Þ

~Terry


But that takes all the challenge out of it. Reproducing a photo that way sounds like really hard work. Unless his friend is a master photographer too.
 03/10/2006 08:15:18 PM · #17
As I understand it, this photo of Apataki Atoll was taken by one or more high school students using a remotely-controlled Kodak DSC760 mounted on the ISS -- could they enter that if the EXIF info remains intact when the file's downloaded?

Flying there to push the shutter manually is probably impractical given the challenge timetables ...
 03/10/2006 08:48:59 PM · #18
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Technically, have I not complied with the rule?


No. "...you must be the one who set up the shot and configured the camera." In this scenario, you told someone ELSE how to set up and configure the camera, but you didn't actually do it. In GeneralE's example of a remotely-controlled camera, the photographer is still personally controlling the camera, albeit from a distance.

Message edited by author 2006-03-10 20:49:11.
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