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03/05/2006 07:29:37 AM · #1 |
I have been considering buying a canon Eos 20d with the lens kit, but I was wondering would it be better (considering I am an amateur), to get a 10d body, because it's cheaper, with an L lens - canon 17-40 perhaps?
Otheriwise, would it be worthwhile sticking with the stanrad lens and upgrading in future? unless there is a cheap alternative or starting out with the 20d body
I am mainly interested in landscapes/wildlife photography...
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03/05/2006 07:51:52 AM · #2 |
Well, either will do you very well for Wildlife photography because they are both very good in the imaging department.
I think that the 20D will do you better here though because with long lenses, you often need a bit of ISO bump to keep your shutter speed fast enough for those jumpy animals.
I understand that the 10d is quite good overall, but the 20D has noise characteristics around 3 stops better (ISO 200 on the 10D is like ISO 800 on the 20D).
This means that you can shoot ISO 400 if you want to and instead of shooting 1/125, you are suddenly shooting 1/500.
As far as the Landscape, this is the other end of the spectrum. You will probably be looking for a high quality Wide angle lens.
Here again, the 20D wins out because of the EF-S standard which was introduced after the 10D. Most notably, you would probably be looking at the Canon 10-22mm lens which comes with rave reviews from some very reputable people (such as bear_music).
I don't know if you can or cannot use the Tokina 12-24 f/4.0 on a 10D, someone else can comment there, and I understand it's a great alternative, but if you are really serious, you should at least weigh the Canon 10-22mm in the balance.
If it was me, I'd say that the 10-22mm with a 20D is a pretty killer mix for landscapes that gives the 10D with a 17-40L a serious run for it's money. I am going to hazard a guess that it will work out cheaper in the long run too. |
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03/05/2006 07:51:59 AM · #3 |
Landscapes - wide angle (under 50mm)
wildlife - telephotot (400mm pus)
SOOO, there is not cheap telephoto in the 400+ range. The best value might be the sigma 70-300 APO super 2 for $199. Sharp all the way out to 300mm. The best choice might be the 'bigma' - sigma 50-500 for $1000.
Wide angle lenses: there are many good ones. since you generally shoot landscapes at higher F stops even the kit lens would be fine for this.
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03/05/2006 08:27:27 AM · #4 |
Put your money in good glass. It is a lot cheaper to upgrade a camera body than it is lenses.
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03/05/2006 10:07:09 AM · #5 |
yeah i second that.
Buy the 10D, and get good glass.
You can always upgrade your camera, a better, cheaper one will be out in a year... or you will probably be able to get the 20D next year for the price of a 10D now. the L glass will hold it's value very long.
An L lens, and 10D camera is a much better setup than 20D or poor glass. A 1D mark II wouldn't be a good camera if you had cheap glass in front of it.
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03/05/2006 11:13:11 AM · #6 |
Don't know what going price is on ebay but KEH has a respectable team when they buy sell gear. They have a 10D body for 645.00 right now, and a few other bodies D60, Rebels etc.
In the the Advanced search select Canon Digital from the first drop-down and Bodies in the second drop-down to see what they have.
The 10D is listed as excellent which usually means not in original box, no manuals(this one has all the fixins except CF) and some signs of use...
ED: Oh yeah, and hit the GO button the site is kind of stupid in that it doesn't filter as you select...
Message edited by author 2006-03-05 11:22:17.
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03/05/2006 11:18:50 AM · #7 |
I have the 10D, can't really justify a move to 20D or the 30D, I am as yet undecided about moving to the 5D.
The 10D is perfect for your needs, the glass is the important thing, go for the best glass you can afford and don't hang around waiting for the better body until you have mastered dSLRs.
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03/05/2006 11:22:00 AM · #8 |
the 10D is, was, a good camera. It is now 3 generations/models old. The 30D is the new one, so the 20D is the old one, and so the 10D is the grandpa camera. A lot was updated and improved to get to the 20D.
Most any pro glass is good - sigma's EX line, Tamron's SP line, Tokina's Pro line, and of course canon's L glass - but much of canon's L lenses cost as much or more than the body itself. You get better value with pro quality third party lenses.
You can read reviews at //www.fredmiranda.com.
As an example, the canon 16-35 or the 17-40 or tamron 17-35. all are good. I doubt you or anyone could tell which lens took what pic if you laid them out all beside eachother.
Your wallet can tell the difference - the 16-35 is $1399, the 17-40 $639 and the Tamron is $449 after rebate. (b&h prices)
The best advice is to get a good lens for the moajority of shooting you do and then when you need faster, or wider or longer then get another lens.
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03/05/2006 01:13:04 PM · #9 |
I own two 10Ds and ordered a 30D mainly for the spot meter. The 20D (like the 10D) both have 9% partial meters and the same shutter life. Therefore, to me, an upgrade to the 20D would have offered me nothing I needed to get the kind of pictures I want to shoot.
As a matter of fact, I prefer the 10D to the 20D, because it feels better in hand (larger size/greater weight and a formed hand grip) and appears sturdier than the latter. This is why I have decided to keep my 10Ds even after I've purchased the 30D.
I'm already used to travel and moving around with quite a bit of equipment (it keeps me in shape :-) and won't mind lugging another 750g. I'll keep a telephoto on one body, a wide lens on the other and a normal lens on the third (good-bye, sensor dust!).
I believe that outside of the pure pro bodies, the 10D is and, so far, appears to remain the best body Canon ever made. Under these circumstances and considering the going current prices, I can only recommend considering this camera as an excellent used buy for the OP. |
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03/05/2006 01:28:57 PM · #10 |
I would not recommend a used 10D. It's now three generations old now. The start up time it takes to start, wake up from sleep, turn off, write images, prepare an image for review is just too long now.
If you are looking at Canon's I'd recommend an XT or a used 20D, especially after the 30D comes out. Although I'd doubt many will sell the 20D to upgrade, I'm more likely to think that many XT owners may after a year with the XT.
I also agree with not getting the kit lens. A 17-40 would be a great choice. Seeing as money is a factor, another option is to get a Tamron 17-35mm lens instead. It's also a very good lens and about $450, which would allow a few hundred for the body. If you are into landscapes, I'd actually recommend an ultrawide like the $470 Sigma 10-20mm as I don't think 17mm may not be wide enough at times.
Lastly, I'd recommend a new Nikon D50. Body itself is just at $500 and I think it's currently the best deal in dslr's.
Message edited by author 2006-03-05 13:30:39.
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03/05/2006 01:55:33 PM · #11 |
| The 20d has significant improvements over the 10d. As others have said its 3 generations old now. Look for a used 20d and the best glass you can afford. Check out photo.net I have had much success buying and selling there. |
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03/05/2006 02:03:53 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by zeuszen:
I own two 10Ds and ordered a 30D mainly for the spot meter. The 20D (like the 10D) both have 9% partial meters and the same shutter life. Therefore, to me, an upgrade to the 20D would have offered me nothing I needed to get the kind of pictures I want to shoot.
As a matter of fact, I prefer the 10D to the 20D, because it feels better in hand (larger size/greater weight and a formed hand grip) and appears sturdier than the latter. This is why I have decided to keep my 10Ds even after I've purchased the 30D.
I'm already used to travel and moving around with quite a bit of equipment (it keeps me in shape :-) and won't mind lugging another 750g. I'll keep a telephoto on one body, a wide lens on the other and a normal lens on the third (good-bye, sensor dust!).
I believe that outside of the pure pro bodies, the 10D is and, so far, appears to remain the best body Canon ever made. Under these circumstances and considering the going current prices, I can only recommend considering this camera as an excellent used buy for the OP. |
This all makes sense IF low-light performance is not an issue for the shooter. The 20D has much-superior low-light performance, as far as noise generation goes, than the 10D.
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03/05/2006 02:05:12 PM · #13 |
I also don't agree that the 30D represents a third "generation"; it's just an incremental upgrade of the 20D. For me, a third generation would involve improved sensors, and the 30D uses the same sensor as the 20D. But that's just my opinion...
R.
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03/05/2006 02:45:52 PM · #14 |
thanks alot for the advice.
I'm thinking about perhaps going for the 20d, and practising for a while with the cheap kit lens to get an idea of what sort of lens I want to upgrade to....
the tamron 17-35 looks interesting..
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03/05/2006 02:51:52 PM · #15 |
| I second what Yido said. A Canon 350D (or Nikon D50) might make more sense than a 10D if you can't afford the 20D. The kit lens will be fine to get you started, and since I don't see many recommendations for wildlife, let me just add that the newer Canon 70-300 IS would be a good choice (albeit a little pricey). Be sure to add the Canon 50mm f/1.8 regardless (for $70, everybody must own this lens). |
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