Is this allowed? - DPChallenge Forums

03/04/2006 06:03:27 AM · #1

After cropping, I have a small edge left. Can I clone that out in advanced editing? It does not add anything to the image, it's minor.
(You know, after you rotate a pic using the crop tool and the selection edges outside the photo line, leaving a white area)

Thanks :)

Artifacts

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

03/04/2006 06:11:03 AM · #2

Advanced rules state:

"Cloning, dodging, burning, etc. to improve your photo or remove imperfections or minor distracting elements, etc. is acceptable. However, using any editing tools to duplicate, create, or move major elements of your photograph is not permitted."

Your modification sounds fine but it is always a good idea to check with SC if there is a question in your mind.

Carl Zeiss Planar T 50mm f/1.7

03/04/2006 07:20:35 AM · #3

Thanks. It is not a major element, just a small corner. Hmmmm...

tryals15

Canon EOS-1Ds Mark II

03/04/2006 07:21:13 AM · #4

I'm interested in the verdict as well... I'll be watching. =]

David.C

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.8D

03/04/2006 06:04:56 PM · #5

Based on previous DQs, and If I am understanding you correctly, I would have to say NO!

If what you have is a small corner of the underlying canvas made visible by rotating and cropping, covering that area with anything is creating a part of the image.

TooCool recently had an image of a gravestone DQed because he extended the image with a canvas the same color as the background (snow). Probably a bit more extensive that what you are asking about, but it is the way the rulings have gone in the past.

David

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

03/04/2006 06:07:05 PM · #6

Well, I recieved the verdict from SC and they said I should be fine as long as I am removing a minor distraction.

:) Yay!

ClubJuggle

Canon EOS-400D Rebel XTi

03/04/2006 06:12:13 PM · #7

Jennifer,

I'm not sure that your description in the ticket let us to accurately picture what you are doing. Any way you could reply to our response with a picture of what you are doing, so we can get a better idea?

Thanks,

~Terry

03/04/2006 06:14:01 PM · #8

Originally posted by ClubJuggle:

Sure, not a problem.

yanko

Carl Zeiss 50mm ZE f/1.4 Planar T for Canon

03/04/2006 06:18:18 PM · #9

I'm confused. Are you asking if you could clone out a small group of white pixels or add pixels to an area that doesn't contain any? There's a big difference between the two.

03/04/2006 06:19:55 PM · #10

Ok, i sent it. (I was just supposed to reply through my email, right?)

Nikon AF Micro-Nikkor 60mm f2.8D

03/04/2006 06:22:57 PM · #11

Originally posted by yanko:

I'm confused. Are you asking if you could clone out a small group of white pixels or add pixels to an area that doesn't contain any? There's a big difference between the two.

Let me try and describe this better :)

When you use the crop tool, and the crop edges extend past your image border, you are left with white where the image extended past.

I rotated my image, and was therefore left with a small white triangle in the corner of my image. I cloned that out with black.

David Ey

Nikon D80

03/04/2006 06:33:56 PM · #12

Well, there was several ways to avoid this problem and stay well within the rules.

Move farther away from subject.
Use in-camra zoom.
Compose photo before shooting.
Crop smaller.
Rotate before crop.

I'm sure there are many other ways. Whatever answer you get from SC you have no assurance this same person or group will be making the decision next time or that the circumstances will be exactly the same. Next time your change could be concidered a major element.

Message edited by author 2006-03-04 18:36:25.

yanko

Carl Zeiss 50mm ZE f/1.4 Planar T for Canon

03/04/2006 06:35:52 PM · #13

Originally posted by JRalston:

Originally posted by yanko:
I'm confused. Are you asking if you could clone out a small group of white pixels or add pixels to an area that doesn't contain any? There's a big difference between the two.

Let me try and describe this better :)

When you use the crop tool, and the crop edges extend past your image border, you are left with white where the image extended past.

I rotated my image, and was therefore left with a small white triangle in the corner of my image. I cloned that out with black.

I don't think that would be allowed but I'm not SC. The way I understand it is that would be extending the photo image (adding pixels that wasn't there). Only adding a border (that does the same thing) is allowed.

03/04/2006 06:39:45 PM · #14

Well, I am keeping my fingers crossed. I'll cry...LOL!

03/04/2006 06:41:06 PM · #15

Originally posted by David Ey:

Well, there was several ways to avoid this problem and stay well within the rules.

Move farther away from subject.
Use in-camra zoom.
Compose photo before shooting.
Crop smaller.
Rotate before crop.

I didn't think I was going to rotate the image how I did until I sat down at the computer. It was composed just fine for my original plan, but I liked plan B better :)

03/04/2006 06:50:58 PM · #16

For all that are interested, I emailed the pics to SC as requested and this was the response:

"Yes, cloning in that corner in the way you've done is minor. If it were a larger space, or if you were adding detail in there, it would be different."

So, I am ok. WHEEEEEEW! Now I can relax till tomorrow when the update button appears. LOL

Thanks for your help everyone & SC.

yanko