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 03/02/2006 07:54:49 PM · #1
Is there a way that I can submit my challenge entry and my original prior to the start of the challenge, and be told whether I may DQ'd or not? I'm worried about some of my editing and I would hate to submit and then just get kicked. I don't want to just have it available if they'll need it, I want someone to tell me if I went too far.
03/02/2006 07:57:05 PM · #2
You can re-quest a pre-validation by sending a note to the Admins from the Contact Page explaining your situation.

- Lee
 03/02/2006 07:57:57 PM · #3
Thanks, Lee. I don't want to get smacked down for removing a major element. Or adding one.
 03/02/2006 07:58:06 PM · #4
Originally posted by larryslights:
Is there a way that I can submit my challenge entry and my original prior to the start of the challenge, and be told whether I may DQ'd or not? I'm worried about some of my editing and I would hate to submit and then just get kicked. I don't want to just have it available if they'll need it, I want someone to tell me if I went too far.


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~Terry
 03/02/2006 08:25:48 PM · #5
feel free to open a ticket using the "contact us" link in the "help" menu above! :) Don't forget to attach your original and link your entry and tell us what your editing steps were too.

edit: I forgot to hit "post" and I see its already been answered!

Message edited by author 2006-03-02 20:26:56.
 03/02/2006 08:27:10 PM · #6
Terry has replied to my inquiry, and I have sent him my entry and my editing steps.

Thanks.
 03/02/2006 08:34:35 PM · #7
Thanks Larry.

We have both files; we'll look them over and get back to you ASAP.

~Terry
 03/02/2006 09:01:26 PM · #8
Originally posted by Tranquil:
You can re-quest a pre-validation by sending a note to the Admins from the Contact Page explaining your situation.


so the results from using this Contacts is FINAL?
Or are we still possible to get DQ'ed later on during/after voting?
 03/02/2006 10:25:37 PM · #9
Originally posted by crayon:
so the results from using this Contacts is FINAL?
Or are we still possible to get DQ'ed later on during/after voting?


The concensus in the past has been that there is no such thing as a pre-validation. What you get is the opinion of one or more S/C members...
 03/02/2006 10:30:42 PM · #10
Originally posted by TooCool:
Originally posted by crayon:
so the results from using this Contacts is FINAL?
Or are we still possible to get DQ'ed later on during/after voting?


The concensus in the past has been that there is no such thing as a pre-validation. What you get is the opinion of one or more S/C members...


My point exactly.
But the SC's pre-voting decision should be final, since we used the proper "channel" to Contact them, their responses should represent the Site and not their personal ones? Thanks
 03/02/2006 10:58:59 PM · #11
We try. BUT, there exists the possibility that the "original" could change between pre-validation and the challenge. Or, the photog decides to add another step or two after pre-validation. Or, in an effort to get back to the member in a timely manner, not all opinions are heard. etc. etc. etc.

That said, I cannot recall a single instance of someone asking for prevalidation and then us dq'ing it. The "personal ones" you are referring to is never just one opinion. On the ones I've seen/"voted on" there are usually 5 or 6.
 03/02/2006 11:19:02 PM · #12
Originally posted by karmat:
We try. BUT, there exists the possibility that the "original" could change between pre-validation and the challenge. Or, the photog decides to add another step or two after pre-validation. Or, in an effort to get back to the member in a timely manner, not all opinions are heard. etc. etc. etc.


Thanks for the clearing up :)
Yes, you hit a valid point about a "pre-validated" image which got altered before submission. But lets keep that off the possibilities (for now) - it's giving me a headache, lol. So assuming the "pre-validated" image is the very same on as the submitted one, then can we safely say, it will never get DQ'ed for illegal editing?

p/s: if you lose the original, you're still in for a DQ, lol!
 03/02/2006 11:41:04 PM · #13
Originally posted by karmat:
We try. BUT, there exists the possibility that the "original" could change between pre-validation and the challenge. Or, the photog decides to add another step or two after pre-validation. Or, in an effort to get back to the member in a timely manner, not all opinions are heard. etc. etc. etc.

That said, I cannot recall a single instance of someone asking for prevalidation and then us dq'ing it. The "personal ones" you are referring to is never just one opinion. On the ones I've seen/"voted on" there are usually 5 or 6.


I have specifically used the words "pre validation" in the past and have asked for such PRE challenge and was told under no uncertain terms that there "was NO such thing as a pre challenge validation, only opinions and NO guarantees once it goes in for challenge". Since when did these rules change? Toocool is right and surely those threads are still around for the visit? It had nothing to do with something changing after challenge went in, or me changing something in the photo later. I was simply told there was no such thing and I could ONLY receive opinions pre challenge. At the time I was not prepared to send in any challenge entry for "an opinion" when council themselves enter challenges, so why would I want to give away my entry from an anon position without any guarantees and only for an opinion? My argument was that for that matter why not just post the entry full blown in the forums and ask everyone? BUT that is just the way it was - NO SUCH THING I was told. One council member wrote me and told me they would not be entering challenge and if I wanted to ask her opinion, I may, but to remember once again "it was only an opinion" and the majority of council had to agree if it became an actual ticket for validation during challenge.

SO THEN, why is this person being told "sure! just send it in as a ticket, no problem!"???????

Rose

Message edited by author 2006-03-02 23:45:27.
 03/03/2006 09:29:28 AM · #14
Rose, what you are asking about is a matter of semantics. While we use the term "pre-validation" if you will re-read my post, you will see that it does not guarantee validity once voting starts. You will also see that Clubjuggle and I both stated that whatever opinion was given would be just that, an opinion.

So, this person is being told to send it in as a ticket if they wish to get the SC's opinion on their entry beforehand. Just as you were told/asked/offered, and you chose not to, for reasons of your own.
 03/03/2006 09:42:28 AM · #15
I recently asked for a "pre-validation" and was told my picture should be ok but that it was only looked at by a couple of the SC and was only their opinion. So yes, when they "pre-validate" it they do tell you it wasnt looked at by everyone(or at least a majority of SC), like a dq is. So yes, I took it that for the few people that looked at it, they would not DQ it but it was only a few peoples opinion.
 03/03/2006 09:47:43 AM · #16
Originally posted by Kivet:
So yes, when they "pre-validate" it they do tell you it wasnt looked at by everyone(or at least a majority of SC), like a dq is.


Even if only a few SC members look at the image that's usually enough. The vast majority of edits are clearly legal or illegal, and if it's borderline we'll certainly tell you so (and get more opinions before we do).
 03/03/2006 09:53:11 AM · #17
I've asked for an opinion a couple of times by sending a PM to a SC person or two. Opinion was given, once it was ok and I submitted without hesitation, the other time was borderline and I took another approach to be safe.

Bottom line is, you have to have some trust in the SC members. Worrying about how they would vote/score my image never even crossed my mind.
 03/03/2006 10:13:18 AM · #18
Originally posted by karmat:
Rose, what you are asking about is a matter of semantics. While we use the term "pre-validation" if you will re-read my post, you will see that it does not guarantee validity once voting starts. You will also see that Clubjuggle and I both stated that whatever opinion was given would be just that, an opinion.

So, this person is being told to send it in as a ticket if they wish to get the SC's opinion on their entry beforehand. Just as you were told/asked/offered, and you chose not to, for reasons of your own.


Sorry Karmat, but it is not semantics. I asked for pre-validation on my Fairy Godmother entry and was told there was no such thing. Only opinions could be received. And thanks for the clarification on "g" in Clubjuggle. Without that emphasis, I may have never have remembered it was a "g", even though that emphasis didn't pertain to this thread.

I am just concerned that Crayon seemed to be under the assumption that a "prevalidation" means there won't be a DQ on the image once entered. There really are no such guarantees, and from what I read on this thread, which seemed to be vastly different then my own at the time I asked, I think it should have been made more clear that ...

1. If you send your entry to council you will only get opinions and no guarantees
2. It may not be seen by all council, depending on when it is sent in verses who in council is available to opinionate it

And my own belief one should consider is that council, at times, also enter contests and therefore are or "can be" your direct competition. So it is the sole decision of the person wanting prevalidation if they want to give up anon to a possible other entrant by showing their entry to ALL council through a ticket, rather than to one or two whom you know or are told are not entering the contest.

Just so there are no misunderstandings.

Rose

Message edited by author 2006-03-03 10:15:08.
 03/03/2006 10:28:54 AM · #19
Originally posted by Rose8699:

And my own belief one should consider is that council, at times, also enter contests and therefore are or "can be" your direct competition. So it is the sole decision of the person wanting prevalidation if they want to give up anon to a possible other entrant by showing their entry to ALL council through a ticket, rather than to one or two whom you know or are told are not entering the contest.

Just so there are no misunderstandings.

Rose


I really don't understand all this paranoia..this is a friendly contest with NO PRIZES..if someone takes the time to be on the SC I can only say 'way to go and thanks' not worry that they are my "direct competition"...what are they going to do..make a poor judgement so they can win a ribbon..yeah right..
The SC has been perfectly clear in this thread..this is just nuts..
 03/03/2006 10:31:18 AM · #20
Originally posted by bucket:
I really don't understand all this paranoia..this is a friendly contest with NO PRIZES..if someone takes the time to be on the SC I can only say 'way to go and thanks' not worry that they are my "direct competition"...what are they going to do..make a poor judgement so they can win a ribbon..yeah right..
The SC has been perfectly clear in this thread..this is just nuts..

I think the concern is that if the SC sees your entry before the competition then you've lost anonymity, with the result that you're going to get voted 1's from the SC.

It's part of the Grand SC Conspiracy.
03/03/2006 10:45:10 AM · #21
What is being said by the past two posters is not my intention.

However, one must remember that although they are "site council" at DPC, they are still only human by nature. If they have an entry they LOVE and are excited to enter, just as we all do for the most part, and then have someone send them an entry which is absolutely amazing and for prevalidation, I am not going to say that as "robots" they will have no reaction.

Voting a photo down never entered my mind. I didn't think at all or refer to them voting down the image. I think that would be ludicrous. However, having said that, it doesn't stop them from changing their own image entry, or deciding not to enter theirs and wait out another challenge.

If I placed an image online that I wanted to enter, and someone who was entering that challenge felt mine was superior to theirs, just think about what may be done? Maybe they would reshoot? Maybe they would not enter? Well, same could happen with the humanoids on council.LOL. They are not robots or machines.

So, the bottom line really is that yes, they are council, and yes, it is the sole descretion of whoever wants prevalidation to send in their entry to all council, but just keep in mind that council does enter and does vote. They are not just council, but participators of the site. This may not concern others at all, in which case, just discard my own opinion or statement on this matter. However, it is just food for thought and not something that was brought up on this thread. Some newbies, for example, may be unaware of this - that council also participate as any other member. I just wanted this to be spoken so they do know. I know I didn't know when I joined and not until much later on. So this is for others that don't also know. I thought council was only council, and did not participate in the contests as some don't at other sites.

That was the intention of bringing that up, and I certainly did not mean or try to imply that council would vote down a good photo. Ridiculous.

Rose

Message edited by author 2006-03-03 10:45:52.
 03/03/2006 10:50:23 AM · #22
Paranoia strikes deep! Into your life it will creep. It starts when your always afraid, to step out of line or the man'll come and take you away....

It's so evident the SC conspiracy is alive and well! Just look at all those ribbon-winning photos they each have! See how frequently they solicit talented members to pre-validate their entries so they can reshoot their own! Look how they gang up on "superior" images and vote them all 1's...it's so clear from their average vote given stats! How did I not see this before?!

ROFL!!!!!!
 03/03/2006 10:53:11 AM · #23
Hey, Rose, here's an idea: don't vote in challenges you enter (that's what I do). Or, the other way around, don't enter challenges where you want to vote.
 03/03/2006 10:53:36 AM · #24
One way or another it's questioning the integrity of the SC, and belongs with all the other 'Grand SC Conspiracy' theories.
03/03/2006 11:02:32 AM · #25
Originally posted by ursula:
Hey, Rose, here's an idea: don't vote in challenges you enter (that's what I do). Or, the other way around, don't enter challenges where you want to vote.


I don't understand what this has to do with the subject at hand, or what I said? Could you explain?

Rose
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