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 02/24/2006 01:38:44 PM · #1
OK, yet another "which should I get" question.
As I'm really only just starting out and not looking to spend a TON of cash on a camera (yet), I've been looking at the cameras that are a generation or two old. Here's my concern...

I've heard that the older canon's (10d) lens mounts aren't compatible with the new lenses. True? This comes from canon changing there mounts every now and then.
The Nikon d50, while newer apparently really is an entry level dSLR and functions like one.
One other option is Minolta as my dad-in-law has a film minolta and a bunch of lenses. Anyone know of those would be compatible with the 5d/7d?
Thanks all.
 02/24/2006 01:49:31 PM · #2
Until 85 or so canon used FD mount (mechanical) and since then EF (electrical) mounts on their lenses. The 300D, 20D, 350 and 30D can also take EF-S lenses, the 10D cannot. There are about 5 EF-S lenses out there so that is not really an issue.

I think the older Minolta lenses will work on the newer cameras. I'd be wary as Minolta has left the camera business - they sold it all off to Sony about 2 months ago, so there is no guarantee what Sony may do to change things.

While the D50 is an entrly level camera, so is the 300D. The 10D is a pro body that predates the 300D by 6 months or so. YOu can get 'the hack' firmware update for the 300D and get most of the functions of the 10D (free 10 minute operation). It was always assumed the 300D had a 50,000 life shutter and the 10/20D a 100k one. BUT the 30D is promoted as longer lasting than the 20D and rated at 100k....so the 300D mght be 25k and the 10/20D 50k...so when/if buying used try and find out how many shutter actuations there have been.

The more impoortant decision is what system so you want to buy into. Bodies come and go, lenses tend to last.
 02/24/2006 01:49:40 PM · #3
Originally posted by sdunsmoor:
...I've heard that the older canon's (10d) lens mounts aren't compatible with the new lenses. True? ..


All EF lenses are compatible. EF-S lenses are not.

ΓΆ€ΒΆ Oops, fate beat me to it.

Message edited by author 2006-02-24 13:50:51.
 02/24/2006 01:56:47 PM · #4
re: mount - it's not exactly true. The 10D has a EF mount so it will take all standard EOS lenses. This represents 99% new lenses for Canon mounts. What it won't take is EF-S lenses, which are designed specifically for their digitial lines, specifically the 300D, 20D/Da, and 350XT. I think that's all of the Canon's that take the EF-S mount. I wouldn't worry about running out of lens selection anytime soon. The only EF-S lens I own is the kit one.

While the d50 is "entry level" as you put it, it's also what, 2-3 years newer then 10D? Digital cameras is one of those areas where the entry level of today is as good or better then the pro level of 2-3 years ago. It's the benefit of progress.

* heh - also took too long crafting my response and verifying my facts. Guess I'd make a bad reporter. :)

Message edited by author 2006-02-24 13:57:50.
 02/24/2006 03:19:29 PM · #5
Hey thanks guys. The lens question was my biggest concern and for some reason, the point about today's entry levels being as good as yesterday's pro cameras, was missed by me all this time.

So, while I'm still batting back and forth between the d50 and the 300d, at least I'm able to remove the 10d from consideration. While the ef-s lenses are only a minor class of canon lenses, I'm sure that will change.

As for Minolta, I hope by the time I step into a dSLR, Sony will have answered the question about how they'll deal with future Minolta type cameras. If not, their loss! Heheh

Thanks again.
 02/24/2006 04:08:09 PM · #6
Originally posted by colema19:
While the d50 is "entry level" as you put it, it's also what, 2-3 years newer then 10D? Digital cameras is one of those areas where the entry level of today is as good or better then the pro level of 2-3 years ago.


You must be joking. The D50 is even lower-specced than the original 300D, which is by FAR the lowest end DSLR canon ever made. The 300D isn't in the same league as the 10D - the first is a fiddly plastic toy camera built to last six months, the second a semi-pro camera with amazing features for the price it goes for now, and a very solidly-built body outdone only by the 1D series. The only thing the two have in common is the DIGIC-1 processor, and a similar sensor. The 300D and D50 both shoot an embarassing 2.5fps, and the D50's iso ranges only from 200 to 1600. That's really selling yourself rather short, and when combined with Nikon's relatively outdated lens system (not trying to start a nikon vs canon debate, but...), would leave you rather lacking.
 02/24/2006 04:11:13 PM · #7
This DPReview link might be of use to you. Also, some sensor noise samples might come in handy: D50 compared to D70 and Pentax *ist and 20D compared to 10D (with its own samples)

I would definitely urge you to get the 10D over the 300D... the EF-S lenses are really not worth that compromise in quality, and they are certainly not the future of the EOS anyhow, as Canon's 1.6 crop cameras are still a minority of the market.

Message edited by author 2006-02-24 16:13:08.
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