How to stop the attacks on commenters....maybe

Carl Zeiss Planar T 50mm f/1.7

02/23/2006 12:46:32 PM · #1

Some possible solutions to stop people verbally abusing commenters during challenges..........

1. Disable pm capabilities for any person entered into a challenge for the duration of that challenges voting period.
This will stop people emailing bitchy messages about any comment received and possible low score that was given to them and may give them time to â��cool downâ�� before over reacting and going off onto one.

or

2. Make all comments anonymous.
All anonymity will be discarded at the end of the challenge, but again, the person receiving the comment will have had time to â��calm downâ�� from the vicious attack on their perfect piece of art.

or

3. When the update button is pressed, update the scores as usual, but only update comments on the hour. This way no one will be able to put 2+2 together and work out what score that commenter had possibly given them as there will several comments coming in at once and will have no relation to the rise or loss in that persons avg. score.

Sure, there are going to be flaws in this, but I was bored and just started thinking.

tryals15

Canon EOS-1Ds Mark II

02/23/2006 12:47:51 PM · #2

Maybe we could just have a massive beat down? =]

frisca

Nikon D70

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.8D

02/23/2006 12:48:41 PM · #3

I think your option #2 is the simpliest and most workable for this problem. :)

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

02/23/2006 12:52:37 PM · #4

Originally posted by frisca:

I think your option #2 is the simpliest and most workable for this problem. :)

but tryals suggestion seems the most fun!

Bear_Music

Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra

02/23/2006 12:54:42 PM · #5

Originally posted by frisca:

I think your option #2 is the simpliest and most workable for this problem. :)

I've had several occasions where bagheads have made truly mean-spirited, aggressive comments and then, before the challenge has rolled over, replaced them with inoccuous "nice shot" comments. So that's the other side of the coin: anonymity prtotects the commenter from retaliation, but encourages mean-spirited comments from those inclined in that direction.

I suppose, in the aggregate, I'm in favor of anonymity-of-commenters until rollover, but I'd miss the little thrill I get when someone I respect highly comments favorably on an image of mine that's otherwise doing poorly.

R.

thegrandwazoo

Nikon D750

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

02/23/2006 12:54:57 PM · #6

Its sad that people blast commenters as it prevents people from commenting.

I really want the feedback on my images and I am just not recieving any.

I would like to have a massive beatdown on those who vote a 1-2-3 and leave no comment as to why they gave such a low score.

This is MHO

Best Regards

02/23/2006 12:57:34 PM · #7

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

make it so comments can't be edited?

Beetle

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

02/23/2006 12:59:37 PM · #8

Or we could give people the option to tick if they want comments or not.

The ones who really want them, agree not to moan about negative comments.

People who don't want comments won't have to get any and therefore won't have to complain.

That way we could direct our critiquing efforts to where they are actually welcome, and would have way less complaining going on.

Bear_Music

Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

02/23/2006 01:02:24 PM · #9

Originally posted by UNCLEBRO:

Originally posted by Bear_Music:
I've had several occasions where bagheads have made truly mean-spirited, aggressive comments and then, before the challenge has rolled over, replaced them with inoccuous "nice shot" comments......

R.

make it so comments can't be edited?

I've thought of that, but many times I actually DO edit my comments, such as "Coming back to this over and over again, I like the way the xxx works against the yyy, bumping it up" or whatever, so I donno....

R.

thomaspeople

Pentax K50

Pentax DA L 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 AL

02/23/2006 01:05:40 PM · #10

Sorry, but although I don't get as many comments as some people, I value the comment whether it is kind or mean. If I get a harsh review, I like to go immediately to that person's profile to see if I should valus their opinion or figure they are no better than I am. And if I get a nice review, I want to know in what context to put the praise. I am less likely to do ths after the challenge is over as it is more poignant when it first pops up (one of the reasons I ponied up for that update button). I know that I am mediocre at best right now and try to remind myself of that when I comment. I want others to look at my profile and use the "grain of salt" rule with me.

Canon EF-S 17-85mm f/4-5.6 IS USM

02/23/2006 01:06:36 PM · #11

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by UNCLEBRO:

Originally posted by Bear_Music:
I've had several occasions where bagheads have made truly mean-spirited, aggressive comments and then, before the challenge has rolled over, replaced them with inoccuous "nice shot" comments......

R.

make it so comments can't be edited?

I've thought of that, but many times I actually DO edit my comments, such as "Coming back to this over and over again, I like the way the xxx works against the yyy, bumping it up" or whatever, so I donno....

R.

make it so comments can be added to but not taken away?
like having each comment go in the box like now and any additions will be put in a seperate box underneath that, making the original box untouchable?

dleach

Canon EOS-20D

02/23/2006 01:09:42 PM · #12

I turn off the commentor's name in my profile options... seems the right thing to do.

But another option is to turn off the visibility of comments till after the voting is over. That might be fun because then you get a whole bunch of comments at one time to review.

LoudDog

Canon EOS-350D Rebel XT

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM

02/23/2006 01:17:41 PM · #13

Make the people that cry about their comments in the forum regret doing it to the point that they won't do it again. Do it publicly so others can learn from the mistake.

langdon

Canon EOS-20D

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM

02/23/2006 01:23:39 PM · #14

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

If that's the case, these comments should be reported when they happen, depending on the severity. I noticed that the challenge_stats page isn't showing the report post button, so I will get it in there.

mpeters

Canon EOS-5D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

02/23/2006 01:26:42 PM · #15

I'm with Bear. I like receiving a comment from a respected photog during a challenge, espcecially if my entry is doing poorly.

NOw, my initial reaction to all the back and forth recently regarding commenting, ugly commenting, no commenting, bad scores from ugly commentators, and all other comments ad nauseum. ---

We, myself included, should grow thicker skins when someone harshly comments on our entry. And, it might be wise to check out who the comment came from and browse some of their other comments. This often reveals to me that the commentator who left the harsh comment does this randomly and without discretion to the quality of image he/she is commenting on.

Personally, I see this as a "mountain out of a molehill" from both sides of the aisle. Commentators should be constructive in their brutality(if they are so inclined), and they shouldn't be lambasted during or after a challenge with PM's/forum postings/whatever. Note I said "lambasted". However, I do think it is appropriate to ask a commentator to explain or clarify his/her comment.

OK, thats off my chest. Back to work. :)

mark

Edit to add: I am NOT referring to comments that slander a country, race, person etc. I'm talking about those uncomfortable, thoughtless, cold, comments that slam MY PHOTOGraphy!! :)

Message edited by author 2006-02-23 13:29:37.

Ecce_Signum

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM

02/23/2006 01:31:00 PM · #16

Originally posted by LoudDog:

Make the people that cry about their comments in the forum regret doing it to the point that they won't do it again. Do it publicly so others can learn from the mistake.

I for one deeply regret my outburst and whilst I 'learnt' not to do it again you can be sure I'll not be the last!

I like N02 (make comments anonymous) combined with only adding to a comment rather than editing it.

A 'cooling' off period is a great healer for anger.

mpeters

Canon EOS-5D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

02/23/2006 01:38:48 PM · #17

To offer my opinion on the original question. #2 seems to make the most sense if a change needs to be made.

I still don't think a change is necessary.

kiwinick

Sony DSLR-A550

Sony DT 18-70mm f/3.5-5.6 Aspherical ED Zoom Lens for Sony Alpha

02/23/2006 01:50:24 PM · #18

I'm Happy with the way things are I haven't had any bitchyness etc . Anyway a note to SC will sort the offender out .

kirbic

Canon EOS R5

Canon RF 24-70mm f/2.8 L IS

02/23/2006 01:52:12 PM · #19

FWIW, from a historical perspective, a long time ago, we did have completely anonymous commenting, but we moved away from it. The anonymity does open a loophole for "comment sniping" where a commentor leaves a turd anonymously, then comes back and edits prior to the end of voting.
I agree with a couple others that if anonymity *during voting* were universal, but comment editing was limited to additions (not only during voting but permanently) it could potentially eliminate both PM/comment wars during the challenge and the "comment sniping," at the cost of seeing who your commentors are during the challenge.
On this last, I have my preferences set to NOT show the commentor names during the challenge. I'd prefer to interpret the comment without the context of the author's name. I feel that this helps me to be more objective when looking at comments I receive.

zeuszen

Canon EOS-1Ds Mark II

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

02/23/2006 01:58:29 PM · #20

Originally posted by mpeters:

...I still don't think a change is necessary.

I agree. Let the commentators expose themselves, effectively allowing them to review their appearance. Anonymity would do nothing but allowing bad habits to flourish.

mpeters

Canon EOS-5D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

02/23/2006 02:12:44 PM · #21

Originally posted by zeuszen:

Originally posted by mpeters:
...I still don't think a change is necessary.

I agree. Let the commentators expose themselves, effectively allowing them to review their appearance. Anonymity would do nothing but allowing bad habits to flourish.

At least for a week until the bags are stripped away :)

yanko

Carl Zeiss 50mm ZE f/1.4 Planar T for Canon

02/23/2006 02:14:26 PM · #22

Originally posted by zeuszen:

I agree but I think the original point to the thread was those receiving the comments doing the harrassing and how to stop it. I don't really see a solution to this except maybe those that are getting comments to just ignore them or have a way not to disable receiving comments.

Message edited by author 2006-02-23 14:15:52.

digitalpins

Canon EOS-60D

Canon EF-S 10-22mm f/3.5-4.5 USM

02/23/2006 02:21:51 PM · #23

Originally posted by kiwinick:

I'm Happy with the way things are I haven't had any bitchyness etc.

Originally posted by mpeters:

I still don't think a change is necessary.

I agree, if I were to get any mean comments I just ignore them, I'm not gonna go hunt them down or look for their profile, you have to know how to take criticism, being a graphic designer I hear it alot, people may like something of your and others wont. Just simply ignore them.

And comment are helpful anyway.

zeuszen

Canon EOS-1Ds Mark II

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

02/23/2006 02:30:52 PM · #24

Originally posted by yanko:

Originally posted by zeuszen:

Originally posted by mpeters:
...I still don't think a change is necessary.

I agree. Let the commentators expose themselves, effectively allowing them to review their appearance. Anonymity would do nothing but allowing bad habits to flourish.

I agree but I think the original point to the thread was those receiving the comments doing the harrassing and how to stop it. I don't really see a solution to this except maybe those that are getting comments to just ignore them or have a way not to disable receiving comments.

There is a price to pay for any kind of public exposure. If I want to refuse that price, I can read and ignore, read and respond or read and react. If you don't want to receive any comments at all, hell, why not unplug and live off the land if you can find any not yet paved over. ;-/

Message edited by author 2006-02-23 14:33:32.

mattmac