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02/21/2006 10:50:52 PM · #26 |
it's exactly this type of thread that keeps me and, i feel sure, many others from commenting on anything except high scores. publicly calling someone out for a comment is completely unnecessary.
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02/21/2006 11:50:49 PM · #27 |
personally, I think anyone who PM's anyone else with an attack of any kind for ANY comment left in a challenge that doesn't violate the ToS, should be suspended or evicted.
that kind of behavior is what creates the atmosphere of fear of verbal retribution for honest citicism. take all comment you get gracefully and with a grain of salt regardless if you think you know where they came from and stfu.
*shoulda took that deep breath someone suggested* |
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02/21/2006 11:56:38 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by sher9204:
it's exactly this type of thread that keeps me and, i feel sure, many others from commenting on anything except high scores. publicly calling someone out for a comment is completely unnecessary. |
I comment alot and so far I haven't been too terribly abused. I've only had one person PM me to say I didn't get it - but it wasn't rude. I do get some clarification via PM sometimes, which I don't mind.
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02/21/2006 11:59:43 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
personally, I think anyone who PM's anyone else with an attack of any kind for ANY comment left in a challenge that doesn't violate the ToS, should be suspended or evicted.
that kind of behavior is what creates the atmosphere of fear of verbal retribution for honest citicism. take all comment you get gracefully and with a grain of salt regardless if you think you know where they came from and stfu.
*shoulda took that deep breath someone suggested* |
amen!
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02/22/2006 12:16:45 AM · #30 |
| hehe.. all that worrying and it still ribboned! |
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02/22/2006 12:38:10 AM · #31 |
Originally posted by MadMan2k:
hehe.. all that worrying and it still ribboned! |
Yeah I saw that - congratulations. I looked all through the comments and saw nothing that warranted this thread........... |
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02/22/2006 12:42:37 AM · #32 |
Originally posted by sher9204:
it's exactly this type of thread that keeps me and, i feel sure, many others from commenting on anything except high scores. publicly calling someone out for a comment is completely unnecessary. |
Originally posted by artroflmao:
personally, I think anyone who PM's anyone else with an attack of any kind for ANY comment left in a challenge that doesn't violate the ToS, should be suspended or evicted.
that kind of behavior is what creates the atmosphere of fear of verbal retribution for honest citicism. take all comment you get gracefully and with a grain of salt regardless if you think you know where they came from and stfu. |
Sher, I can appreciate your opinion, but I look at it from a different perspective...
Call me out anytime! I feel amused by those that are small minded enough to think that someone may not like their work... I enjoy photographers that have nothing at all to learn from negative comments. I appreciate that some may not like what I have to say but most take my comments as they are meant. PM me! Call me out! Make yourself look silly! I enjoy it. I need a good laugh every once in a while! :-)
Edited to add Ken's comment to quotes...
Message edited by author 2006-02-22 00:45:27. |
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02/22/2006 12:43:50 AM · #33 |
The person who made that comment tells it like it is, which is pretty startling compared to the typical comment here..
//www.dpchallenge.com/comment_browse.php?USER_ID=41428
EDIT: As he sees it anyways, may not always be 'like it is'
Message edited by author 2006-02-22 00:44:35. |
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02/22/2006 12:50:57 AM · #34 |
hah... I did the same thing... at least he took the time to comment (and comment on mine as well ;-) ). |
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02/22/2006 12:55:47 AM · #35 |
Dont get yourself too worked up over it. If you go through all his comments, for every nice comment (which often seem to be a back-handed compliment) he gives 10 negative ones... His "Not Original" comment on my submission for the same challenge certainly didnt do me any favors either...
I think its funny how people, and in this case a "professional" photographer, who have the most negative things to say, are those that don't participate in the challenges...
To me there is a difference between constructive criticism, and being rude, and comments like: "Not original", "There is a small ring on the lenes where you adjust the focus. Next time please use it.", and "Dumb and or duh. Weak setup." certainly come across as arrogant and rude.
Message edited by author 2006-02-22 01:21:59.
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02/22/2006 01:02:31 AM · #36 |
While I can agree that it would be hard to place any value in his comments, the thing to do is not mark them as helpful and forget about it. He is still entitled to his opinion. And I think these threads do way more damage to the participation of members than some possibly discouraging comments.
There are many pros, amateurs and everything in between whose comments I would love to receive without them fearing their opinions may be subject to public attack.
all I'll say. ...probably. :) |
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02/22/2006 01:06:31 AM · #37 |
An interesting fact to be considered is that the commentor has no scores shown on his profile...
Is it possible that the recipient of the comment perhaps jumped to an unfounded conclusion, and the 2 score was not generated by this individual.
Mucha ado about nothing.
Ray
Message edited by author 2006-02-22 01:08:10. |
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02/22/2006 01:08:22 AM · #38 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
An interesting fact to be considered is that the commentor has no scores shown on his profile...
Is it possible that the receiver of the comment perhaps jumped to an unfounded conclusion, and the 2 score was not generated by this individual.
Mucha ado about nothing.
Ray |
Yeah - guess what? He's not a member so he couldn't have even given it a score. ROFLMAO!!
edit - too busy laughing and shaking my head to type properly
Message edited by author 2006-02-22 01:09:18. |
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02/22/2006 01:18:55 AM · #39 |
Originally posted by Ecce Signum:
I am so pissed off right now by a 2 vote from a member (in Sins) who porports to be a professional yet puts down my image down as a "badly taken setup" |
How do you know he voted you a "2" ? I dont think he mentioned it on his comment, and neither will DPC show who voted what. This is weird!
And then, he said the photo looked like a setup, not accusing you of cheat. Setup means the subject are set in the way to be shot at?
Finally, you got a yellow ribbon, congrats :) I'm sure the photo was verified by the SC and all is well. cheers!
Message edited by author 2006-02-22 05:35:29. |
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02/22/2006 05:20:42 AM · #40 |
Originally posted by sher9204:
it's exactly this type of thread that keeps me and, i feel sure, many others from commenting on anything except high scores. publicly calling someone out for a comment is completely unnecessary. |
I was already about to post a reply saying exactly this. It's EXACTLY this kind of reaction, and even more so, the extremely immature PM sent to the commenter, that is the reason for my no longer bothering to comment any images that I feel are particularly weak.
I always used to vote, and I used to comment as many entries as I could in a given challenge, trying to include as many in the middle range as I could since I felt these would benefit most from feedback on their weaknesses (in one viewer's eyes only).
Now I tend to comment only on shots I like much more (or that are taken by friends who will not react so immaturely to my honest opinions - and no I don't vote on an image after finding out who has taken it - if I'm not voting on a challenge I let friends know that I'll provide a comment if they would like one.
There are way too many people who profess to want honest feedback but who really only want comments that are positive or jibe exactly with their existing views on their image.
It's funny to me me how often I provide a carefully thought out comment, which takes time to write and provide, and if it isn't glowing, it's not marked helpful even though other single word comments praising the image are! Hilarious!
But this kind of calling out and personal messaging is much worse. How disappointing.
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02/22/2006 05:27:44 AM · #41 |
Two conflicting issues here:
1: We need to create an environment where people are free to give negative (but constructive) critiques without being attacked.
2: FOR GOD'S SAKES STOP VOTING LOW ON PHOTOS IF YOU THINK THEY DESERVE A DQ. READ THE RULES!
How do we keep asking for 2: in these forums without negating 1:?
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02/22/2006 05:34:44 AM · #42 |
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
2: FOR GOD'S SAKES STOP VOTING LOW ON PHOTOS IF YOU THINK THEY DESERVE A DQ. READ THE RULES! |
I think the poster has misunderstood the comment he received.
Also, there is no way he could have known what was the score given by anyone in particular?
UPDATE: upon checking, byrongates's profile shows he has NEVER voted on any challenges before, LOL!!!
Message edited by author 2006-02-22 05:36:40. |
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02/22/2006 05:38:25 AM · #43 |
To Ecce Signum:
If you have such a difficult time dealing with an occasional low vote, perhaps you should lay off of the update button and stop trying to figure out what every vote is. We all know that you can't do that with any amount of accuracy. And we all know that even the highest scoring images usually get a few low votes. Your yellow ribbon shot got a much bigger spike at the top end of it's curve than at the bottom. Byron did not violate any rules nor did he attack you personally. His only crime was that he didn't like your shot as much as you, and the voters, did. I think an apology would be in order.
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02/22/2006 06:41:58 AM · #44 |
Perhaps we could get rid of PM's?
End of problem!
Maybe.
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02/22/2006 06:46:50 AM · #45 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
To Ecce Signum:
If you have such a difficult time dealing with an occasional low vote, perhaps you should lay off of the update button and stop trying to figure out what every vote is. We all know that you can't do that with any amount of accuracy. And we all know that even the highest scoring images usually get a few low votes. Your yellow ribbon shot got a much bigger spike at the top end of it's curve than at the bottom. Byron did not violate any rules nor did he attack you personally. His only crime was that he didn't like your shot as much as you, and the voters, did. I think an apology would be in order. |
Yes, I agree totally! I WAS WRONG on 2 counts, and unreserveadly apologise to all concerned. I acted in an improper way and my punishment (as well as being sounded out here) was to tarninsh my first ever ribbon celebrations with the guilt of making a fool of myself!
My points still stand but, of course they were my points and should not have been aired in this manner (nor should I have sent the pm and will correct that when I get home).
I consider myself well and truly slapped on the wrist and, the update button is going to take a back seat from my on.
Again apologies to all.
Andi
Message edited by author 2006-02-22 06:50:50. |
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02/22/2006 08:43:56 AM · #46 |
That is an excellent shot. I really like it.
Don't feel to angry. Someone told me mine was a snapshot in the Virtues challenge and I scored a lot higher then them lol. That made my morning.
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02/22/2006 08:59:13 AM · #47 |
Originally posted by missinseattle:
That is an excellent shot. I really like it.
Don't feel to angry. Someone told me mine was a snapshot in the Virtues challenge and I scored a lot higher then them lol. That made my morning. |
I got the same comment...but that person (same as yours) didn't enter the challenge?
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02/22/2006 09:02:55 AM · #48 |
Andi, it takes guts to apologise and admit when one has stepped over a line! Kudos on that front.
Sadly, it doesn't make me feel more inclined to comment because I too have received somewhat confrontational PMs over past comments and an apology later on wouldn't completely erase the upset at receiving it in the first place.
Still, as I say, much appreciate your latest post.
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02/22/2006 10:26:40 AM · #49 |
Although Ecce was out of line, Byron needs to take himself a little less seriously and not be so concerned with impressing people.
Understanding the author's intended tone in their profiles and emails/posts are difficult so please do not take offense.
I just find it rather amusing at your lengthy diatribe in response to Ecce's PM. |
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02/22/2006 10:40:20 AM · #50 |
I was thinking of another one. There was one that pretty much picked it apart- which is fine. But they still scored lower then me. The snapshot commenter did not enter. Which is usually the case, a comment like that and no entry. Or a not so nice comment and a hidden voter lol. Those are my favorites. All in all I haven't had an horrible comments and I've taken what I can and applied it to my work and that's the whole point here isn't it?
Nobody is perfect and there is ALWAYS room for improvement.
Message edited by author 2006-02-22 10:43:56. |
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