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 02/20/2006 04:01:44 PM · #126
I promised myself last year when I got my 300D that I'd get the 20D replacement when it comes out.
I am standing by that promise.

I just need to know what I'm buying! LOL
 02/20/2006 10:35:51 PM · #127
few more hours to go!!
 02/20/2006 10:37:34 PM · #128
Totally confirmed to be 35D -- wish someone would change the title of this thread. I got an invite to PMA today from a canon rep. ;) I'm so there!!!
 02/20/2006 10:40:56 PM · #129
What makes everyone so sure the announcement will be on the 21st. The PMA doesn't start til the end of the week.
 02/21/2006 12:15:12 AM · #130
Originally posted by photodude:
What makes everyone so sure the announcement will be on the 21st. The PMA doesn't start til the end of the week.

I think Canon announced that it will be making some announcements on the 22nd.
 02/21/2006 12:40:29 AM · #131
My info is that it will be the 21st.

I'm gonna buy one, make the 20D my backup, and sell the 10D. Will leave the 70-200 f2.8L IS on the 3x and the 24-70L on the 20D, at gigs where both are needful. Thereby hopefully reducing sensor grunge. Just can't justify the IIn. :-(
 02/21/2006 01:27:11 AM · #132
Well, it's the 21st somewhere..
 02/21/2006 02:01:28 AM · #133
Here's a good one for ya: //www.camera-news.com/2006/02/20/is-this-the-canon-3d/

R.
 02/21/2006 02:05:58 AM · #134
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Here's a good one for ya: //www.camera-news.com/2006/02/20/is-this-the-canon-3d/

R.

I'd be more interested in that lens. A 40mm 1.2? That sounds sweet on a 1.6 crop sensor cam (64mm).
 02/21/2006 02:08:06 AM · #135
Note the little "eye control" logo lower right on the pic of the body :-)

R.
 02/21/2006 02:42:22 AM · #136
Is this it?

30D
 02/21/2006 02:54:27 AM · #137
Originally posted by blurbayou:
Is this it?

30D


Yes. This is it.
 02/21/2006 03:11:52 AM · #138
So it's an upgraded 20D, same sensor, a lot of tweaks but nothing earth-shattering. The 2.5 inch LCD is a major plus (I just used Kirbic's 5D the other day and that;s an awesome feature), but otherwise it's apparently not a must-have upgrade. This quote from the review is interesting, re: 30D vs D200:

The ability to configure and fire multiple Speedlights is one of the niftiest capabilities of the Nikon D200. And in fact, given the likelihood that prospective purchasers of a midrange digital SLR, at least those not locked into a system already, will be directly comparing Nikon's latest digital SLR to the 30D, we wonder if Canon has done enough in refreshing the 20D to counter the siren call of the D200.

Don't take this as a recommendation of the D200 over the 30D. For one, we've only used a preproduction 30D, and then only briefly. More importantly, we've shot the D200 and 20D side-by-side for available light basketball over several weekends this winter, and the 20D is by far the better camera for this purpose. Not only were the ISO 800 through ISO 3200 frames massively cleaner and more usable, the percentage of in-focus frames was signficantly higher. In fact, we've ruled out using the D200 for this sort of assigment again. So, we don't think Nikon has in the D200 a camera that's a clear winner over the upcoming 30D by any means.

Robt.
 02/21/2006 03:37:24 AM · #139
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
So it's an upgraded 20D, same sensor, a lot of tweaks but nothing earth-shattering. The 2.5 inch LCD is a major plus (I just used Kirbic's 5D the other day and that;s an awesome feature), but otherwise it's apparently not a must-have upgrade. This quote from the review is interesting, re: 30D vs D200:

The ability to configure and fire multiple Speedlights is one of the niftiest capabilities of the Nikon D200. And in fact, given the likelihood that prospective purchasers of a midrange digital SLR, at least those not locked into a system already, will be directly comparing Nikon's latest digital SLR to the 30D, we wonder if Canon has done enough in refreshing the 20D to counter the siren call of the D200.

Don't take this as a recommendation of the D200 over the 30D. For one, we've only used a preproduction 30D, and then only briefly. More importantly, we've shot the D200 and 20D side-by-side for available light basketball over several weekends this winter, and the 20D is by far the better camera for this purpose. Not only were the ISO 800 through ISO 3200 frames massively cleaner and more usable, the percentage of in-focus frames was signficantly higher. In fact, we've ruled out using the D200 for this sort of assigment again. So, we don't think Nikon has in the D200 a camera that's a clear winner over the upcoming 30D by any means.

Robt.


Just been reading the first review and at this stage I think I will stick with 20D. Not enough bang for your bucks.
 02/21/2006 03:46:13 AM · #140
Another thing said at the end of the article is the 20D will continue to be sold for the near future. Will be interesting to see what the price does. I just purchased a 20D a week ago and am very happy with it. It's way more camera than "I" need. Maybe in 18 months the 40D will come out and I'll be ready for a move up then? I can't see rushing out to sell the 20D for minor gains. Although, the 30D does have a spot meter...
 02/21/2006 04:23:03 AM · #141
It may not be a major improvement like I was hoping for (10mp would have made it more of a tempting upgrade from my 10D) but it all adds up to an excellent camera. Most of the complaints about the 20D have been addressed...spot meter being a big one, and I like the 9999 folder size. I also like the increased burst depth and the choice of 3 or 5 fps.

For my lenses, however, it would likely cost me as much to sell my 17-40 and 28-105, buy the 30D and the 10-22 and the 17-85 (to get the super-wide and normal zooms that I have been wanting) as it would to just get a 5D. I would have considered it if Canon had come out with something matching the D200, but as it is it looks like I'll be saving my pennies.

This update is not a reason for anyone to be upgrading from the 20D...if they're truly relying on their gear enough that this is an absolutely necessary, immediate upgrade, then they should be ponying up for a 1DIIn instead. However, I know that people will be itching to dump their 20Ds like a hot potato, just as most did with their 10D/300D. Nevermind that these same people process their DLSR images to the point where they might as well not have a DSLR at all. But I digress...

Message edited by author 2006-02-21 04:27:35.
 02/21/2006 04:30:35 AM · #142
Originally posted by jimmythefish:
It may not be a major improvement like I was hoping for (10mp would have made it more of a tempting upgrade from my 10D) but it all adds up to an excellent camera. Most of the complaints about the 20D have been addressed...spot meter being a big one, and I like the 9999 folder size. I also like the increased burst depth and the choice of 3 or 5 fps.

For my lenses, however, it would likely cost me as much to sell my 17-40 and 28-105, buy the 30D and the 10-22 and the 17-85 (to get the super-wide and normal zooms that I have been wanting) as it would to just get a 5D. I would have considered it if Canon had come out with something matching the D200, but as it is it looks like I'll be saving my pennies.

This update is not a reason for anyone to be upgrading from the 20D...if they're truly relying on their gear enough that this is an absolutely necessary, immediate upgrade, then they should be ponying up for a 1DIIn instead. However, I know that people will be itching to dump their 20Ds like a hot potato, just as most did with their 10D/300D. Nevermind that these same people process their DLSR images to the point where they might as well not have a DSLR at all. But I digress...


I was thinking the 30D would be closer to the 5D then the 20D, so thats my reason not to upgrade yet I will probably now look at the 5D. (upgrade junkie)
 02/21/2006 04:49:41 AM · #143
I don´t care at all about the new camera as I have sworn to never again buy anything but full frame but I am REALLY curious about that 85mm 1.2 mkII. If it has the same image quality as the mkI version and an fast USM motor I might be tempted to sell my 1.8 version and go for this one, I use this lens a lot and I just love it. Anyone got any info regarding this lens?
 02/21/2006 05:20:05 AM · #144
Yeah- it is too close to the 20D for me to upgrade. I do love the 9999 file folder, the spot metering, and the larger LCD. I was hoping for more AF points. Why is it so difficult for them to add more AF points? I guess I'll just be holding on to my 300d as my backup for a while longer :)
 02/21/2006 05:37:38 AM · #145
Looks like it might only be worth the upgrade if you don't own the 20D allready.
 02/21/2006 06:08:20 AM · #146
Originally posted by leaf:
Looks like it might only be worth the upgrade if you don't own the 20D allready.


how about 350D (XT) ?

any opinions ?
 02/21/2006 12:44:57 PM · #147
Originally posted by yido:
Here is my guess for the 30D to replace the 20D, whenever it happens.
1. The sensor size and MP will stay the same. Afterall, they just invested in all the EF-S lenses. How much more than 8.2MP do you need? If you do, you probably will move to the D1s Mark II anyway. Nikon seems to have stopped their quest for more MP's as well since their D50 and D70s have not increased in MP size.
2. More fps and more buffer. Can't speed up start time as it is only 0.2 seconds anyway.
3. Size/weight. Probably slightly smaller and lighter, probably not by much though.
4. New battery? Will they switch like the XT? who knows.
5. Image Processing. Probably will rollout the DIGIC III and E-TTL III, just their marginal improvements as usual.
6. Price. Seeing as the improvements in technology is slowing down, the next thing to offer seems to be reduction in price. Just like Nikon D50 is undercutting the XT and the D1 is being offered with a whopping $500 rebate now that the new Nikon DH series is out. I'd guess street price reduction from about $1500 for the 20D to about $1250 for the 30D.
7. Bigger LCD, I'm starting to think 2 inch is the new minimum size, more resolution for the LCD Screen would be nice as well.


Hey pretty acurate after all, even down to the name, sensor size...
Now I'll rub my cristal ball for the next camera updates...
=)
 02/21/2006 10:35:20 PM · #148
Good call yido. I remembered your predictions as I was reading through the 30D specs on DPReview and I was amazed how close you were even though the rumors were wildly different.

Interesting.

I also like Bear's post about how the 30D still held it's own against the D200.

I was in a store for an hour yesterday and I saw them sell TWO D200's and another guy couldn't make up his mind. WOW.

People are so easily swayed by media.

Personally, I had been planning on buying a camera in March, but now it looks like I will be waiting until this camera comes out... plus a month to let the price come down a bit too.

Then I will see what's a better deal, that or a used 20D. I hate waiting.
 02/22/2006 01:07:48 AM · #149
It's not bad, considering I made those predictions in May of 2005, which is about 10months ago. I don't remember seeing anyone make those predictions that early. Sorry to toot my own horn here =).

To be honest, I don't predict prices dropping for awhile, don't expect to pay less than MSRP for atleast 6 months, if not for a year as I'm sure this will be a popular camera. If I were you, I'd just preorder.

The sensor/Digic II is of a known quality, so I'd seriously doubt any bugs/fixes. The 2.5inch LCD's brightness had already been addressed. I really don't see anything that could go wrong, as all the stuff on the 30D has been out in another camera.

As for comparison to a Nikon D200, it's $300 cheaper, but you have to remember that Nikon's grip and batteries are more expensive, especially since you cannot use aftermarket batteries on the D200. I still think the current Digic II image processing is superior to the Nikon's. Two MP's don't make a real world difference in common sized prints, so that would not be a deciding factor for me. Considering the battery, grip, better image processing, I'd go for the 30D over the Nikon D200. Don't get me wrong, I think both are great cameras capable of outshooting almost all of it's owners, so the equipment won't be a issue here.

I must say that with the N and the XT, I've stopped yearning for newer bodies. Heck, I even stopped drooling for lens. Now I mainly drool over Photo Ops. I guess that's a good thing.

Message edited by author 2006-02-22 01:09:28.
 02/22/2006 07:22:00 AM · #150
The addition of a 3.5% spot metering mode

Does the 20D have spot metering?

something I miss with the 300D though I do have it on my EOS 5 (film)


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