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02/21/2006 10:08:51 AM · #26 |
Originally posted by hopper:
This assumes the price of the 20D will remain the same. Let's say the price dropps to $899 or $949 ... it then becomes a $400 difference for the same 8MP sensor.
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
20D is currently about 1150 at b&h, and the 30D is MSRP at $1399, so figure $1299 in a month or so as a rela world price. For $150 yeah, I'll take the newer camera. |
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Again- I do not see this as likely based on how Canon did this particular release...
I'm always willing to be wrong. BUT- there's usually a price tip BEFORE a new camera system goes on sale. That didn't happen here.
Camera companies are STRUGGLING for dollars right now. Undercutting their prices that much is not going to help their bottom line. Other "tells", the Rebel XT is still $999, while every other manufacturer's similar camera is $599. They can't drop the 20D below $1000 without killing sales in the rebel. I see no more than a $200 price change as realistic.
Again, I'm willing to be wrong. But the feel here is just a little off. |
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02/21/2006 10:12:13 AM · #27 |
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
Hmmm...not exaclty what the rumour mills had leaked, so perhaps there is yet another camera awaiting announcement?
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I am somewhat disappointed as i was hoping for 10mp and teh 5D AF system, but the price is a very good thing, i was expecting $1500 to 1600. |
I'm disappointed also. The price leaves a bigger hole between the 5D and the 30D. Perhaps there's a 7D to be announced? (at $1700 - $2100?)
There's another hole in Canon's price structure at the low end. The Nikon D50 is significantly less than the 350D. Perhaps Canon will move the 350D successor to the ~$500 price point, keeping two entry level DSLRs and will try and move us all up a step or two.
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02/21/2006 10:18:16 AM · #28 |
Originally posted by photodude:
Originally posted by bluenova:
Originally posted by Ampao64:
Key feature changes over the 20D:
* Selectable 5 or 3 fps continuous shooting |
hmm, why would somebody want to set it to 3 fps if they can have 5? |
3 shot bracketing? |
If you select braketing in the menu it will take 3 pictures. But this is talking about 3 frames per second or 5 frames per second, how quickly it'll take the pictures, not how many it takes.
Message edited by author 2006-02-21 10:19:13. |
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02/21/2006 10:23:10 AM · #29 |
Originally posted by bluenova:
Originally posted by Ampao64:
Key feature changes over the 20D:
* Selectable 5 or 3 fps continuous shooting |
hmm, why would somebody want to set it to 3 fps if they can have 5? |
Some things don't require 5fps.
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02/21/2006 10:39:41 AM · #30 |
Originally posted by hankk:
I'm disappointed also. The price leaves a bigger hole between the 5D and the 30D. Perhaps there's a 7D to be announced? (at $1700 - $2100?)
There's another hole in Canon's price structure at the low end. The Nikon D50 is significantly less than the 350D. Perhaps Canon will move the 350D successor to the ~$500 price point, keeping two entry level DSLRs and will try and move us all up a step or two. |
The rumours suggested a $500 3000D, probably a 6Mp EVF dSLR like the new Oly camera.
Also, lots of leaks on a 10.5Mp 35D, with the 5D AF system - something akin to the D200, so I figure it to be $100 under the Nikon.
If there is a 35D/7D kind of camera coming, that would make the choice between it and the 30D a tough one for me. Who knows, perhaps these will be Fotokina announcements?
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02/21/2006 10:42:04 AM · #31 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by bluenova:
Originally posted by Ampao64:
Key feature changes over the 20D:
* Selectable 5 or 3 fps continuous shooting |
hmm, why would somebody want to set it to 3 fps if they can have 5? |
Some things don't require 5fps. |
Like? Please explain as I'm obviously missing something.
Message edited by author 2006-02-21 10:46:15. |
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02/21/2006 10:43:03 AM · #32 |
Originally posted by hankk:
Also, lots of leaks on a 10.5Mp 35D, with the 5D AF system - something akin to the D200, so I figure it to be $100 under the Nikon.
If there is a 35D/7D kind of camera coming, that would make the choice between it and the 30D a tough one for me. Who knows, perhaps these will be Fotokina announcements? |
//www.camera-news.com/2006/02/20/is-this-the-canon-3d/
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02/21/2006 10:44:09 AM · #33 |
the best addition about this camera is the SPOT meter!!!
Makes exposures perfect everytime if know how to use it. |
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02/21/2006 10:45:15 AM · #34 |
I am bummed, I really hoped that Canon would release their equivalent to Olympus' sonic dust-remover.
:(
If that had been added, I'd consider the upgrade. Although, what I really wanted was the following:
2.5" screen
Dust removal system
Spot Metering
10mp
7fps
Oh well...
The 3D would be nice, but I just don't see how the 3D can fit between the 30D 1D MKIIn and 1Ds MKIIn
Sadly, I think if they did release the 3D as the "geek" camera, it'd do really well. Where as many traditional film photographers rejected things like the eye-focus point selection, I think many digital photographers would accept such. We've been immersed in tech so it's not as frightening nor uneasy for us to experience.
I'd love to see a 3D with the above spec's and the eye focus point selection and built in wireless transfer. Or even, if they got really smart. Dual CF card slots, with the ability of one slot to support WiFi compact flash cards.
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02/21/2006 10:47:23 AM · #35 |
If true then the only thing that jumps out to me is the spot metering (oh and the damn ISO in the view finder where it should have been in the first place).
I would have expected something closer to the D200 personally and to me this is just a 20D-N (as somebody also mentioned).
Oh well - I can start taking pics again now I know my 20D is not redundant :-)) |
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02/21/2006 10:52:49 AM · #36 |
you may be right (sadly), but just as a small correction, the XT is only $749 right now, not $999. Making a 20D for $999 not out of the realm of possible.
We'll all know soon enough.
Originally posted by blemt:
Again- I do not see this as likely based on how Canon did this particular release...
I'm always willing to be wrong. BUT- there's usually a price tip BEFORE a new camera system goes on sale. That didn't happen here.
Camera companies are STRUGGLING for dollars right now. Undercutting their prices that much is not going to help their bottom line. Other "tells", the Rebel XT is still $999, while every other manufacturer's similar camera is $599. They can't drop the 20D below $1000 without killing sales in the rebel. I see no more than a $200 price change as realistic.
Again, I'm willing to be wrong. But the feel here is just a little off. |
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02/21/2006 10:54:28 AM · #37 |
Originally posted by hopper:
you may be right (sadly), but just as a small correction, the XT is only $749 right now, not $999. Making a 20D for $999 not out of the realm of possible.
We'll all know soon enough.
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Beg pardon, quoting kit prices. :) |
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02/21/2006 11:01:00 AM · #38 |
Originally posted by bluenova:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by bluenova:
Originally posted by Ampao64:
Key feature changes over the 20D:
* Selectable 5 or 3 fps continuous shooting |
hmm, why would somebody want to set it to 3 fps if they can have 5? |
Some things don't require 5fps. |
Like? Please explain as I'm obviously missing something. |
Theater perhaps other stage performances, slower moving games like golf, are the first type of things that spring to mind where you may want a burst of images but 5fps would be overkill. Sure, you can catch the same things with a faster frame rate, but if all you are doing is machine-gunning, you might miss an important shot while switching cards because you filled it up blasting away at 5fps.
If you need the higher frame rate, it's there, but like any other tool, the trick is in knowing when and how to use it. Having selectable frame rates just makes it that much more flexible.
Message edited by author 2006-02-21 11:01:26.
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02/21/2006 11:03:48 AM · #39 |
| I wonder if it may also have to deal with Flash units and their abilities to re-charge and re-fire in sync? |
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02/21/2006 11:07:43 AM · #40 |
| Big time disappointed. Had the new body been a 10MP I think I would have forgone a hoped for lens buy and bought the body. 8MP however isn't that big a jump for me to get excited over. Looks like I'm going to be enjoying my 300D for another year... |
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02/21/2006 11:12:39 AM · #41 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by bluenova:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by bluenova:
Originally posted by Ampao64:
Key feature changes over the 20D:
* Selectable 5 or 3 fps continuous shooting |
hmm, why would somebody want to set it to 3 fps if they can have 5? |
Some things don't require 5fps. |
Like? Please explain as I'm obviously missing something. |
Theater perhaps other stage performances, slower moving games like golf, are the first type of things that spring to mind where you may want a burst of images but 5fps would be overkill. Sure, you can catch the same things with a faster frame rate, but if all you are doing is machine-gunning, you might miss an important shot while switching cards because you filled it up blasting away at 5fps.
If you need the higher frame rate, it's there, but like any other tool, the trick is in knowing when and how to use it. Having selectable frame rates just makes it that much more flexible. |
Thanks Spazmo99 that made it clear. |
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02/21/2006 11:12:55 AM · #42 |
here is an article on the new 30D that is more useful than just the press release.
More tidbits and details.
and a pic of the HUGE 85 1.2 lens on the camera. Looks like the picture window in my house. LOL
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02/21/2006 11:25:29 AM · #43 |
What a bummer...I was waiting to see if Canon would be coming out with a camera that would rival the D200, but from what I am reading here, it doesn't. :(
Should I go ahead and order my D200 or do you REALLY think that there's another camera coming out that would be comparable??? How do you guys find these announcements anyway? :) |
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02/21/2006 11:54:11 AM · #44 |
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
Originally posted by hankk:
I'm disappointed also. The price leaves a bigger hole between the 5D and the 30D. Perhaps there's a 7D to be announced? (at $1700 - $2100?)
There's another hole in Canon's price structure at the low end. The Nikon D50 is significantly less than the 350D. Perhaps Canon will move the 350D successor to the ~$500 price point, keeping two entry level DSLRs and will try and move us all up a step or two. |
The rumours suggested a $500 3000D, probably a 6Mp EVF dSLR like the new Oly camera.
Also, lots of leaks on a 10.5Mp 35D, with the 5D AF system - something akin to the D200, so I figure it to be $100 under the Nikon.
If there is a 35D/7D kind of camera coming, that would make the choice between it and the 30D a tough one for me. Who knows, perhaps these will be Fotokina announcements? |
My decision would not be so tough if there is a 7D and it's a full frame body at 10.5Mp with the 5D AF system and costs about $2K. |
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02/21/2006 12:02:05 PM · #45 |
I'm actually pretty happy with the announecement
I thought it would be a 10MP, but in a way I also thought there was no real need for me to have a 10MP, when an 8MP camera is more than enough for my needs.. just being greedy that's on (for my needs)
I think a lot of people are comparing it to the 20D (when it comes to upgrades) I don't think this is catered for a 20D upgrade, but more for someone like me with a 300D (Rebel) or the older 10D.
Spot metering for me is huge.
I've been looking at the 20D for a long time now and these little upgrades make it in my book a great camera for me.
The minor things are also great.. rotate only on the computer and not in camera (awesome) the bigger screen (nice, though I didn't care much since I don't really rely on it that much.. just checking histograms) 999 pictures in a folder.. all these things are just nice upgrades.. not fundamental in my book, but great to have
I also love the 1.6 crop (I like taking animals, etc and I'd rather have the reach then the wide) so I'm willing to loose the wide shots in favour of the reach. (ie.. 5D vs 30D)
I'm really looking forward to get it on stores
J
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02/21/2006 12:20:40 PM · #46 |
| It's a shame there's no new sensor or AF system(says new algorithm, but it's the same 9 point thing right?)... I would have liked a 6fps burst rate too, but meh |
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02/21/2006 12:24:48 PM · #47 |
Does absolutly nothing for me.
I'm still switching to D200, bye bye Nikon.
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02/21/2006 12:33:30 PM · #48 |
| I'm actually very excited about this announcement. This is the first time that I haven't been absolutely green with envy for a new Canon EOS model. Now I can go back to daydreaming about more lenses. |
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02/21/2006 12:34:21 PM · #49 |
Originally posted by mmckenna:
I'm actually very excited about this announcement. This is the first time that I haven't been absolutely green with envy for a new Canon EOS model. Now I can go back to daydreaming about more lenses. |
I'll second that |
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02/21/2006 12:41:40 PM · #50 |
I wish canon's site wasn't getting so hammered, i'd like to see what all is new there but it's taking forever to load.
oh and btw, yes you can go to the canon site and see the new camera, and other stuff, it's on there. Funny nobody has posted a link directly to the 30D there haha.
here's the link... but it won't load yet cause of the slow site.
//consumer.usa.canon.com/ir/controller?act=ModelDetailAct&fcategoryid=139&modelid=12929
Message edited by author 2006-02-21 12:43:51. |
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