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02/17/2006 07:48:21 PM · #1 |
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Didn't catch this on TV, but I can't say I'm sorry to hear it happened. Jacobellis' hot-dog move costs her gold
American athletes seem to have the corner on "attitude" these days. Personally I love to cheer against the US in the Olympics. We are to the world what the East Germans were to us in the '80s. Am I also the only one unimpressed that nearly half of our medals come from a sport with moves like a "fakey to fakey 1020"?
Message edited by author 2006-02-17 19:59:35. |
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02/17/2006 07:53:57 PM · #2 |
| Hey Doc, Put a spoiler warning on this please, It hasnt aired yet.. (even though I knew the results too) |
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02/17/2006 07:55:10 PM · #3 |
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02/17/2006 08:04:02 PM · #4 |
| Sorry, I actually thought this aired last night. We got a spoiler on the title... |
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02/17/2006 09:03:14 PM · #5 |
Not only that, but the display from U.S. Women's Hockey goaltender Chanda Gunn, throwing her mask down in disgust and refusing to take part in the traditional handshake..
way to lose gracefully there girlfriend. |
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02/17/2006 09:18:15 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by Artyste:
Not only that, but the display from U.S. Women's Hockey goaltender Chanda Gunn, throwing her mask down in disgust and refusing to take part in the traditional handshake..
way to lose gracefully there girlfriend. |
Prolly wouldnt have mattered Didnt TEAM Canada go in scoring 36-2, Thats throwing your some attitude!
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02/17/2006 09:19:02 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by buzzrock:
Originally posted by Artyste:
Not only that, but the display from U.S. Women's Hockey goaltender Chanda Gunn, throwing her mask down in disgust and refusing to take part in the traditional handshake..
way to lose gracefully there girlfriend. |
Prolly wouldnt have mattered Didnt TEAM Canada go in scoring 36-2, Thats throwing your some attitude! |
That was really bad of Canada. Even Don Cherry said it was bad sportsmanship and very un-Canadian.
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02/17/2006 09:59:19 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
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Didn't catch this on TV, but I can't say I'm sorry to hear it happened. Jacobellis' hot-dog move costs her gold
American athletes seem to have the corner on "attitude" these days. Personally I love to cheer against the US in the Olympics. We are to the world what the East Germans were to us in the '80s. Am I also the only one unimpressed that nearly half of our medals come from a sport with moves like a "fakey to fakey 1020"? |
Saying that American athletes, in general, have a bad attitude is ridiculous. Sure, there are American athletes with bad attitudes and poor sportsmanship, but there are athletes from all walks of the world sporting those same attitudes.
No doubt that's an embarassing moment, and it shouldn't have happened, but to say anything about American athletes, in general, based on one single athlete (which is all the evidence you have provided, so I'm assuming you are basing your opinion on only the evidence of that one single athlete) isn't fair, in my opinion.
America has its fair share of hard-working, loyal, athletes with good sportsmanship, just like any other nation in the world.
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02/17/2006 10:09:48 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by frisca:
Originally posted by buzzrock:
Originally posted by Artyste:
Not only that, but the display from U.S. Women's Hockey goaltender Chanda Gunn, throwing her mask down in disgust and refusing to take part in the traditional handshake..
way to lose gracefully there girlfriend. |
Prolly wouldnt have mattered Didnt TEAM Canada go in scoring 36-2, Thats throwing your some attitude! |
That was really bad of Canada. Even Don Cherry said it was bad sportsmanship and very un-Canadian. |
Ok. So this means that Australia has to stop winning so many medals in swimming to give other countries a break. Lance Armstrong should have given other cyclists a chance to win the Tour de France by pedalling slower or retiring eariler. As if.
Other countries are powerhouses in various sports. Canada is a hockey powerhouse. Is it our fault that we have been including girls/women in serious hockey for over 20 years now while other countries haven't? I think not. |
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02/17/2006 10:15:00 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Personally I love to cheer against the US in the Olympics. |
In all seriousness, this comment made me a little sick to my stomach. Do you realize that this blanket statement includes hundreds of American athletes that spend their entire life trying to achieve Olympic gold? Maybe it’s because I was a Marine and served my country out of pride and a sense of duty, but I feel it is important to SUPPORT my countrymen when they are competing against the rest of the world. They deserve that for all the effort they have put into reaching their dreams. For you to root against them because of a few showoffs is pretty despicable in my book.
Also, don’t think for one second that the snowboarders didn’t work their tails off to get to where they are. Just because it isn’t your traditional sport doesn’t mean they are less talented than a figure skater.
I am now stepping into my flame retardant suit, so blast away.
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02/17/2006 10:22:01 PM · #11 |
| I saw this this morning in NZ ... it was funny .. sorry guys nothing about amercians .. but she lost it ... and lost it big time ... after having advantages of getting through the other crashes she was rubbing it in the faces of those she was racing by showing off .... well it didn't really work ... and still she gets a silver .. which I think is pretty good ... :) |
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02/17/2006 10:35:03 PM · #12 |
| What I found funniest was that, when interviewed by journalists for radio, she wouldn't confess to hotdogging causing the crash. She said she had to grab her board to stabilize herself. Too funny. When you mess that bad and in front of so many people the best course is usually honesty. |
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02/17/2006 10:59:55 PM · #13 |
I felt sorry for her, I know she was hamming it up for the cameras. But, thats must be just heart breaking....
Plus, she is cute... :) |
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02/17/2006 11:20:43 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by Beagleboy:
Originally posted by frisca:
Originally posted by buzzrock:
Originally posted by Artyste:
Not only that, but the display from U.S. Women's Hockey goaltender Chanda Gunn, throwing her mask down in disgust and refusing to take part in the traditional handshake..
way to lose gracefully there girlfriend. |
Prolly wouldnt have mattered Didnt TEAM Canada go in scoring 36-2, Thats throwing your some attitude! |
That was really bad of Canada. Even Don Cherry said it was bad sportsmanship and very un-Canadian. |
Ok. So this means that Australia has to stop winning so many medals in swimming to give other countries a break. Lance Armstrong should have given other cyclists a chance to win the Tour de France by pedalling slower or retiring eariler. As if.
Other countries are powerhouses in various sports. Canada is a hockey powerhouse. Is it our fault that we have been including girls/women in serious hockey for over 20 years now while other countries haven't? I think not. |
It was explained today that Canada was scoring huge because they promised themselves before the tournament began that they wouldn't let themselves become complacent and wanted to work on scoring first and foremost after not being able to score against the U.S. team in the last World Championships. If some people find this poor sportsmanlike, that's fine, but I don't see it that way. Italy was only in the tournament because of a free-pass for hosting, and they themselves only had huge praise for the Canadian team and the thrill of simply being able to play. I can guarantee you that the Canadian girls didn't rub it in after the game or grandstand those scores or anything else that would have been *truly* unsportsmanlike. |
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02/18/2006 12:04:03 AM · #15 |
Well, I'll defend my position a bit. I am, of course, making blanket statements here and there are great athletes that come from the US. However, the american culture seems to be one of showboating and winning poorly. One doesn't need look much further than the NFL where highlights involve the latest touchdown dance or T.O signing a football with a sharpie.
Wasn't it Michael Johnson who wore gold shoes during his races? Hasn't the US been stripped of more medals for drug violations than most if not all other countries? Don't we tend to engender an attitude of 'win at all costs'?
One thing I wish is that even though much of this showboating is normal accepted culture here in the US, the athletes need to understand that's not the way things are done in the rest of the world and it looks bad. You don't go stripping down to your sports bra in a muslim nation to celbrate a victory (yes, I know that didn't happen, but it makes the point I'm getting at).
I cheer against the US because they are expected to win. They have every advantage of money and training (in general). I like the Jamaican Bobsled teams of the world.
One final point is that I tend to point a critical eye inward. Too many of the things I don't in others, I can see in myself. With that being said, if I'm going to criticize a country, I had best criticize my own. |
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02/18/2006 12:25:28 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Hasn't the US been stripped of more medals for drug violations than most if not all other countries? |
Actually, I'd say China/Russia/Germany (especially East Germany when the country was still split), have been stripped of more medals for doping than most others.. Romania, I think, has had a lot too.
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02/18/2006 12:34:39 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by Artyste:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Hasn't the US been stripped of more medals for drug violations than most if not all other countries? |
Actually, I'd say China/Russia/Germany (especially East Germany when the country was still split), have been stripped of more medals for doping than most others.. Romania, I think, has had a lot too. |
Perhaps you are right all time. I was thinking more in the last decade (when, I think, the impression of our sportsmen and sportswomen started to change). I do think China and Russia get their share of doping allegations as well, but we can no longer claim the high road like maybe we could in the '80s. |
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02/18/2006 01:39:25 AM · #18 |
I hate to do this, but as a Canadian growing up cheering against the U.S. (out of competition only), I have to defend Jacobellis' little gaffe. If anyone saw her qualifying runs, she does in FACT grab her board, with both hands, over most jumps. In fact, the announcer's said it during qualifying just prior to her second run. Apparently it was noticed during the first run, a reporter asked her and she said it was for stability.
Still, pretty damn hilarious. But sad still.
And, as she said after the final, sh*t happens. Guess she didn't grab it hard enough.
Message edited by author 2006-02-18 01:39:59.
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02/18/2006 03:15:20 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Well, I'll defend my position a bit. |
Please, don't bother. I've heard enough nonsense for one night. Any more and I'll probably say something that I may regret later.
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02/18/2006 05:35:31 AM · #20 |
Originally posted by deapee:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
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Didn't catch this on TV, but I can't say I'm sorry to hear it happened. Jacobellis' hot-dog move costs her gold
American athletes seem to have the corner on "attitude" these days. Personally I love to cheer against the US in the Olympics. We are to the world what the East Germans were to us in the '80s. Am I also the only one unimpressed that nearly half of our medals come from a sport with moves like a "fakey to fakey 1020"? |
Saying that American athletes, in general, have a bad attitude is ridiculous. Sure, there are American athletes with bad attitudes and poor sportsmanship, but there are athletes from all walks of the world sporting those same attitudes.
No doubt that's an embarassing moment, and it shouldn't have happened, but to say anything about American athletes, in general, based on one single athlete (which is all the evidence you have provided, so I'm assuming you are basing your opinion on only the evidence of that one single athlete) isn't fair, in my opinion.
America has its fair share of hard-working, loyal, athletes with good sportsmanship, just like any other nation in the world. |
Dave I don't often totally agree with you but I am with you all the way here!
Athletes are people and have trained for years to get to the Olympics, trained harder than most people can ever conceive. A moment of joy, of overexcitement at achieving her goal and she blew it. I am sorry for her - we were all young once.
By the way I think snowboarding is tremendous - so lively, full of fun and just what sport should be!
P
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02/18/2006 07:57:32 AM · #21 |
I read the OP, watched it on TV, and think that the reaction is a little overblown. She was about to win the gold, she was excited, she's young (20), and she made a mistake. She also competes in half-pipe, where you do those kinds of grabs all the time as you get scored on style. I think she realized full well that she overdid it on that jump, and I'm sure she'll remember it for a long time. I wish she had simply owned up to what happened, but I would be embarrassed if I were her, and she later did sort of say she overdid it.
The NBC commentators seemed determined to make sure we all knew that this was a big mistake that will rank up there with other "show-off" moves that went wrong, or that this was even the worst one ever. Please. It'll maybe be remembered that way because that's what they're pushing on the viewers...
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02/18/2006 08:33:39 AM · #22 |
I agree, it was a stupid move by a 20 year old and she paid dearly for it. That being said, no I don't condone hot-dog behavior, just like male that swimmer who was talking so much smack (maybe Gary someone), it’s very poor form.
However, I saw an interview with a very famous Russian ice-skating coach and she was talking about the psychological games she taught her skaters to play during practice etc, so I’m sure there are many instances of poor sportsmanship that we don’t “see”. Also since the US media heavily reports on the US athletes, I wonder how much hubris athletes from other countries exhibit that we just don’t get coverage of?
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02/18/2006 08:41:29 AM · #23 |
Originally posted by toddhead:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Personally I love to cheer against the US in the Olympics. |
In all seriousness, this comment made me a little sick to my stomach. Do you realize that this blanket statement includes hundreds of American athletes that spend their entire life trying to achieve Olympic gold? Maybe it’s because I was a Marine and served my country out of pride and a sense of duty, but I feel it is important to SUPPORT my countrymen when they are competing against the rest of the world. They deserve that for all the effort they have put into reaching their dreams. For you to root against them because of a few showoffs is pretty despicable in my book.
Also, don’t think for one second that the snowboarders didn’t work their tails off to get to where they are. Just because it isn’t your traditional sport doesn’t mean they are less talented than a figure skater.
I am now stepping into my flame retardant suit, so blast away. |
Ditto.
also I think I have asked this before but to you DRAchoo if you hate the US so much why don't you move the hell out?
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02/18/2006 08:58:07 AM · #24 |
Originally posted by Beagleboy:
Originally posted by frisca:
Originally posted by buzzrock:
Originally posted by Artyste:
Not only that, but the display from U.S. Women's Hockey goaltender Chanda Gunn, throwing her mask down in disgust and refusing to take part in the traditional handshake..
way to lose gracefully there girlfriend. |
Prolly wouldnt have mattered Didnt TEAM Canada go in scoring 36-2,
Thats throwing your some attitude! |
That was really bad of Canada. Even Don Cherry said it was bad sportsmanship and very un-Canadian. |
Ok. So this means that Australia has to stop winning so many medals in swimming to give other countries a break. Lance Armstrong should have given other cyclists a chance to win the Tour de France by pedalling slower or retiring eariler. As if.
Other countries are powerhouses in various sports. Canada is a hockey powerhouse. Is it our fault that we have been including girls/women in serious hockey for over 20 years now while other countries haven't? I think not. |
Hear, hear. Nothing like leaning back on your heals so you're not ready for a game against a stronger team. Canada played Sweden earlier in the year and only won 2-0. The Swedish goalie is amazing.
Concentrating on scoring and plays to make scoring chances I believe was the right decision in light of the outcome of the US/Sweden game.
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02/18/2006 09:12:04 AM · #25 |
Some people have it in them to show off a bit, given the chance - it has nothing to do with what country she's from. Many Olympic athletes from all over the world live and train in the United States with american athletes.
Also there's a woman speedskater who lives in trains in Canada because they offer the best competition for her. So when she hot dogs, is she american or canadian?
Making a blanket statement about ANY country is unfair and innacurrate.
Message edited by author 2006-02-18 09:13:07. |
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