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02/05/2006 11:38:45 AM · #26 |
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
Originally posted by deapee:
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
Wow! I'm totally amazed! I hope I never become such an elite photographer so as to have all the fun sucked right out of me! Wow!
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...why can't you understand that some people just don't like to have their photos retouched ... |
I suppose I'm just not intelligent enough. |
There is no need on either side to turn this into personal attacks. Anyone who would like to discuss this issue at hand is welcome to do so; however bickering and sniping adds nothing to the discussion at hand. |
Was my generalization not sweeping enough?
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02/05/2006 11:40:01 AM · #27 |
Perhaps we are in need of some action, not on the part of SC or D&L or courts, but ourselves.
My recommendation would be that everyone should (in their profile page) put a blurb explicitly specifying something along the lines of "It is OK to use any of my portfolio pics for suggestions on improvements, forum posts etc. It is also fine to alter my photos or use portions of my photos for fun as long as it is contained within DPC threads and not used elsewhere."
What do you think? That way it is up to the member to figure out whether the photographer thinks that it is OK to use their image and for what.
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02/05/2006 11:46:32 AM · #28 |
I think Clubjuggle's reference to current US law on copyrighted material covers the bases.
It is obvious to anyone that noone was trying to steal someone elses photo to claim it as their own. Was the photo used in a parody? Get a lawyer. You would have a hard time proving it was not.
My suggestion...if you are that sensitive to photos being used, seen, commented on or in any other way touched by others perhaps the internet is not the best place to put your photos. I do not share my more personal family photos here or on any public site for that reason. |
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02/05/2006 12:01:41 PM · #29 |
editing other peoples photos on this site is very common, but to post them as their own is stealing !
to edit a photo and upload it to ones own portfolio is announcing that this is their picture, but to make a folder in onec portfolio (like I did) and name it "other peoples photos" then the stealing part has been excluded, but there is one other thing, when saving an edited copy of someone elses photo, add the name of the original owner to the filename (something I've forgotten sometimes) that way the ower has the credit for the picture and it's not posted as an original.
just my 2€¢
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02/05/2006 12:51:30 PM · #30 |
I dont think it is a matter of wanting to sue anyone really. Lets face it our photos are near and dear to most of us. They have personal connections and meaning a lot of the time. To see one of them defaced in any way would be distressful to me especially if I hadnt been consulted about it first. If you want to deface a picture, deface one of your own, dont use other people's property to do it. It is just a matter of common courtesy at the end of the day, if we cant ask this courtesy from our fellow photographers how can we expect anyone else to respect our individual work.
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02/05/2006 01:21:05 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by MPRPRO:
I looked at the original thread; I would have removed every picture I had on this site if that happened to me. That is just plain wrong and I am surprised so many took part in that. I am also surprised that thread is still there to.
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The thread should be removed before others find their images there and get as pissed off as Gibum. Doc has a point. |
FWIW, I took part in that thread and the image I manipulated was my own. I'm not the only one, either.
Personally, I think Doc, you, and others who take this position are way overreacting, but who am I to tell people what to feel or how to react? It's just my personal opinion. I think the creation of parodies is a valid "art" and I think it's more of a compliment to the original shooter than a disrespectful thing.
YOUR opinion may vary (obviously does, in fact) and I respect that.
For the record, the titles of Brad's parodies all contain the name of the original author, so I think he's clean on that front too.
R.
Message edited by author 2006-02-05 13:21:35.
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02/05/2006 02:01:54 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by hokie:
My suggestion...if you are that sensitive to photos being used, seen, commented on or in any other way touched by others perhaps the internet is not the best place to put your photos. I do not share my more personal family photos here or on any public site for that reason. |
Here, here.
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02/05/2006 02:14:30 PM · #33 |
hmmmm....I'm wondering...do I need a lawyer, here? I think I might have a case.
Kidding...kidding. I was flattered...but it's a personal thing.
Message edited by author 2006-02-05 14:15:01.
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02/05/2006 03:12:21 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by mk:
Now that's not entirely true, is it? |
Ok MK you are right about that last one. My mistake but I was getting emotional. Crap just comes out of me sometimes when I am angry. It is easy to do sometimes when you get upset about the way someone is treated. I still think this is wrong.
MK I must be honest too I was very busy and forgot about that research I am doing for you. I̢۪ll try and get to it this week. You know I got 1600 images to vote on and a day job and my blog and my photography; sometimes you just don̢۪t want to dwell on the negative.
Bear I love your stuff too and I respect your opinion but try to take a view of someone placing their hopes and dreams in their art and someone flippantly degrades it as a joke for a stupid thread. If, as you did, you use your own picture to parody that's fine, but to take someone else̢۪s image and change it without even asking? I think that is wrong.
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02/05/2006 03:35:57 PM · #35 |
personally, i would be extremely flattered if someone thought enough of my work and felt comfortable enough to use my photos in a parody. we're talking about a low-res, web-size photo that no one is trying to sell and used in a forum thread that was completely harmless and fun.
i just think it's much ado about nothing.
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02/05/2006 03:40:55 PM · #36 |
Look what a long, boring thread you have made out of this.
With all do respect, in most cases you have no idea what a certain photo means to it's photographer.
The issue here is not an artistically theft, but the fact that a certain photo was turned into fun, and in my opinion - a bad tasted fun.
Maybe this photo has a special meaning to the photographer, and he was offended by the improper use? To others it may look funny, especially when taken in the context, but still - how hard is it to send a PM to the photographer and ask?
If it's cool - then you can have all the fun in the world. But sometimes it's just not right.
And when you will shoot something that will have a special meaning to you alone - you will understand that too.
maybe. |
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02/05/2006 04:00:08 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by Jinjit:
...And when you will shoot something that will have a special meaning to you alone - you will understand that too.
maybe. |
I cannot speak for anyone else in this group, but I can assure you that I do indeed have photos that have a VERY special meaning to me alone.. and therein lies the reason why you will not find them on my portfolio.
The images (bad as they are....) that I do make available are there for public viewing, and while I do believe it would best for people to ask before using my photos, I don't believe I would be offended if it was used in the manner shown of the other thread.
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02/05/2006 04:05:14 PM · #38 |
| If I was sensitive to anyone editing my pics here I would say so in my profile, surely that is the easiest cure to prevent this sort of thing happening? Their use on other sites, that would be something very different. |
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02/05/2006 04:59:30 PM · #39 |
all of my photos are very special to me. i work hard at them and i pour into them my whole heart and soul. and even though i feel such strong emotional ties to my photos, i hope that i never think so highly of myself that i can't enjoy a little good-natured humor or that i lose the ability to laugh at myself. i stand by my original opinion.
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02/05/2006 05:58:18 PM · #40 |
2 points.
1.Parody is protected from copyrightlaw. Even when it isn't very funny. Weird Al Yankovich never pays royalties to the artists he pokes fun at, cause it's supposed to be funny, and not intended as theft.
2.If you want to edit another person's work, either as an excersise, at their request, or as a satire, post it in the Workshop file in your portfolio. That way it will show up in the thread you want it to but not in your portfolio or in searches.
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02/05/2006 06:35:15 PM · #41 |
For the record then:
1. If I participate in any challenge or use the portfolio space I pay for, I give my expressed permision for my pics to be used/abused/defaced or whatever and used on this website as the work of the person who did that.
2. If I do not hang a sign around my neck to say I do not want to be killed then I can be killed. Since when do I have the duty to force people to show common decency by placing my protection rules on my profile page... how many pages do I need to protect me agains all potential offending actions.
3. If I am offended by an individual I must shoot shotgun into the mob because sniper shots identifying the offender is a no-no.
4. I can use any persons pic on this site, alter it a bit and for the record put it under my own name, jpeg number and all on my profile page.
This is not a, and has never been intended as a' legal discussion, it is one of curtecy and good basic manners.
And also for your info, I did report this to SC within minutes of discovering it.... with no response yet.
I still insist on an apology and the removal of the pic as it offends me. |
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02/05/2006 08:15:05 PM · #42 |
heh.
I'm with you, Gibun.
//www.dpchallenge.com/forum.php?action=read&FORUM_THREAD_ID=341634
Message edited by author 2006-02-05 20:22:06.
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02/05/2006 08:53:54 PM · #43 |
I understand your attitude gibun, i'm also guilty of not requesting permission beforehand in my parody of one of graphicfunk's work.
I have apologised to him and will not do it again as I can see how it can upset some people. |
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02/05/2006 08:55:52 PM · #44 |
Walk away from your computer... and go out and take a photograph
The person you have gone on about in this thread has removed it a long time ago... along with all but the photos they cant remove from their profile. AND put an apology in a different thread...
So, Back away from your computer..... and go take a photograph...
Originally posted by gibun:
For the record then:
1. If I participate in any challenge or use the portfolio space I pay for, I give my expressed permision for my pics to be used/abused/defaced or whatever and used on this website as the work of the person who did that.
2. If I do not hang a sign around my neck to say I do not want to be killed then I can be killed. Since when do I have the duty to force people to show common decency by placing my protection rules on my profile page... how many pages do I need to protect me agains all potential offending actions.
3. If I am offended by an individual I must shoot shotgun into the mob because sniper shots identifying the offender is a no-no.
4. I can use any persons pic on this site, alter it a bit and for the record put it under my own name, jpeg number and all on my profile page.
This is not a, and has never been intended as a' legal discussion, it is one of curtecy and good basic manners.
And also for your info, I did report this to SC within minutes of discovering it.... with no response yet.
I still insist on an apology and the removal of the pic as it offends me. |
Message edited by author 2006-02-05 21:06:52. |
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02/05/2006 10:15:43 PM · #45 |
| Di, in your little world it may be easy to move away, but there are other issues at stake, I want to know from SC if my FOR THE RECORD statement is correct. I need to know for me and I think many others treatend by abuse. |
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02/05/2006 10:33:57 PM · #46 |
I find your "for the record statement" inflammatory, and it was just a gentle suggestion to you to back off for a day or so and when you've cooled off that you come back and talk to SC in a more mannerly way.
Usually its better to not handle things when you are so angry, as it only makes you look bad when you are simply trying to make a point. I know, as i've posted in the forum when i should have walked away. |
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02/05/2006 10:34:51 PM · #47 |
Well Gibun, having read all of the thread I would at this time like to make use of your own words, as stated in a previous submission:
...The tribe is the voice, the minority must accept that. Isn't that what I called 'oppression by numbers"?
and......... let us not forget...
The tribe has spoken.;-)
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02/05/2006 10:36:24 PM · #48 |
And she has also removed the photos and apologised as you requested!
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02/05/2006 10:39:40 PM · #49 |
The photo below is not mine and is borrowed from another photographer that I admired. All credits should go solely to him and not me.
Message edited by author 2006-02-05 22:45:00. |
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02/05/2006 10:40:54 PM · #50 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Well Gibun, having read all of the thread I would at this time like to make use of your own words, as stated in a previous submission:
...The tribe is the voice, the minority must accept that. Isn't that what I called 'oppression by numbers"?
and......... let us not forget...
The tribe has spoken.;-) |
If I use a quote at least I try to do it within context. The tribe has no say in this... it is my pic, not their vote.
Makka, so did I, so did I.If I could remove the challenge entries as well, I would have done that too.
Message edited by author 2006-02-05 22:41:27. |
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