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01/26/2006 06:18:01 PM · #1 |
So i just took my shots for off-center and im dying for a bit of feed back. But nope.... i gotta sit on my hands and wait a week. I definatly think this is going to be one of my more creative shots and no one is home right now so i cant shot my family for feed back.... just having one of those moments im sure we've all had. lalala... cant... post... photo.... must... hold.... on....
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01/26/2006 06:39:48 PM · #2 |
Originally posted by nlghttrain:
So i just took my shots for off-center and im dying for a bit of feed back. But nope.... i gotta sit on my hands and wait a week. I definatly think this is going to be one of my more creative shots and no one is home right now so i cant shot my family for feed back.... just having one of those moments im sure we've all had. lalala... cant... post... photo.... must... hold.... on.... |
Cant you upload it and keep it hidden? If do do that and Pm a couple of people to see what they think with the link. You can PM if you want. I'm bored.
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01/26/2006 06:42:56 PM · #3 |
Originally posted by Brent_Ward:
Cant you upload it and keep it hidden? If do do that and Pm a couple of people to see what they think with the link. You can PM if you want. I'm bored. |
The best way to do that is to upload a copy into your workshop. That way no one can see it unless you send them a direct link. This is also a good way to post shots that you don't really want in your portfolio but wish to discuss in the forums.
I do not believe that you can link to hidden photos. It shows up as a broken link when you click... |
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01/26/2006 07:22:46 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by Brent_Ward:
Cant you upload it and keep it hidden? If do do that and Pm a couple of people to see what they think with the link. You can PM if you want. I'm bored. |
That's kinda like cheating isn't it?
nighttrain had it right in the place. It's tough when you have a shot you're excited about but you just "gotta sit on (her) hands and wait a week".
Good Luck with the voters Deb.
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01/26/2006 07:25:08 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
Originally posted by Brent_Ward:
Cant you upload it and keep it hidden? If do do that and Pm a couple of people to see what they think with the link. You can PM if you want. I'm bored. |
That's kinda like cheating isn't it?
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Not at all.
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01/26/2006 07:32:07 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by Brent_Ward:
Originally posted by coolhar:
Originally posted by Brent_Ward:
Cant you upload it and keep it hidden? If do do that and Pm a couple of people to see what they think with the link. You can PM if you want. I'm bored. |
That's kinda like cheating isn't it?
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Not at all. |
Is that how you do it? Is that why you enter so few challenges?
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01/26/2006 07:37:07 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
Is that how you do it? Is that why you enter so few challenges? |
Sorry to poke my head into others' conversation, but I think there's an important difference between getting peer review from a select few people and farming out a picture for widespread viewing.
I mean, I've shown pictures to friends and family, as well as some people online, before voting, and I don't think there's anything wrong with it.
Granted, the issue becomes a bit murkier when you start showing your stuff to another voting DPC member. Still, I think there's nothing wrong with taking advantage of available resources--which in this case means another DPC member's opinion. |
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01/26/2006 07:37:27 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
Originally posted by Brent_Ward:
Originally posted by coolhar:
Originally posted by Brent_Ward:
Cant you upload it and keep it hidden? If do do that and Pm a couple of people to see what they think with the link. You can PM if you want. I'm bored. |
That's kinda like cheating isn't it?
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Not at all. |
Is that how you do it? Is that why you enter so few challenges? |
I've been known to get feedback on an entry. I get feedbacl on all my shots whether there for a challenge or not. It's best that way. As I tend to throw a lot of good shots in the trash because I'm super picky.
I don't enter that many challenges because I don't shoot specifically for challenges. When I 'm out on a shoot and I get somehting that fits a challenge I enter it.
Getting a 2-3 opinions, and lets say because the knew your entry, they gave it a 10. three 10's out of 200 votes isn't going to make a whole lot of difference.
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01/26/2006 08:05:31 PM · #9 |
I have to disagree with both of you. I think showing an image that is entered in a challenge, or that you are considering entering, to another dpc user is cheating. I know there is no specific prohibition against it in the rules so you can say it isn't. But it clearly is a breach of anonymity, and that's a violation of the spirit & intent of the rules, and indeed the whole concept of the challenges here. No two ways about it. It should not be done under any circumstances. I know quite a few people do it but that doesn't make it right. When someone does that they are taking an unfair advantage over all the people who respect anonymity, like nighttrain.
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01/26/2006 08:12:04 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
I have to disagree with both of you. I think showing an image that is entered in a challenge, or that you are considering entering, to another dpc user is cheating. I know there is no specific prohibition against it in the rules so you can say it isn't. But it clearly is a breach of anonymity, and that's a violation of the spirit & intent of the rules, and indeed the whole concept of the challenges here. No two ways about it. It should not be done under any circumstances. I know quite a few people do it but that doesn't make it right. When someone does that they are taking an unfair advantage over all the people who respect anonymity, like nighttrain. |
Taterbug is my best friend in real life. We shoot together all the time. Does this mean if I see his shot in his camera after he shoots it that he can't enter it? I don't see it this way at all. We always get each others opinions on our shots. We don't always agree but we always listen. I do have a rule though. When I pull his shot in the challenge for voting I refuse to vote on it. I will comment but not vote. I expect he does the same but have never actually asked him.
Edit to add: I take part of the voting thing back. I did vote on two of his shots because I thought that at the time they were exceptional for his work and deserved the vote. Neither shot got a ten because I don't give tens out often... I felt at the time that not voting wasn't fair to him as a fellow DPC'er and best friend was not taken into concideration...
Message edited by author 2006-01-26 20:14:46. |
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01/26/2006 08:32:29 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
But it clearly is a breach of anonymity, and that's a violation of the spirit & intent of the rules, and indeed the whole concept of the challenges here. |
I see what you're saying. If the playing field isn't kept level, it's hard to feel like the results are accurate. And I really pretty much agree with you here.
I think it's worth pointing out that there is a lot of compromised anonymity out there already-- several photographers here (scalvert, annah, bear_music, heida, librodo, and joey lawrence, to name a few) have distinctive styles that make their photos obvious. It's often easy to pick out a few images that you're pretty sure you know the author of.
I actually don't like that at all; I don't *want* to know whose picture I'm looking at. Distinctive styles and consistency of results are highly desirable, but they do create problems in an environment like this.
Nonetheless, I think the case of showing a picture to a friend, who also happens to be a DPC member, is a matter of a different kind. The breach of anonymity is very small, and personally, I'm willing to put a bit of faith in people to be able to judge their friends' work fairly, even if they're familiar with it already.
I think you and I, Harvey, have a bit of a disagreement about what the spirit of the rules is meant to maintain; I gather you say it's anonymity, but I'd say it's just fair voting.
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01/26/2006 09:33:43 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
I have to disagree with both of you. I think showing an image that is entered in a challenge, or that you are considering entering, to another dpc user is cheating. I know there is no specific prohibition against it in the rules so you can say it isn't. But it clearly is a breach of anonymity, and that's a violation of the spirit & intent of the rules, and indeed the whole concept of the challenges here. No two ways about it. It should not be done under any circumstances. I know quite a few people do it but that doesn't make it right. When someone does that they are taking an unfair advantage over all the people who respect anonymity, like nighttrain. |
I agree. |
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01/26/2006 09:55:12 PM · #13 |
My wife and I use the same camera, have the same PC, and organize our photos in the same program, and we always see each others work before we enter into challenges.
I seriously doubt that showing 1 or 2 other people, even on DPC really matters at all.
Trying to get all your friends and family to come in, register, and give you 10's would be wrong in the extreme, but showing a few respected peers your work is hardly and pandemic problem to be fretting over. |
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01/27/2006 12:33:49 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
I have to disagree with both of you. I think showing an image that is entered in a challenge, or that you are considering entering, to another dpc user is cheating. I know there is no specific prohibition against it in the rules so you can say it isn't. But it clearly is a breach of anonymity, and that's a violation of the spirit & intent of the rules, and indeed the whole concept of the challenges here. No two ways about it. It should not be done under any circumstances. I know quite a few people do it but that doesn't make it right. When someone does that they are taking an unfair advantage over all the people who respect anonymity, like nighttrain. |
I'm guesing when you were younger that you were the tattletale kid in the class. ;o)
Lighten up chicken little, the sky is not falling.
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01/27/2006 01:28:11 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by Brent_Ward:
I'm guesing when you were younger that you were the tattletale kid in the class. ;o)
Lighten up chicken little, the sky is not falling. |
I'm guessing that when you were younger you cheated on your quizes and tests in school.
Suck it up and play fair like the rest of us. You are supposed to be a professional photographer. You shouldn't need that added advantage to outdo us amatuers.
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01/27/2006 01:46:51 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
Originally posted by Brent_Ward:
I'm guesing when you were younger that you were the tattletale kid in the class. ;o)
Lighten up chicken little, the sky is not falling. |
I'm guessing that when you were younger you cheated on your quizes and tests in school.
Suck it up and play fair like the rest of us. You are supposed to be a professional photographer. You shouldn't need that added advantage to outdo us amatuers. |
Nope, I was that smartass under achiever in school that never had to study for tests ( but aced them) and frustrated the crap out of his teachers. ;o)
Getting opinions on an entry is not cheating. it's smart. Maybe as an amateur you should try following a few pro's leads to learn, instead of constantly telling us we don't know what we're talking about.
Only a totally ignorant person would enter a contest (or do anything for that matter) with out bouncing ideas or subject matter off a few people for reference.
Every post I see you chime in on confirms to me that you're an old, know it all, up tight, wind bag ass of a man. I remember the first time when you actually had the nerve to put me down for offering my 20D to DPC people before I put it on ebay.
So mind your own business and leave the girl alone for wanting feedback on her shots.
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01/27/2006 01:51:33 AM · #17 |
Nothing wrong with a little I'll show ya mine, if you show me yours ;-)
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01/27/2006 01:53:25 AM · #18 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Nothing wrong with a little I'll show ya mine, if you show me yours ;-) |
I've already seen yours and I wish there were more cheese... :-0 |
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01/27/2006 02:09:01 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by Brent_Ward:
Getting opinions on an entry is not cheating. it's smart. Maybe as an amateur you should try following a few pro's leads to learn, instead of constantly telling us we don't know what we're talking about.
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For road challenge i showed my entery to graphicfunk (he was kind enough to spend some time with it) and i entered it eventhough he suggested me that it will not do well (i entered because i did not have time to shoot another one, i would shoot the same thing again as soon as i get time). Well the point that i want to make is this, lot of people like me, are here at DPC to learn. And if someone can improve by showing others, then there is nothing wrong with it. I can not improve overnight and even if i can rig five six votes it won't make me winner, it might change my position by 1 (that too we are not sure).
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01/27/2006 02:25:37 AM · #20 |
Originally posted by Brent_Ward:
Only a totally ignorant person would enter a contest (or do anything for that matter) with out bouncing ideas or subject matter off a few people for reference. |
Or maybe a totally honest person.
Originally posted by Brent_Ward:
I remember the first time when you actually had the nerve to put me down for offering my 20D to DPC people before I put it on ebay. |
That wasn't the first time. I had you pegged from the beginning.
I still say it's cheating.
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01/27/2006 02:44:19 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
I still say it's cheating. |
lets say its cheating, so you want to say you have never cheated in life. Man you are better than Mahtama Gandhi. |
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01/27/2006 02:50:44 AM · #22 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
Originally posted by Brent_Ward:
Only a totally ignorant person would enter a contest (or do anything for that matter) with out bouncing ideas or subject matter off a few people for reference. |
Or maybe a totally honest person.
Originally posted by Brent_Ward:
I remember the first time when you actually had the nerve to put me down for offering my 20D to DPC people before I put it on ebay.
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That wasn't the first time. I had you pegged from the beginning.
I still say it's cheating. |
Then don't do it and you'll be able to sleep better at night. ;o)
Pegged me for what from the beginning? Are you jealous of me? That seems to be the biggest factor of singling in on someone for nothing...
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01/27/2006 03:00:18 AM · #23 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Nothing wrong with a little I'll show ya mine, if you show me yours ;-) |
You've already show yours. Don't expect me to show mine... |
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01/27/2006 03:01:56 AM · #24 |
Originally posted by _eug:
You've already show yours. Don't expect me to show mine... |
I'll pass... thanks... ;-)
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01/27/2006 03:31:27 AM · #25 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by _eug:
You've already show yours. Don't expect me to show mine... |
I'll pass... thanks... ;-) |
That's a good thing... See The Bar is Openat 1/27 2:35 AM |
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