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01/24/2006 03:35:09 PM · #26 |
| I would like to see the name of the photographer you are doing a tribute to, so that if I see one I really like I can look at that photographers work as well. |
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01/24/2006 03:48:48 PM · #27 |
| My only question now is whether Heffner really qualifies as a photographer... |
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01/24/2006 03:52:21 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
My only question now is whether Heffner really qualifies as a photographer... |
If you asked the boys in the "Drool" thread, I think you find a resounding Yes!! :)) |
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01/24/2006 03:55:13 PM · #29 |
Perhaps we're worrying too much about this. The way things have been going around here, it doesn't seem all that important anymore whether or not you're "on topic".
Take a nice photo of anything you like and you'll do fine. |
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01/24/2006 04:54:27 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by Beetle:
Perhaps we're worrying too much about this. The way things have been going around here, it doesn't seem all that important anymore whether or not you're "on topic".
Take a nice photo of anything you like and you'll do fine. |
Agree. It's a free study, but I would like to expand my horizons a bit and would appreciate seeing the name of the photographer in the title. Thanks. |
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01/24/2006 05:03:07 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
And if the name IS in the title what are you going to do to look it up, use Google or something?
I think that's quite time consuming and I really don't see many people doing this while voting. JMO of course. ;^) |
If you use Google Image, and type in the photographer's name, you'll get an instantaneous page of thumbnails of that photographer unless he's really obscure. It's not time-consuming at all. I hope most of the entrants DO provide the name for us to look.
R. |
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01/24/2006 05:07:50 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
If you use Google Image, and type in the photographer's name, you'll get an instantaneous page of thumbnails of that photographer unless he's really obscure. It's not time-consuming at all. I hope most of the entrants DO provide the name for us to look.
R. |
I concur :)) I love this place for how I am learning! And this challenge pushed me to research my choice quite a bit.
I am very much looking forward to investigating each entry and seeing how we all did ! |
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01/24/2006 05:24:30 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
And if the name IS in the title what are you going to do to look it up, use Google or something?
I think that's quite time consuming and I really don't see many people doing this while voting. JMO of course. ;^) |
If you use Google Image, and type in the photographer's name, you'll get an instantaneous page of thumbnails of that photographer unless he's really obscure. It's not time-consuming at all. I hope most of the entrants DO provide the name for us to look.
R. |
Hey! That's COOL! Didn't know that was available. Thanks for the heads-up. ;^)
Message edited by author 2006-01-24 17:25:00.
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01/26/2006 02:00:18 AM · #34 |
| The challenge brief did not call for photographs to indicate who the tribute was to in the title. I didn't see this thread until the challenge started. In my case, I didn't include the name of the photographer in the title, but made reference to him in my 'details' section. To simply give a 1 or 2 and a DNMC just because someone has not included the photographers name in the title of his pic is short-sighted and narrow-minded...imho |
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01/26/2006 02:02:21 AM · #35 |
| i agree. the images should be scored on the basis of technical merit, WOW factor, etc. for me, it doesn't matter if somoene didn't include the artist. afterall, this was a "free study" anyway right? |
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01/26/2006 02:15:43 AM · #36 |
Must agree, nowhere, for those who are selectively anal about things, does the description even remotely say the title must include the 'who'. Come on, let's all be fair and at least try and be consistent.
BTW, I do not regard myself in the class of photographers that can pay a tribute to a real 'great'... so I am not in this challenge. But that does not keep me from feeling sajin's pain. |
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01/26/2006 02:31:13 AM · #37 |
I must respectfully disagree with the recent consensus here.
If anyone would care to know why this is so, I explain my position in this thread.
I say so only in the interest of giving some insight into a differing view.
//edited for clarity
Message edited by author 2006-01-26 02:31:32. |
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01/26/2006 05:33:18 AM · #38 |
Originally posted by sajin:
To simply give a 1 or 2 and a DNMC just because someone has not included the photographers name in the title of his pic is short-sighted and narrow-minded...imho |
I also agree that it is petty and unfair of people to give 1s and 2s for photos that did not include the photographer's name in the title.
It also proves how ignorant that voter is.
But not only that.
I was so dissapointed from this challenge's entries!
I think that fingers of one hand will be enough to count the entries that actually pay tribute to photographers.
Most of the people took their best shot and then found out a photo that represent a similar object in them.
There is hardly any creative thinking shown in the challenge.
People did not try to learn the style of those photographers, people did not try to understand what was making a certain photo good or bad. they just pulled out their own photos. That is all.
EDIT: removed indirect reference to challenge entries
For me, this is much like letting a 5 y/o kid paint some sunflowers and call it "tribue to Van Gogh"
Sorry, if I ever get to vote on this challenge, I very much doubt if my average vote given would be higher then 4.
And yes, I would definately give 1s and 2s.
You can be sure however, that if I give 1, 2, 3 or 4, I will comment about that as well.
Message edited by Manic - dont refer to images currently being voted upon. |
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01/26/2006 06:04:44 AM · #39 |
Originally posted by Jinjit:
There is hardly any creative thinking shown in the challenge.
People did not try to learn the style of those photographers, people did not try to understand what was making a certain photo good or bad.
For me, this is much like letting a 5 y/o kid paint some sunflowers and call it "tribue to Van Gogh"
And yes, I would definately give 1s and 2s. |
Sorry sublime jinjit if we (the mediocre, not creative thinkers, 5 y/o kids with a camera) have bothered you with our images.
We must beg your pardon for being so bad photogs, and you're right, it should not be allowed to people like us trying to tribute so inmortal photogs.
And finally, sorry for wasting your time looking our shots. If you don't feel well with our shots, you can just don't look at them.
Thanks for your time.
A mediocre (or even inferior than mediocre) photog. |
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01/26/2006 06:29:43 AM · #40 |
a. I didn't say the photos were not good in general. But any connection between them and the suggested original is very random.
b. you are excused.
You asked for it - you got it.
You can be as cynical as you please. I couldn't care less.
I was just expressing my opinion about this challenge's entries. Just like those who give certian photos 1s and 2s just for not stating the tributed photographer's name - this is also an opinion.
Just like those ignorant who can not see certain things in a photo, unless it is a photo they have seem thousands of times before.
And if you are willing to accept their opinion, but you are not willing to accept mine - this is not my problem. This is merely your own problem, and I am not bothered with it for one small second. |
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01/26/2006 06:47:04 AM · #41 |
Dear jinjit, sorry for my (very) cynical sense of humour. I know it's your opinion, and I respect it as any other opinion.
But I'm not sure that because anybody can have their opinion, they don't mind hurting somebody else. You can always say "It's my opinion", and it doens't matter what you have said before?
What I didn't like of your message was that part of "People did not try to learn the style of those photographers, people did not try to understand what was making a certain photo good or bad. they just pulled out their own photos. That is all."
Maybe some of us tried. I'm not saying we achieved it. NO. I'm saying maybe we tried, but in your opinion we didn't ever tried.
OK, it's your opinion, but it's not based on facts. You can say that IYO the results are bad. You can say we are mediocres. You can say many things, but I think you cannot affirm that we didn't ever tried. Just because you didn't know what we tried, just the result of our tries.
On the other hand, I agree with you on other things (the other 1s and 2s voters).
Keep posting and hope you don't take it a personal thing. Just opinions...
Have a nice day. |
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01/26/2006 06:50:19 AM · #42 |
edited because the referenced post has been edited.
R.
Message edited by author 2006-01-26 08:55:16. |
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01/26/2006 06:55:57 AM · #43 |
alexgarcia,
English is not jinjit's first language, (it is so great you would not know the fact) and if she came across stronger than suits most, please forgive her. This girl is a creative photographer and she has 'the eye'. She also has more integrity than most.
Although I do not agree entirely with her, I will stop and think if perhaps she has said something I can learn. One thing most of us must agree with, very few people did in fact study the 'greats' they were suppose to honor/'tribute'. I for one is not as tough on votes and if I see a pic, one without the great man's name, and it is a good pic, I will and do give credit.
You should know sarcasm does not work in an adult world. Listening and thinking do. By replying in such a mature manner impresses me.
jinjit,
a wise man once advised never to argue with an idiot because those passing by would not know which one is the idiot(by figure of speech!). Give your valued opinion and let the ones who can learn, learn.;-).And if you do not listen to my advise, well, remember if you run with the dogs, do not complain when you get bitten.
Message edited by author 2006-01-26 06:58:15. |
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01/26/2006 07:03:51 AM · #44 |
I don't feel I need to excuse myself.
Forums are ment for GENERAL opinions. I stated my GENERAL opinion about the photos. I can not list all the exceptions for that general after each post.
And everyone can decide for themselves how they accept and not accept my thoughts: as part of the general - the "people" I talked about, or as part of the exceptions.
However, I do agree with bearMusic on one thing - perhaps I should have waited until the challenge is over.
But even then, if you are not open for opinions that you might not agree to, you might not like or you might not feel should be expressed, then again - this is not my problem and I don't feel any need to justify myself about it.
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01/26/2006 08:04:09 AM · #45 |
Let me just begin with that I thought this was one of the best challenges I haves seen in a long time and I have voted it accordingly with many 10s 9 s and 8s.
Excuse the crude analogy but I didn’t give a “rats ass” about any title or who the tribute was in honour of I just voted on whether I liked the image or not, there is no need to go and research who the original photographer is just vote on how that image appeals to you.
Some people on this site spend way too much time on how they can discredit a photograph instead of looking at it on its face value.
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01/26/2006 08:18:43 AM · #46 |
Dear gibun:
a) english is not my first language, neither.
b) I don't think I have to forgive jinjit, nor want she excuse herself. I think there is no problem at all, at least not for me. I just wanted to express my opposite opinion to her opinion.
c)I don't doubt about her "eye" or her integrity.
d) I try to learn always. I know I'm not a good photog. I know that. I try listening to opinions and think about them. But in jinjit's message there was not very much to learn, just in my opinion. There was an opinion that nobody had tried to learn the style of the photogs... Well, I know I didn't achieved it, but I tried.
e) nothing to say about adultness, matureness or sarcasm.
f) I suppose you are not using a metaphor to compare myself with an idiot or with a dog, so I don't take it personal.
Have fun.
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01/26/2006 09:13:57 AM · #47 |
Originally posted by keegbow:
Excuse the crude analogy but I didn’t give a “rats ass” about any title or who the tribute was in honour of I just voted on whether I liked the image or not |
Just wondering, is this your voting method for ALL challenges?
If you say YES then I have nothing further to wonder about. It's your choice and you have the right to do so. I wouldn't mind one bit.
However, if you say no... then I find this quite problematic.
If you don't care for meeting the challenge as a principle, that's fine. But if you selectively do so, simply because you don't feel the need to expend your horizons and learn about other photographers, then I would consider this as pure laziness.
One way or other, I hope you are enjoying yourself. This is why we are all here in teh first place. Isn't it?
My intentions are not to discredit anyone or discourage anyone. As I said - if I actually do get to vote and I choose to give anything less then 5, I would explain my reasons for this in a comment.
This doesn't mean the photo in general is not worthy, This simply means that I find it DNMC.
and I definately DON'T think that "DNMC" is a comment for itself. |
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01/26/2006 09:45:17 AM · #48 |
jeez will you all get a life, this is a fun learning site, if we were professionals we wouldnt be here. speaking for myself of course.
if anyone says mine hasnt been inspired by my chosen photographer i'll kick their ass :P
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01/26/2006 09:50:20 AM · #49 |
Originally posted by goodman:
jeez will you all get a life, this is a fun learning site, if we were professionals we wouldnt be here. speaking for myself of course.
if anyone says mine hasnt been inspired by my chosen photographer i'll kick their ass :P |
I thought you had hip replacement last year? No worries, I'll kick any arse you point me to... |
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01/26/2006 10:16:55 AM · #50 |
I included the name of my tribute photographer to cover my butt :-)
Also, I figure, some people might like to see a new photographer..like going to a museum or buying a book, and this was my way to help them find my photographer.
I don't expect people to have to go and search out my photographer. And they can vote anyway they want...and they probably will :-D |
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