"Road" results recalculated - DPChallenge Forums

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM

01/25/2006 12:58:10 AM · #1

The results for the 'Road' challenge have been recalculated, as the images formerly in 4th and 6th place were disqualified.

Congratulations to the new 5th place.

Rikki

Canon EOS-20D

01/25/2006 01:00:17 AM · #2

So sorry to hear about the DQs Larus and Yakatme. They were still great shots. Congrats again to the ribbons :)

01/25/2006 01:02:17 AM · #3

The reasons for disqualification on those two images appear to be contradictory.

If it is a basic editing challenge, aren't cloning, dodging and burning also a no, no?

Nikon AF Zoom-Nikkor 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5D

01/25/2006 01:06:38 AM · #4

Originally posted by cpanaioti:

The reasons for disqualification on those two images appear to be contradictory.

If it is a basic editing challenge, aren't cloning, dodging and burning also a no, no?

I don't understand what you're referring to here. Explain?

mcrael

Nikon D300

01/25/2006 01:08:30 AM · #5

Yes - I am confused too.
The Basic Editing rules state:
Absolutely no spot-editing is allowed. This includes, but is not limited to drawing tools, dodging/burning tools, and cloning tools. Additionally, the use of any type of selection tool is prohibited except to select a non-feathered, non-anti-aliased rectangular area for cropping.

This is saying that dodging, burning etc are not allowed. Your comments for the disqualification say they are allowed.

01/25/2006 01:08:54 AM · #6

The reason on one of them (4th place) says cloning, dodging and burning is ok but moving major elements is not. This reason only applies to advanced editing. Shouldn't the reason be the same as stated for the 6th place DQ?

The second (6th place) refers to spot editing.

Olympus 14-54mm f/2.8-3.5 Zuiko Digital Zoom

01/25/2006 01:09:42 AM · #7

Originally posted by cpanaioti:

I'm so sorry. I entered the wrong reason. I will try and correct.

MQuinn

Olympus OM-D E-M1

01/25/2006 01:10:08 AM · #8

Would removing dust&scratches be basic editing?

langdon

Canon EOS-20D

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM

01/25/2006 01:10:44 AM · #9

Originally posted by ursula:

Originally posted by cpanaioti:
The reasons for disqualification on those two images appear to be contradictory.

If it is a basic editing challenge, aren't cloning, dodging and burning also a no, no?

I don't understand what you're referring to here. Explain?

Probably because I just updated the description of the disqualification! :)

We just selected the wrong reason in the drop down before DQing.

Message edited by author 2006-01-25 01:13:04.

Panasonic DMW-LTZ10 1.5x Teleconverter

01/25/2006 01:16:32 AM · #10

Originally posted by langdon:

Originally posted by ursula:

Originally posted by cpanaioti:
The reasons for disqualification on those two images appear to be contradictory.

If it is a basic editing challenge, aren't cloning, dodging and burning also a no, no?

I don't understand what you're referring to here. Explain?

Probably because I just updated the description of the disqualification! :)

We just selected the wrong reason in the drop down before DQing.

KiwiShotz

Panasonic DMC-FZ20

01/25/2006 01:16:33 AM · #11

Originally posted by MQuinn:

Would removing dust&scratches be basic editing?

My understanding is that would not be allowed in Basic. Any changes have to be applied to all pixels across the whole image.

Brett

hotpasta

Nikon D800

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

01/25/2006 01:18:59 AM · #12

Is Neat Image clean up acceptable in Basic Rules?

yakatme

Lytro Illum Light Field Digital

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 17-35mm f/2.8D IF-ED

01/25/2006 01:19:23 AM · #13

If it helps to clear things up regarding my DQ, let me say that I recommended my own entry for disqualification. I made a mistake follwing (or not following) the rules.

The following is my comment on my image since it was disqualified:

Being new to challenges, I didn't pay attention to the fact that this challenge was a basic editing challenge. I just went to work, habitually post processing without thought to the differences in rules. I even listed dodging and burning in the Photographer's Comments when I submitted this entry (duh?).

I apologize to everybody for disrupting (however slight it was) the challenge. I have certainly learned my lesson and will carefully consider the criteria for future submissions.

01/25/2006 01:19:48 AM · #14

Originally posted by MQuinn:

Would removing dust&scratches be basic editing?

Dust and Scratches is allowed in basic editing as long as you use it on the whole image.

This is the Filters rule from basic:

Filters: The use of filters (or non-Photoshop equivalent) is strictly limited. Any filter or stand-alone utility designed and used to preserve the integrity of the image and/or reduce the effects of noise, scratches, etc, are permitted. These include but are not limited to the Sharpen, Unsharp Mask, and Dust & Scratches filters, and standalone image cleanup utilities such as NeatImage. However, no effects filters may be applied to your image, with the exception of Noise and Gaussian Blur, which are allowed. Any filter permitted by this rule must be applied uniformly to the entire image. Selective application of any filter is prohibited.

Olympus 14-54mm f/2.8-3.5 Zuiko Digital Zoom

01/25/2006 01:20:02 AM · #15

Reading the rules will probably help with these questions:

Direct copy from basic editing rules...

Filters: The use of filters (or non-Photoshop equivalent) is strictly limited. Any filter or stand-alone utility designed and used to preserve the integrity of the image and/or reduce the effects of noise, scratches, etc, are permitted. These include but are not limited to the Sharpen, Unsharp Mask, and Dust & Scratches filters, and standalone image cleanup utilities such as NeatImage. However, no effects filters may be applied to your image, with the exception of Noise and Gaussian Blur, which are allowed. Any filter permitted by this rule must be applied uniformly to the entire image. Selective application of any filter is prohibited.

MQuinn

Olympus OM-D E-M1

01/25/2006 01:22:19 AM · #16

Originally posted by KiwiPix:

Originally posted by MQuinn:
Would removing dust&scratches be basic editing?

My understanding is that would not be allowed in Basic. Any changes have to be applied to all pixels across the whole image.

Brett

Yet I have seen it pass before under basic rules...

I have always wondered, since I saw his description.

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

01/25/2006 01:22:37 AM · #17

Originally posted by hotpasta:

Is Neat Image clean up acceptable in Basic Rules?

It is.

Bear_Music

Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra

01/25/2006 01:22:53 AM · #18

Originally posted by hotpasta:

Is Neat Image clean up acceptable in Basic Rules?

Neat Image is specifically mentioned as allowed in Basic Editing rules.

R.

hotpasta

Nikon D800

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

01/25/2006 01:23:17 AM · #19

are you saying that removing sensor dust is not acceptable?

SDW

Canon EOS-60D

Tamron AF 28-300mm f/3.5-6.3 XR Di LD Aspherical IF for Canon

01/25/2006 01:24:34 AM · #20

Originally posted by hotpasta:

are you saying that removing sensor dust is not acceptable?

Not allowed in basic.

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Pentax

01/25/2006 01:24:40 AM · #21

Originally posted by hotpasta:

are you saying that removing sensor dust is not acceptable?

Yup.

Artyste

Sony Ericsson W810i

01/25/2006 01:24:59 AM · #22

Originally posted by MQuinn:

Originally posted by KiwiPix:

Originally posted by MQuinn:
Would removing dust&scratches be basic editing?

My understanding is that would not be allowed in Basic. Any changes have to be applied to all pixels across the whole image.

Brett

Yet I have seen it pass before under basic rules...
I have always wondered, since I saw his description.

"dust&scratches" is a filter, I believe, that is applied to the entire image, and isn't the exact same thing as spot editing.. you'd have to check more on this.

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM

01/25/2006 01:25:17 AM · #23

Originally posted by MQuinn:

Dust & Scratches used on the whole image is OK. What you can't do is to use it on a portion or section of your image. The other thing you can't do for sure is clone out (or otherwise selectively remove) sensor dust or scratches from the image.

In Basic, sharpening, dust&scratches, neatimage, all have to be applied to the WHOLE image.

Rikki

Canon EOS-20D

01/25/2006 01:25:34 AM · #24

removing sensor dust is cloning or using the healing tool which is not permissible.