constructive vs rude comments - DPChallenge Forums

01/22/2006 02:30:54 AM · #28

FWIW, I appreciate people expressing their honest opinion (or even gut reaction) and let me decide what your opinion is worth to me.

I'll take this sucks!, don't quit your day job, total crap, BORING, I don't get it, are you going for the brown? - anythin you want to dish out within the ToS. I will also take Cool., hehe, LOL, :), and nice shot. (I'm partial to "ROFLMAO" for personal reasons.)

I'll even happily take any of the above with Hidden During Voting. And I won't PM anyone or call them out in the forum for expressing their opinion.

And now I know that if I do not receive any comments from fadedbeauty, my photo has no potential for improvement. I'll take that as a "10".

:D

suemack

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

01/22/2006 03:28:34 AM · #29

Like you Ken I really appreciate comments. What a wonderful opportunity to hear how your work affects others. If I want nice I take my stuff to work and show it to my friends.....they love everything I do.

I'd like a little box we could tick on our entries that say 'I want comments, they don't have to be sugarcoated.....let me know what you think. Good/bad/indifferent.....I really want to know'

Condition of ticking this box would be that you couldn't get offended/upset about the comments.

ClubJuggle

Canon EOS-400D Rebel XTi

01/22/2006 06:59:01 AM · #30

Originally posted by littlegett:

I couldn't find the thread I was gonna post this too.. but this one will do.

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Is this the most interesting thing you have seen during an entire year? I'm sorry.

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Posted on my Best of '05. Anyway, the comp isn't 'the most interesting thing I have seen in '05' Its Best of. L()L

Although.. I know mine isn't the best and after voting 75% thus far. Its one of two similar images where the other is a 15 compaired to my 2.

Anyway, Whats the deal with this type of comment.. and since this person is hidden I will call him 'Putz'.

I posted my image (knowing it isnt the best I have), but still. Needless to say I shouldn't have to defend my reasons for posting the image I wanted to. Vote on it and move on. If you have a constructive comment than post it. If you are just a Putz like above person.. you should just Bounce.

How many times does this topic even have to surface. Yet people are Jerks and will always remain jerks. Their will always be those people who feel they 'have' to belittle someone.

But thats ok. just don't come to me asking for anything. Because you will get the same thing served to you that you dish out.

Would it change your opinion if I told you that the commenter was Romanian, and that English was therefore not his first language?

~Terry

bacchus

Nikon D70s

Nikon AF Zoom-Nikkor 70-300mm f/4.0-5.6G

01/22/2006 09:21:50 AM · #31

'Constructive Criticism' of this thread:

"This thread sucks. Maybe you can change it."

Just kidding. Nice discussion, folks. My take is that some people are just rude. So it goes. Others are just frank and direct. We can't hear tone and inflection very clearly on message board threads. The voice is mottled. It's easy to 'misread' somebody's tone. It's easy to read harshness where there is only brevity. Most feedback and I read seems to be primarily constructive, and that's nice. It's not always useful and sometimes the people are missing the point, but that's just the way peer reviews and constructive criticism goes. You're always going to have that, if you have an engaged dialogue.

Myself, I'm in the borderline. I'm not a very critical person with photography. I don't see it so much as "Art" with a capital "A" ~ at least, I don't ONLY value photography meant to be "Art" with a capital "A". As a result, I myself am not that technically proficient and usually feel like I lack the critical understanding to effectively critique many photographs (in terms of "Art"). As a result, I don't get many comments on my own stuff. Maybe I should just throw out the word "Art" ~ and think of the word "Photography"? LOL ~ a self critique on my own critiquing . . .

What it be.

~ bacchus!

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

01/22/2006 11:00:09 AM · #32

Originally posted by ClubJuggle:

Would it change your opinion if I told you that the commenter was Romanian, and that English was therefore not his first language?

~Terry

No it wouldn't, because this person stated his comment Directly at me, when he knows absolutely nothing of me.

The comment was for an assumtion that my image was the most interesting thing "I" had seen all year, and that he was 'SORRY' for that fact.

Well IMHO there are intries I Find very Dull and boring, but Im not going to tell the person that, because, They have their own reasons why the image they entred is their best.

Basicly, I think this.

Attack the Image, the IMAGE!!!! Not the photographer behind the camera.
Granted the image is a reflextion of the photographers capabilites, yet, by attacking the image, one might find it easier to grow and learn.

When you attack the person, it becomes Personal.

Yet, I guess this is the reasoning for this thread.

Show me how that comment is constructive? Helpful? or anything to aid in making a better photo? There isn't. The User is making an Assumption of something they know nothing about. Basicly, that is the kind of comments that need to be kept to themselves.

[quote]You truly ought to read the first two comments you made... then read the last portion of your comments again... I know I did, and it was the last quotation that really left an impact.
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IMHO that is what this user is, for making a direct personal attack on me. And I know exactly what I wrote. I called a name to an unknown. I could have called him Joe Schmo, or I could have called him John Smith, or I could have call him Batty Davis. But I didn't.

I don't belittle someone for the sake of belittling. I was attacked. Sorry but I don't turn the other cheek.

In my eyes, comments that have nothing to do with the image are always created by a Putz and a Jerk.

HELLOO... this thing on? Its a Photography website, Judge the damn photo already. Not the person who took the photo.

Do you understand what Im trying to say?

probly not.

Bear_Music

Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra

01/22/2006 11:18:30 AM · #33

Originally posted by littlegett:

IMHO that is what this user is, for making a direct personal attack on me. And I know exactly what I wrote. I called a name to an unknown. I could have called him Joe Schmo, or I could have called him John Smith, or I could have call him Batty Davis. But I didn't.

I don't belittle someone for the sake of belittling. I was attacked. Sorry but I don't turn the other cheek.

In my eyes, comments that have nothing to do with the image are always created by a Putz and a Jerk.

HELLOO... this thing on? Its a Photography website, Judge the damn photo already. Not the person who took the photo.

Do you understand what Im trying to say?

probly not.

In other words, "Here's the formula for political correctness in commenting; if you don't follow the formula, you're a jerk and a putz."

Got it, you jerk...

R.

polkop

Canon EOS-400D Rebel XTi

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6

01/22/2006 11:26:38 AM · #34

Be HAPPY!:)

01/22/2006 11:34:10 AM · #35

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by littlegett:
IMHO that is what this user is, for making a direct personal attack on me. And I know exactly what I wrote. I called a name to an unknown. I could have called him Joe Schmo, or I could have called him John Smith, or I could have call him Batty Davis. But I didn't.

I don't belittle someone for the sake of belittling. I was attacked. Sorry but I don't turn the other cheek.

In my eyes, comments that have nothing to do with the image are always created by a Putz and a Jerk.

HELLOO... this thing on? Its a Photography website, Judge the damn photo already. Not the person who took the photo.

Do you understand what Im trying to say?

probly not.

In other words, "Here's the formula for political correctness in commenting; if you don't follow the formula, you're a jerk and a putz."

Got it, you jerk...

R.

Thank you for demonstraiting my point.

01/22/2006 11:37:32 AM · #36

Help me understand this. Commentor said the image was the "Most interesting thing they had seen all year, and for that they were sorry." and you took this as a personal attack?

So you feel that it's your responsibility to provide this person with a record-setting experience, and you've failed miserably? Therefore, you are a loser?

I made some cookies yesterday, and my husband said they were the worst cookies he's ever tasted. I thought they were good. I took that to mean that he didn't like the way those ingredients came together in the form of a cookie. I'm sorry that I wasn't able to make cookies that he enjoyed as well, but I didn't take this as a personal affront.

Now, if he would have said "You are a jerk and a putz because you failed to make cookies that suited my taste." we'd have a problem.

What I'm saying is that you are in for a long, hard ride if you internalize every negative comment directed towards your photography.

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

01/22/2006 11:45:08 AM · #37

Originally posted by greatandsmall:

Please I ask that your read what is posted before making your own post.

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Is this the most interesting thing you have seen during an entire year? I'm sorry.
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They are assuming it is the most interesting thing "I" have seen all year. they are judging me on what they believe is the most interesting thing "I" have seen all year.

When all I am trying to say is Judge/comment on the photo in front of you and no Assumtions to the person/s behind the lens.

Miscomunication because someone doesn't read...please read fully before replying.

Now, if they said 'This is the most Uninteresting thing I have seen all year' speaking of to themsleves.. fine and dandy.

If they stated it was crap and not their flavor or whatever... speaking for 'THEMSELVES' and no one else... Fine and Dandy.

Yet, they are speaking for me on things they know nothing about.

Don't Assume anything for the person/s behind the lens. Only know for yourself.

do you understand yet? Go back read carefully and see if you do. If not I will try yet again.

alfresco

Nikon D700

01/22/2006 11:47:55 AM · #38

Originally posted by greatandsmall:

Personally, I like it when people point out flaws in my photos and/or how they would have done something different - it helps me see something from a different perspective and -hopefully- learn.

I agree with roxanne though, taking a comment to a personal level "You should have xxxxx, what kind of idiot are you" or "stop taking photos, you're wasting good clicks" is not warranted.

Good analogy btw - now I'm hungry.

MPRPRO

Olympus E-5

Olympus 14-54mm f/2.8-3.5 Zuiko Digital Zoom

01/22/2006 11:50:38 AM · #39

There is no accounting for taste.

When rude people send me little comments like that I just shake it off and move on. Comments like this:

"I'd like to see a few things changed. First, I'd prefer the model be in sharp focus and the photographers be further on the edges of the DoF. I believe this would have a better effect of singling her out.

Crop could have been a little tighter on the right and bottom also. There are some distractions in these areas."

This person gave me an 8 on my image, he told me that's how I know.

these comments are worth even more contrasted with the rude people. If it never rained, you wouldn't appreciate the sunny days as much.

Now at times when going through over 800 entries I may make a short but firm comment that may come off as rude, well I didn't mean it to be I was just flying by and didn't want to dwell on a dissertation at the time. Hope you would understand.

Sometimes the image is so bad; it was rude to enter it in my mind and a waste of my time. I am being nice here and not mentioning any names. LOL

Going to eat some beans now.

Michael.

01/22/2006 11:55:08 AM · #40

I read your comment, and here's what I'm saying:

You're not always going to hear what you want to hear, and if you expect every commentor to follow your formula, you are going to be disappointed.

You've also compromised your credibility by resorting to the same behavior that you are chastising.

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6

01/22/2006 12:06:39 PM · #41

Originally posted by greatandsmall:

I never said there is a forumla. much less my own that everyone has to follow. That would be lunatic.

All im saying is... (DON'T JUDGE ME, JUDGE THE PHOTO) Why is that so hard to understand.

and Im not compromising my credibility for calling this poster a putz. Because he judged me and not the photo. Basicly in my twisted view, he is a putz because of his personal attack on me, and no judging of the photo for what it is. a photo.

There is in no way reason for him to degrade me on anything I may or may not have viewed. Yet he did.

Yet, with his attack to me, I have warrant to call him a putz and a jerk.

Probly still won't understand.

Im done I have said my piece for this time around.
credibility or not, a person whom makes an unwarranted personal attack, is a jerk, plain and simple. if they are not where you live. good for you.

polkop

Canon EOS-400D Rebel XTi

01/22/2006 12:14:29 PM · #42

Originally posted by littlegett:

Originally posted by ClubJuggle:

Would it change your opinion if I told you that the commenter was Romanian, and that English was therefore not his first language?

~Terry

No it wouldn't, because this person stated his comment Directly at me, when he knows absolutely nothing of me.

The comment was for an assumtion that my image was the most interesting thing "I" had seen all year, and that he was 'SORRY' for that fact.

Well IMHO there are intries I Find very Dull and boring, but Im not going to tell the person that, because, They have their own reasons why the image they entred is their best.

Basicly, I think this.

Attack the Image, the IMAGE!!!! Not the photographer behind the camera.
Granted the image is a reflextion of the photographers capabilites, yet, by attacking the image, one might find it easier to grow and learn.

When you attack the person, it becomes Personal.

Yet, I guess this is the reasoning for this thread.

Show me how that comment is constructive? Helpful? or anything to aid in making a better photo? There isn't. The User is making an Assumption of something they know nothing about. Basicly, that is the kind of comments that need to be kept to themselves.

[quote]You truly ought to read the first two comments you made... then read the last portion of your comments again... I know I did, and it was the last quotation that really left an impact.

Quantaray AF 70-300mm f/4.0-5.6 LD Tele-Macro for Canon

01/22/2006 12:19:33 PM · #43

Well, like I said in the beginning, these arguments go nowhere.

What it comes down to is that you took that comment as a personal attack, even though, nowhere did it state any reference to you; and without an explanation as to the meaning from commentor, you aren't really sure what they meant.

It is purely a matter of opinion that the comments you quoted would be considered a personal attack. And I stand by my statement that if you allow yourself to be victimized these comments, you are in for a big suprise when you get a truly malicious one.

I refer myself to this quote when I start to feel the affects of criticism.
"Those that matter don't mind, and those that mind don't matter."

I can personally say that your reaction for the comments received will not affect the nature or quantity of comments I make. Sometimes I can't think of anything constructive to say, but feel the photographer should know that I saw it and what I thought of it. I hope this goes for others as well, because I'd rather have any comment than none. If it's hostile, I'll report it. The End.

jsas

Sony Mavica CD250

01/22/2006 01:20:36 PM · #44

We need to take a breather here and ask ourselves. Do I choose to be offended or am I gonna take the high road and just let it pass? I looked at one of the comments and the commentor's profile said he was 6 and as you look at the rest of his profile he is not serious about anything else. So take into account who says what and just move on.

Message edited by author 2006-01-22 13:20:57.

espy2

Nikon D50

01/22/2006 09:23:09 PM · #45

Hi jsas! Now, you didn't expect me here did you. Be honest! LOL...

My take on it? I HATE and ABHORE comments of anykind on my photos. I don't enter to receive comments. If I want comments, I will submit them to the CC. I enter for the challenges, and I must say I learn little to nothing from comments. If they win, they win. If they don't they don't, but usually I consider myself pretty knowledgable to see why when in comparison to the winning photos. I don't need anything subjective and in some cases, off base, pointed out in my entries.

Metaphorically speaking, we all wear certain clothes because we like them. How would it be to have your clothing critiqued every time you walk out the door by 200 strangers who may like only cotton when you like denim, or vica versa? It's the same in here, or any other site, as far as I am concerned when entering a challenge. I don't care for it.

Most of us enter what we like. If we didn't, we wouldn't enter them. For those that find comments helpful, more power to you, but I do not. I will still wear denim even if you say it should be cotton, because that is what "I" love to wear.

Now, of course, I could turn off my comments while voting is taking place. Don't have to read them, but they will be there come challenge end, and like any train wreck, we all gawk.

Most of the time when there is something wrong with my photo I already know it. Take my shapes entry for example. Now, while processing I realized that I should maybe crop more off the bottom but as an afterthought I didn't. I wish I hadn't got so much tree branch in there, but thought it made good filler, so it didn't bother me. So I expected comments on the crop, and the tree branches. If the branches weren't there, I would have expected comments on a flat sky. If the crop was tighter, I would have expected comments on more showing being better. LOL...

SO, to me, comments are all subjective, and really mean a hill O' beans. Nothing but mixed reviews. Of course, the good ones are always sweet to read, and I get my fair share, however, if I had my "choice" I would choose NO comments and just votes.

Just my take!

Rose

Message edited by author 2006-01-22 21:30:08.

Beetle

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

01/22/2006 09:33:05 PM · #46

Once again I am begging D&L to consider a box that allows people to choose IF they want to have comments or not - but if you tick YES, you're not allowed to moan about negative comments, you have to welcome good AND bad.

SC, I would really appreciate knowing if anything along those lines has been discussed yet, and what sort of a chance there is of implementing it.

Quantaray AF 70-300mm f/4.0-5.6 LD Tele-Macro for Canon

01/22/2006 09:33:19 PM · #47

Aren't votes comments, in their own right; albeit very brief ones?

espy2

Nikon D50

01/22/2006 09:35:20 PM · #48

Originally posted by Beetle:

A FANTASTIC idea!

Rose

espy2

Nikon D50

Quantaray AF 70-300mm f/4.0-5.6 LD Tele-Macro for Canon

01/22/2006 09:36:45 PM · #49

Originally posted by greatandsmall:

Aren't votes comments, in their own right; albeit very brief ones?

Yes, I agree, and they should stand on their own, alone, without words. They are not needed.

I wonder? How many say "great shot!" and vote it a 3? LOL.....

A nice little box that says "no comments please" would be GLORIOUS to me.

Rose

ShutterPug

Canon EOS-6D