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08/16/2002 03:31:34 PM · #26 |
I'm finding that I am scoring lower than usual this week. Many of the images that seem to meet the challenge, aren't very appealing to me, nor technically too good. ON the other hand there are some very nice photographs that have a lot of merit but arn't on subject too well. I take all that into consideration. After all it IS A CHALLENGE! If we must look for meaning in a photograph, I'm not so sure it meets the challenge. I like looking for meaning and depth in photographs but with 160+ photos and a dial up connection it isn't easy. We can post all the photos we want on pbase or somewhere similar, but for a challenge the meaning should be somewhat evident, and be able to reach a diverse voting public.
My own submission for "something old" is a good example of this idea. Very, very few people understood the concept that I was going for, which was that some things are better with age. But now I have a clearer understanding of how people vote. It actually helps me to understand how I can use photography to communicate more effectively.
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08/16/2002 04:40:03 PM · #27 |
john, i have to disagree with you. if you didn't have to meet the challenge, then why have the challenge in the first place? if there wasn't a challenge, then this would just be another 'picture of the week' website. nothing wrong with them (i submit to several of them), but it's the challenge that sets this website apart from others and that has me way more addicted than all the others put together.
Originally posted by floyd:
I'm loving being here but I'm starting to wish that the rules were different. I like having the challenge to start my thought processes. But I would like to see the rules state that photos do not have to fit the challenge. That way all pictures could be judged on their own merits.
John
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08/16/2002 08:03:02 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by Swashbuckler:
I think I am suffering from being "obscure" this week. (No comments to back this up, yet) My shot is a thinker, I expected many would not figure out the new-ness, but on the other hand, I don't have NEW in my title. Would that have helped? (or pissed people off!)
Swash
I personally dislike any part of the title to clarify the challenge. If the photo doesn't show me that it fits the challenge I'll score it lower.
I guess what I am saying is....."This is a themed photography challenge/contest - NOT a title challenge/contest."
If you used "new" in the title I (persoanlly) would have scored it lower. (Just one of my pet peeves, I guess.)
Please email me with an explanation of your photo after the challenge is closed so I will take a second look. This will enable me to get as much persrective into the members minds as possible, and will help me to view the challenges from a more educated perspective.
* This message has been edited by the author on 8/18/2002 12:26:21 AM. |
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08/16/2002 08:57:26 PM · #29 |
"New" Here is the definition "Merriam-Webster Online"
Main Entry: 1new
Pronunciation: 'nü, chiefly British 'nyü, in place names usually (")nu or n& or (")ni
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English nIwe; akin to Old High German niuwi new, Latin novus, Greek neos
Date: before 12th century
1 : having existed or having been made but a short time : RECENT, MODERN
2 a (1) : having been seen, used, or known for a short time : NOVEL <rice was a new crop for the area> (2) : UNFAMILIAR <visit new places> b : being other than the former or old
3 : having been in a relationship or condition but a short time <new to the job>
4 a : beginning as the resumption or repetition of a previous act or thing <a new day> <the new edition> b : made or become fresh <awoke a new person>
5 : different from one of the same category that has existed previously <new realism>
6 : of dissimilar origin and usually of superior quality <introducing new blood>
7 capitalized : MODERN 3; especially : having been in use after medieval times
Now for the dog house, what was the contest was that for old? How long ago did you built this dog house? |
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08/16/2002 09:14:12 PM · #30 |
One more picture
On the old bowl, I now can see what you were putting across. It was hidden in the shadow, the wilted lettuce, dried lemon, nice concept maybe if it were out of the shadows, I would have noticed it sooner. |
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08/17/2002 05:32:33 PM · #31 |
I beg to differ! I saw the oldness in the bowl right away because we have the same kind of bowl here that was my great great grandparents bowl. I do however know, that not everyone is familiar with the same things and I take that into consideration. For example. I didn't know what the old vending cart stove was until after I saw the description, however, it looked old. A lot of people said "I don't know what this is" and most likely voted it low. Who cares what it is. lol. It looked old. In the new challenge, I have the feeling that a few people took pictures of something that was new in their eyes. To me, the ocean would be new!! I've never seen it. But if I posted a picture of the ocean, people would be like "you're crazy". That is where the fine line comes in between meeting the challenge and not meeting the challenge. I posted before that there should be NO confusion in the pencil challenge, but you KNOW that someone is going to have a different view on something. I did say that if I saw a picture of a tree, and the title "future pencil" I was going to scream. lol.
If I feel that something doesn't meet the challenge, I try to think of other views of the exact same picture. for example... The photo of the old boxer was definately old. You could see it in his face. However, if I were to see that same photo in the "something new" challenge I'd originally think that it didn't meet the challenge. So then I would try to look at it another way. Maybe the dog is new to THEM. Just because he's not new in age doesn't mean that some little girl didn't just get him for her birthday. I would state this in a comment though. I'd say that The main subject himself didn't look new, but maybe there were personal meaning behind why they entered it into the new contest. Maybe he was wearing a new collar?? Maybe he was just groomed? Who knows. I go into it assuming that every photo meets the challenge in some way, however, if the subject is pencils (very specificly) and someone posts a photo of a giraffe, I've just GOT to say something. Pencil is very specific. "newness" is very very broad. Have an open mind and a bit of an imagination. I have seen way too many people say that AFTER the voting was over, and read other comments. "Oh!! I see it now". Don't jump the gun. If you don't see it, then that is the photo you should study the hardest. Even if you still feel it doesn't meet the challenge, state that, and then still critique the photo. So it was a picture of a giraffe in a pencil challenge. Say something like "this isn't a picture of a pencil, so it doesn't meet the challenge, but the clarity is awesome!" (only if it is of course). That still lets the photographer be proud of their photo, but lets them know that they just entered it into the wrong contest. And if you know of a contest for giraffes, let them know. Who knows, it could win first place somewhere. Just not in a pencil challenge. lol.
Sorry I'm so long winded. I'm really a stickler about being polite and trying to spare peoples feelings. But I am also a stickler about being honest. Not always easy to do, but if you don't like a photo, try to pick something about it that IS good (if anything) and comment on that too. Well...I've got 1 and a half days left to finish commenting. And have about 40 left to comment on.
~Heather~
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08/17/2002 09:34:23 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by bobgaither:
One more picture
On the old bowl, I now can see what you were putting across. It was hidden in the shadow, the wilted lettuce, dried lemon, nice concept maybe if it were out of the shadows, I would have noticed it sooner.
I see what you mean, Bob, about the shadows, etc. And I do expect and appreciate that type of critique. Thanks. The comments that kinda threw me, were the ones that stated that they didn't see the "Old" theme, but I knew I was taking a chance of my image being misunderstood. I mean, that's ok too...I learn from all the comments. That's precisely why I'm here. ;-)
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08/17/2002 09:45:59 PM · #33 |
Heather you made some good points. The one I applaud is your efforts to be polite and honest at the same time. I also agree with looking more closely at a photo to see how it may meet the challenge in the eyes of the author.
About a giraffe...it could be titled "Pencil Neck" lol...ya think? LOL
I'm glad you recognized the "oldness" of my salad bowl but I also see how others wouldn't know because they are going by their point of reference. One of the great characteristics of this site is the rich diversity of perspectives. There is much insight to be gleaned here. Even if my picture scored soooooooooooooo looooooooooow.....sob sob....lol I hope more and more people will leave comments on the photos in the challenges. Thanks to all of you who so generously make the time to do so.
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08/18/2002 03:09:57 AM · #34 |
syamjonimi,
I get really annoyed with people who try to save an off topic pic with the title, but do you seriously mark shots down based on the title? Do you also give extra points for titles that you like?
I don't spend much time on my titles because I think the pic should stand on its own. I'd hate to think that it might be affecting my score. |
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08/18/2002 09:06:25 AM · #35 |
Titles most definitely do affect a photo, even when people say they don't.
I posted a photo called "Funken Egg"..a play on words.
When I showed the photo to another photographer at my work before I had posted it to the challenge he said.."Thats a cool f***in egg!" I got the funky idea from the 1970's motif and I KNEW the title would bother people. :-P
The comments during the week were cool to read :-) |
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