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01/14/2006 01:10:53 PM · #51 |
Originally posted by jmlelii:
ahhh emo...
First off. My Chemical Romance ISNT EMO. |
THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
MCR is garbage. |
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01/14/2006 01:13:42 PM · #52 |
Originally posted by modgethanc:
I honestly don't think that anyone who hasn't been in high school within the past two or three years is qualified to make any accurate comments about emo as a subculture, because it's really too new to have spread further than high school. |
It's not new at all. That's just what kids who haven't been around long enough to know any better say about just about everything. Just sayin. |
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01/14/2006 01:18:33 PM · #53 |
Originally posted by jmlelii:
ahhh emo...
First off. My Chemical Romance ISNT EMO.
Emo, at least here in philly, is a bunch of indy kids who cry, but are in no way suicidal. Suicidal is goth, and goth and emo are nothing alike, nor will they ever be. Technically, Emo is a form of music and nothing else, but these kids today have drug it out so far that they think its a lifestyle also.
When I think of Emo shots, Joey's photos definitely dont pop up. Hes more grunge punk maybe a little goth but not really. I guess if someone told me they wanted emo shots, id treat it like a band promo shoot and put them on train tracks and things of the like, against the wall with one foot up, etc.
PS. The Get Up Kids are the best band in the world thank you. |
Listen to this man...he knows what he's talking about. My Chemical Romance is not emo. The Get Up Kids rock. And he's right about emo.
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01/14/2006 02:01:31 PM · #54 |
Wow, what a very interesting thread this has turned out to be. You guys/girls have been very helpful and brought forth some nice examples. I've learned a LOT!
From what I see, the clhoice of chothing will be hers or her idea of what Emo is. Ditto with the makeup.
My job will be:
Lighting - I see either extremely flat or extremely harsh .. no stock portrait lighting.
Angle - Very exagerated, perhaps from above 70-80 degrees.
Posing and mood - the vote is unamimous that this should convey sadness.
Post-process - desaturate and cool.
Am I on the right track?
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01/14/2006 02:04:14 PM · #55 |
sounds like you are good to go
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01/14/2006 02:04:17 PM · #56 |
THIS is my definition of "emo"
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01/14/2006 02:07:11 PM · #57 |
LOL I hadn't read your post fotoman, but yes, I think that you're on the right track and if you see my pic here, it nails what you're talking about:
harsh lighting, harsh post processing
conveys sadness
desaturated, "dark" and moody
exaggerated angle...
so there ya go - an example of what you wanted :)
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01/14/2006 02:10:10 PM · #58 |
Thanks Mavrik ... was kinda creepy that I described it and it just magically appeared... lol... wish all my photos would do that :-)
Originally posted by mavrik:
LOL I hadn't read your post fotoman, but yes, I think that you're on the right track and if you see my pic here, it nails what you're talking about:
harsh lighting, harsh post processing
conveys sadness
desaturated, "dark" and moody
exaggerated angle...
so there ya go - an example of what you wanted :) |
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01/14/2006 02:17:17 PM · #59 |
Originally posted by stare_at_the_sun:
sounds like you are good to go |
Woo hooo go me .... and thanks for keeping this thread alive for me... you did a wonderful job of directing it.
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01/14/2006 02:31:18 PM · #60 |
| Of course then there is always "Screamo" ;-P |
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01/14/2006 03:34:46 PM · #61 |
As a goth club scenester since 1995, I have to disagree with your definition of goth. Goth is short for gothic. To be goth is to have an attraction and appreciation for the beauty in macabre arts, styles and cultures. Goths are not sad, by definition. Goths are more often just misunderstood. Goths tend to be links with a love for the renaissance and the romaticism of pirates and poetry. Goths do have an influx of emo kids entering the scene (as has been since Marilyn Manson became mainstream), but the two cultures mesh well together for the most part. Someone who is sad or depressed might relate to the gothic culture more, and therefore call themselves a goth. The goths are open-minded and always accept people who are 'searching' for their soul in life. I do not think goths should be associated with depression and hate... that is just too untrue and a bit upsetting to hear. Goths do love macabre, but not to the point of anger or hate for all things not. I hope this helps clear up goth for you.
As for emo, it's too broad of a category. Emo is more on the morrisey, depeche mode side than goth is. Emo also takes in a lot of pop-punk (since it is emotional music), but i wouldn't generalize this either...
Originally posted by nemesise1977:
Emo is short of emotional. Usually associated with a type of punk music, dosen't have to be dark or depressive but usually focuses on the sad or gloomy side of life
"Pretty much....
I'd say jsut take the picture and add a bit of grunge and darken it up a bit and it'd be good to go.
How would you compare Emo to Goth? "
Emo is more of just showing emotions usually sadnes I wouldn't say suscidal. Goth is more of the dark side of life, like death depression killing hate rage anger and would say goth is very oppsite of emo in the fact it is almost apathetic (Iknow i just described emotions there but think of someone who has thoese feeling but dosent care about the fact thats the way they feel), so like a dark gloomy numb vs emotional sadness |
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01/14/2006 03:43:03 PM · #62 |
| foto - desaturated OR oversaturated if there are strong soild colours like reds. |
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01/14/2006 03:59:01 PM · #63 |
Originally posted by jmlelii:
...Suicidal is goth, and goth and emo are nothing alike, nor will they ever be. Technically, Emo is a form of music and nothing else, but these kids today have drug it out so far that they think its a lifestyle also.
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first of all, goths arent suicidal, that's funny. all of my "goth" friends in the eighties and nineties--the goth that spawned from the breakdown of punk--the goths that wore black and retro clothing, docs and tattooed on their eyebrows and listened to bauhaus, sisters of mercy, husker du, ministry, the cure, christian death, front 242, the smiths, etc--were all smart, funny people that just wanted to make a statement about who they were, a slight rebellion against the mainstream--and they are all still very much alive! go figure.
and in all fairness, you only have to look back over time to see that pretty much every genre of music has had its own fashion and culture. the goths are just one--not unlike the grunge kids who wore flannels and docs and listened to alice in chains, pearl jam, nirvana, soundgarden, mudhoney, mother love bone and the melvins. heck, i used to love going to the lollapaloozas not only for the music, but for the huge mix of cultures and lifestyles represented by the fans of any particular band.
and although when emo music first 'developed', there wasnt as much of a fashion statement involved with it, as most of the people who listened to bands like fugazi and rites of spring and fuel were just dressing bascially in jeans, vintage t-shirts and docs. the emo kids of today seem to be a mixture of the old goth and the old indie rock scene--pretty much all of my friends who went to chapel hill (which had a huge indie rock scene), or were into the indie scene in the late eithties/ninties dressed almost identically to what the "emo" kids of today listening to this post-emo sound are wearing--except for the most part they listened to bands like pavement, dinosaur jr., archers of loaf, superchunk, southern culture on the skids, weezer, sonic youth, big black, husker du, buffalo tom, the pixies, the replacements, ben folds 5...the list goes on. and ironically, if you think about it, bands like dashboard confessional and the get up kids--a lot of what is labeled emo of today--are reminicent of the indie sound as opposed to what was originally tagged as emo, i.e., more emotional than hardcore. oh yeah, and also they were happy. at least as much as any somewhat angsty teenager/early 20's is wont to be. :) |
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01/14/2006 04:43:14 PM · #64 |
Plain Simple:
Punk movement has had many forks off of it. One of which was the goth movement (which was a fork off of punk, combined with more classical, celtic, medieval influences and darker fantasical imagery)
Later, you have new punk, "pop-punk" sounds more like high speed polka with drums.
Emo is another fork off the punk movement, mixed with other influences. Characterized by most others as "whiny". It's amazing, you can buy an emo album and half the songs will be about how the guy's girlfriend left him. And each song will be about a different girl. That's basically emo.
Think of emo as the whiny punk, goth as the morbid cynical punk, new punk as the pop wanna be cool punk.
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01/14/2006 04:45:13 PM · #65 |
Uhh..
Yea Goths 'n emo's are totally different. And emo doesn't have anything to do with selfharm or that kinda stuff. They listen to bands like Atreyu, The Used, My chemical romance, Alexisonfire, From first to last, A static lullaby, and so on..
And they like, dress in tight pants, wear dark make-up, usually black or dark hair..
I think with an emo pic she meant dressed up as an emo an then like have a 'depressive' background, take some pics on the street in the dark or with junkies..
Be creative. ^^ |
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01/14/2006 05:36:41 PM · #66 |
| Just spoke with my sixteen year old daughters and told them about this thread and as soon as I said that the request was for "emo" style shots. They said in almost perfect unison "oh extreme angles". From above or from below etc. |
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01/14/2006 05:42:54 PM · #67 |
Originally posted by BaldurT:
Of course then there is always "Screamo" ;-P |
I love screamo. Thursday is amazing...
As far as photos ive had a few days to think about this, and you definitely have to go with crazy angles. An extreme wide angle also is mandatory. I dont think harsh lighting is neccessary, but think about using gels/hot lights if you are using a studio type environment. I think perspective is key however.
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01/18/2006 11:26:34 PM · #68 |
Originally posted by mirdonamy:
As a goth club scenester since 1995, I have to disagree with your definition of goth. Goth is short for gothic. To be goth is to have an attraction and appreciation for the beauty in macabre arts, styles and cultures. Goths are not sad, by definition. Goths are more often just misunderstood. Goths tend to be links with a love for the renaissance and the romaticism of pirates and poetry. Goths do have an influx of emo kids entering the scene (as has been since Marilyn Manson became mainstream), but the two cultures mesh well together for the most part. Someone who is sad or depressed might relate to the gothic culture more, and therefore call themselves a goth. The goths are open-minded and always accept people who are 'searching' for their soul in life. I do not think goths should be associated with depression and hate... that is just too untrue and a bit upsetting to hear. Goths do love macabre, but not to the point of anger or hate for all things not. I hope this helps clear up goth for you.
As for emo, it's too broad of a category. Emo is more on the morrisey, depeche mode side than goth is. Emo also takes in a lot of pop-punk (since it is emotional music), but i wouldn't generalize this either...
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I had black spiky hair back when Bela Lugosi was dead, before Goth had a name.Grossly misunderstood genre!!Thanks for putting it so succinctly :)) |
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01/19/2006 12:30:43 AM · #69 |
Originally posted by Rae-Ann:
I had black spiky hair back when Bela Lugosi was dead, before Goth had a name.Grossly misunderstood genre!!Thanks for putting it so succinctly :)) |
You mean to tell me Lugosi's not dead anymore? Jeesh! Can't a dead person just stay dead? |
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01/19/2006 12:47:49 AM · #70 |
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01/19/2006 01:20:19 AM · #71 |
Originally posted by fayepek:
:) |
LMAO...I was waiting for somebody to do that. BTW, nice detail in the shot. |
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01/19/2006 03:06:18 AM · #72 |
Someone mentioned him along the way here.
Highly amusing thread as I struggle to understand today's youth.
Just give me that old time Rock and Roll... oops, wrong thread. Carry on. :)
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01/19/2006 03:08:00 AM · #73 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Someone mentioned him along the way here.
Highly amusing thread as I struggle to understand today's youth.
Just give me that old time Rock and Roll... oops, wrong thread. Carry on. :) |
Emo Phillips has gone to a radical new look lately.. short spikey blonde hair and a goatee.. same depressed whine act though.. it's even more hilarious since he looks like a lumberjack. |
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02/06/2006 10:23:24 AM · #74 |
| I came across this video the other day and it reminded me of this thread: //www.nearlygood.com/video/mustbeemo.html |
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09/12/2007 05:07:29 PM · #75 |
| Alright I am just getting in this but now I am throwing out some random shit. I never have seen a African American call themselves goth or punk or emo without being fake in all my years. I am African American so don't think I am being racist. Also The get up boys are awesome as hell. And I believe emo, like punk and I think goth just came from bands and ended up trends that were lifestyles. Now a days when you hear the word it is just a shrug, and someone fake is using it. Really they need to quit and someone needs to give them a new word to adjust the confusion. |
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