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01/03/2006 11:14:59 AM · #1 |
....Lawrence of Arabia lately?
Or an Abe Lincoln, or Martin Luther King, or Mozart, or Thomas Jefferson, or Plato, or Ghandi? The list goes on.
Has technology dulled mans spirit?
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01/03/2006 11:16:47 AM · #2 |
I'm to be the next Ansel Adams! :P
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01/03/2006 11:38:19 AM · #3 |
Nope...society has just gotten itself screwed up.
(ie: Father of Modern Terrorism "Yasser Arafat" receives Nobel Peace Prize)
But we have our "Michael Jordan" (Mozart).
Abe Lincoln? was quite disliked and was considered a horrible president by many. It took a few decades to look back and change opinion. He was a war president. In fact, if you read many newspaper articles on President Lincoln from that time it will sound like you're reading today's paper about President Bush.
You are also forgetting the ones we have had...
- Mother Theresa
- Steve Jobs & Bill Gates
- Steven Spielberg
- Google (yes, it will one day be sentient)
- Stephen Hawking
So we have some of these as well. But such is not memorialized until after death.
Einstein, now there was a wonderful exception. Einstein was intriguing in that he could be related to by the common man. He was uniquely eccentric. A genius to conceptualize the term. His hair wild and untamed and his mind well ahead of it's time. A heart toward peace. And a smile that endeared generations to him.
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01/03/2006 11:49:22 AM · #4 |
Originally posted by theSaj:
- Mother Theresa
- Steve Jobs & Bill Gates
- Steven Spielberg
- Google (yes, it will one day be sentient)
- Stephen Hawking
Einstein, now there was a wonderful exception. |
I'm sorry, I was just going to sit back and watch this thread, but I have got to honestly say that Steven Spielberg, Steve Jobs and Bill Gates are not even on the same plateue with Mother Theresa, Einstein, Thomas Jefferson, Stephen Hawking.
Their contributions are in a total differant catagory than the others. Communications, and Entertainment isn't equal to social responsability.
Am I wrong?
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01/03/2006 11:57:07 AM · #5 |
Hmmm, just because we have not heard the names of the men and woman who are the new age thinkers or explorers does not mean that they are not around. The Popular Media focus today seems to be more on the glamous and the notorious rather than the explorers and scientists. However there are some exceptions:
The group of individuals that created and manned SpaceShipOne that went on to make history on October 4, 2004, becoming the first private manned spacecraft to exceed an altitude of 328,000.
Jane Goodall's work and research with the Chimpanzees has helped us today to a greater understanding with these amazing creatures - and thus it also helps us understand our human nature as well. According to her Bio Louis Leakey chose her over university degreed scientists because she would not fall into the same patterns of thinking 'inside the box' of what was accepted at the time. Because of her patient study of the chimps she was able to get closer than anyone had EVER got before and was able to show us what their world was like in the wild.
One can also argue for what human rights causes that Bono and Bob Geldolf have championed also elevate them into the realm of 'Extra - Ordinary' individuals. They have tackled and accomplished things on the humanism front.
I am sure I could think of others as well if we reflect on recent developments and discoveries. |
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01/03/2006 11:57:20 AM · #6 |
| The current generation will have its icons, they're just not easy to distinguish until history has a chance to clear the static a bit. |
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01/03/2006 11:59:24 AM · #7 |
| I also forgot to mention Jane Goodall is trying to educate the masses about human responsibility to the planet at large. |
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01/03/2006 12:00:28 PM · #8 |
Or do we have that many great people now that there is no way they can be recognised??
Originally posted by American_Horse:
....Lawrence of Arabia lately?
Or an Abe Lincoln, or Martin Luther King, or Mozart, or Thomas Jefferson, or Plato, or Ghandi? The list goes on.
Has technology dulled mans spirit? |
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01/03/2006 12:04:24 PM · #9 |
Nelson Mandela? Kofi Annan?
And even though Bill Gates owns microsoft, he does have one helluva community service program. |
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01/03/2006 12:04:58 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by theSaj:
You are also forgetting the ones we have had...
- Mother Theresa
- Steve Jobs & Bill Gates
- Steven Spielberg
- Google (yes, it will one day be sentient)
- Stephen Hawking
So we have some of these as well. But such is not memorialized until after death.
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You're forgetting D&L ... :-)
No seriously, you made some good examples. I'd say this list is much bigger then the few examples you've made. We in the present often fail to realize the impact we and others will make on the history of the future.
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01/03/2006 12:07:23 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
We in the present often fail to realize the impact we and others will make on the history of the future. |
Not being recognized for my greatness until after my death is part of my plan. |
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01/03/2006 12:08:57 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by theSaj:
Nope...society has just gotten itself screwed up.
(ie: Father of Modern Terrorism "Yasser Arafat" receives Nobel Peace Prize) |
Well, there seems to be a lot of that going on - what do I know....
Originally posted by theSaj:
You are also forgetting the ones we have had...
- Mother Theresa
- Steve Jobs & Bill Gates
- Steven Spielberg
- Google (yes, it will one day be sentient)
- Stephen Hawking
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I don't think Jobs, Gates, Spielberg or Google are really on the same level as the other two but I suspect Gates will have a place in the history books (no doubt minus the damage his company has done:)
In all likelyhood the more promonent people in history will probably be the more minor players today as that seems to be the way it works.
Einstein is interesting; on one hand peaceful and on the other part of his work anything but (yeah, I know others would have stepped up in his place). |
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01/03/2006 12:14:47 PM · #13 |
On the Bill Gates ticket...
Linus Torvalds in many ways has achieved icon status. Depending on the success of the open source movement, I believe history wull put him on a fairly high pedistal.
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01/03/2006 12:15:53 PM · #14 |
there's lots of people living now we will see as 'icons' 10-20 years from now, or when they die or get assassinated.
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01/03/2006 12:38:17 PM · #15 |
Ted Turner has done a lot too.
It seems more is done with money these days than protests.
We have more freedoms in America these days though so there is less to protest.
Edit, and what about Ronald Reagan?
Message edited by author 2006-01-03 12:39:03. |
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01/03/2006 12:58:29 PM · #16 |
what about Bono and the Drop the Debt campaign???
2002
Today |
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01/03/2006 12:59:03 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by American_Horse:
Their contributions are in a total differant catagory than the others. Communications, and Entertainment isn't equal to social responsability.
Am I wrong? |
What was Mozart if not entertainment? Ditto Beethoven, Wagner, JS Bach, et cetera.
Message edited by author 2006-01-03 12:59:46. |
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01/03/2006 01:25:28 PM · #18 |
I don't know how loosely you are defining "today", but if Mozart "qualifies" for the icon-list, then for more contemporary times how about the Beatles?
It is possible, depending on how his theories pan out, that Julian Jaynes ("The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind") may become recognized as one of the most original thinkers ever in the area of human consciousness and intelligence.
There's a complete absence of medical representation on this list, also. And arguably the medical profession is doing more to better the condition of mankind than any other class of workers/thinkers of the last 50 years.
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01/03/2006 01:25:48 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by saracat:
Originally posted by American_Horse:
Their contributions are in a total differant catagory than the others. Communications, and Entertainment isn't equal to social responsability.
Am I wrong? |
What was Mozart if not entertainment? Ditto Beethoven, Wagner, JS Bach, et cetera. |
like i said, its just cause they're dead.
kurt cobain grew 10 times larger when he died.
and is credited with the grunge movement.
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01/03/2006 01:30:23 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by saintaugust:
like i said, its just cause they're dead.
kurt cobain grew 10 times larger when he died.
and is credited with the grunge movement. |
ROTFLMAO (in a good way): only in DPC can we find Kurt Cobain and the "grunge movement" even putatively placed up on the same pedestal with Ghandi...
Robt. |
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01/03/2006 01:30:58 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
There's a complete absence of medical representation on this list, also. And arguably the medical profession is doing more to better the condition of mankind than any other class of workers/thinkers of the last 50 years.
R. |
Bear, you make an excellent point there. That work tends to be collaborative today, though. Who gets the credit?
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01/03/2006 01:43:12 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
ROTFLMAO (in a good way): only in DPC can we find Kurt Cobain and the "grunge movement" even putatively placed up on the same pedestal with Ghandi...
Robt. |
Actually, Cobain only popularized a musical movement. He heavily sampled and copied other artists..particularly the Meat Puppets.
Nirvana did for grunge what The Beatles did for english pop rock.
Roy Orbison or even Johnny Cash could be considered more of a pioneer than The Beatles (especilly The Beatles early stuff). |
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01/03/2006 01:50:45 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by saintaugust:
like i said, its just cause they're dead.
kurt cobain grew 10 times larger when he died.
and is credited with the grunge movement. |
ROTFLMAO (in a good way): only in DPC can we find Kurt Cobain and the "grunge movement" even putatively placed up on the same pedestal with Ghandi...
Robt. |
i was more comparing him to mozart...
seeing as they are both musicians.
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01/03/2006 01:55:04 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
There's a complete absence of medical representation on this list, also. And arguably the medical profession is doing more to better the condition of mankind than any other class of workers/thinkers of the last 50 years.
R. |
Bear, you make an excellent point there. That work tends to be collaborative today, though. Who gets the credit? |
Yes, that's my implied point. For really big changes, we are moving away from individuals to much larger, more collaborative efforts. In the sciences, at least, the day of the paradigm-altering individual may be essentially past. But most substantive change is coming from the sciences now.
R. |
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01/03/2006 01:55:53 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by saintaugust:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by saintaugust:
like i said, its just cause they're dead.
kurt cobain grew 10 times larger when he died.
and is credited with the grunge movement. |
ROTFLMAO (in a good way): only in DPC can we find Kurt Cobain and the "grunge movement" even putatively placed up on the same pedestal with Ghandi...
Robt. |
i was more comparing him to mozart...
seeing as they are both musicians. |
Yes, of course; that's why I was laughing in a good way. It just is amusing.
R. |
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