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01/02/2006 03:23:53 AM · #1
Wouldn't it be a very useful learning tool for all if those with top five entries in any challenge could voluntarily post their untouched (but for resizing) originals?

A post-mortem of this sort might shed some light to all of us and enhance the value of this site further.

Any thought on this?
01/02/2006 03:28:11 AM · #2
good idea!
01/02/2006 03:36:27 AM · #3
agreed, great idea!
01/02/2006 03:43:25 AM · #4
Would love to see that.
01/02/2006 03:51:22 AM · #5
While I agree it would be interesting to see, it would not improve anyones ability to take a photograph. The only thing that can be learned by comparing the original to the submitted image are post-processing technigue -- and that only if the photographer is willing to share. From the distinct lack of informtion in the photographer's comments section, I surmise many are not so willing. There are many who simply don't know themselves -- they are the "play with it until it looks good" crowd.

The photography is performed with a camera in hand, not a keyboard. How was the shot set up? What retakes were made? Why, what was not right about the first shots? It's the thinking process and the actions that lead to the shutter click that is finally chosen as 'the one' that could improve our ability to take photographs. The post processing, while fun, is just preparing the photograph for display.

David
01/02/2006 05:35:01 AM · #6
Originally posted by David.C:


The post processing, while fun, is just preparing the photograph for display.


but it is also the last part of the vision that went into the shot
do you not imagine what the final shot will look like when looking at the scene
ie. this will look good as a B&W or over saturated or with a glow or high key
as these things will determine how you shoot the scene to start with
so editing is a big part of the shot

I don't mind showing my ribbon original
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I under exposed the shot so as not to blow out the whites knowing I could lighten it up and bring out the colors in processing after
I still ended up with to much noise in the sky because of my camera so I ended up with a heavy crop
01/02/2006 06:00:15 AM · #7
Originally posted by Firsty:

Originally posted by David.C:


The post processing, while fun, is just preparing the photograph for display.


but it is also the last part of the vision that went into the shot
do you not imagine what the final shot will look like when looking at the scene
ie. this will look good as a B&W or over saturated or with a glow or high key
as these things will determine how you shoot the scene to start with
so editing is a big part of the shot

I don't mind showing my ribbon original
~
I under exposed the shot so as not to blow out the whites knowing I could lighten it up and bring out the colors in processing after
I still ended up with to much noise in the sky because of my camera so I ended up with a heavy crop

Absolutely -- I agree completely. Post processing is very important -- just as important as choosing the paper to print it on or the frame and matting to display it with. But, post processing can not make the picture -- that has to be there before sitting down at the computer.

From my point of view, you make this arguement yourself with the last couple of sentences of your post. You made the important decisions before you clicked the shutter.

What I was trying to say, is that by visualizing the final image, the photograph is made before the shutter is clicked. The post processing, while important, is just the trim and polish that makes it presentable.

In a movie about chess, one of the coaches told the kid something to the effect of "don't move it until you see it", meaning to not move his pieces until he could see the checkmate. Clicking the shutter is like that. If I can't see the final image, I would be relying on 'blind' luck to give me an image I could salvage in post processing. For me, that is not 'making the photograph', the photograph is made when, as you say, the photographer looks at the scene and sees that "this will look good as a B&W or over saturated or with a glow or high key".

I agree that seeing the originals are very interesting (thanks for posting yours) -- but it's not really educational without the comments you provided about why you exposed it the way you did so it would meet your vision.

I think we're saying very near the same thing, but I may not be saying it clearly.

David
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