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12/29/2005 07:17:43 PM · #1 |
Is it ok to not reveal your techniques? Lets say you have spent considerable time developing a technique and gotten very good at it but dont want competition. Is it ok to just say its my intellectual property?
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12/29/2005 07:22:26 PM · #2 |
Well, sure it's OK. Kind of goes against the spirit of the site, but that's your call. Isn't there anyone here YOU'VE learned something from? Don't you feel an urge to pay it on?
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12/29/2005 07:31:04 PM · #3 |
at some point you get to where a technique actually is some sort of IP that only you know how to do.
If you didn't learn it from someone else, and it isn't readily available in another class, it may be that you should keep it near and dear.
I don't think the sprit of the site is to give away things you have worked on, like the Copyright to one of my images, so I'm not sure about the "sprit" argument on this particular case.
That is assuming that you are actually one of a select few (or the only one) that have learned this PS technique, and it is really that powerful of an effect.
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12/29/2005 07:34:16 PM · #4 |
I am not sure about photography, but in painting and sketching there are few things i never teach anybody(at least today i am in no mood of teching them).
The reason is, i spent around 13 years figure out them, i spent numerous hours in museums, i read lot of books and worked very hard on it. I belive they should not get it so easily.
Originally posted by Niten:
Is it ok to not reveal your techniques? Lets say you have spent considerable time developing a technique and gotten very good at it but dont want competition. Is it ok to just say its my intellectual property?
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12/29/2005 07:38:10 PM · #5 |
The truth is, as someone already mentioned, the information is probably already out there. If they want it bad enough, they will find it anyway. That being said, and I'm assuming we're talking about some information or technique that it took you a long while to gather, organize and refine.
If it took you a long while and you put a lot of effort into refining a technique that now seems easy to you, I see no point in, for example, writing a two-page tutorial that shows everyone exactly how to do it.
Good luck...and never feel selfish because you feel you have something that you're not willing to share. It happens.
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12/29/2005 07:38:56 PM · #6 |
| I always hate seeing the photographer's comments section blank on a challenge photo. After the challenge ends I like to be able to see what a photographer was thinking, where and when it was taken, why, that sort of thing, and maybe a bit about how a shot was accomplished but if you've got something really creative there's no need to give it away entirely, just say "accomplished using my own special technique" or something. |
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12/29/2005 07:44:21 PM · #7 |
Depends on the 'technique' and how original it actually is. It may be something you worked on, but if you posted it here per se, I bet there would be others who would chime in on how they achieved the same/nearly the same results. Perhaps even giving you ideas/pointers on how you could perfect your particular take on the idea.
Also, is it processing or shooting? Or what?
I agree with bear on this one. There are a lot of people here who glean information on every aspect of what we do and take it for granted. As in, don't contribute back. And I again agree with bear that that is kind of the spirit of the site - learning, knowledge, improvement. if it is photo or processing related, why not name it after you or something connected to you? Share and get credit.
If it is not photo/processing related then more info is needed...as in what are the potential financial gains from this 'technique...' etc.
Also, why do you think you would have competition if other people knew of your technique?
But more importantly...where did you glean the information/skill/steps to even develop this technique? Is EVERYTHING you do from knowledge you COMPLETELY obtained on your own?
Message edited by author 2005-12-29 19:47:49. |
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12/29/2005 07:46:31 PM · #8 |
In my field, I am a Pastry Chef, when I was younger in my career, I would never give out a recipe I developed!! It was a Top Secret!!
What I have learned as I got wiser was that, I can teach you how to bake something, and even give you detailed instructions ie recipes, And your work will never look the same as mine.
IMO The artists input is as important if not more then technique...
My wee 2 cents... |
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12/29/2005 07:57:17 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by Rae-Ann:
In my field, I am a Pastry Chef, when I was younger in my career, I would never give out a recipe I developed!! It was a Top Secret!!
What I have learned as I got wiser was that, I can teach you how to bake something, and even give you detailed instructions ie recipes, And your work will never look the same as mine.
IMO The artists input is as important if not more then technique...
My wee 2 cents... |
very good point
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12/29/2005 08:03:42 PM · #10 |
| I've come up with a few unusual techniques on occassion, and I make it a point to explain everything on the post-challenge details. I have already gained more from others on this site than I could ever lose by "giving away" the techniques. |
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12/29/2005 08:05:46 PM · #11 |
now i think i can write to you about learning how to cook Pastery, was bit hesitant.
Originally posted by Rae-Ann:
In my field, I am a Pastry Chef, when I was younger in my career, I would never give out a recipe I developed!! It was a Top Secret!!
What I have learned as I got wiser was that, I can teach you how to bake something, and even give you detailed instructions ie recipes, And your work will never look the same as mine.
IMO The artists input is as important if not more then technique...
My wee 2 cents... |
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12/29/2005 08:11:35 PM · #12 |
very few things are original
and it it proabably better to explain it correctly
than have the rabble explain it for you ...
& who knows maybe some one can improve 'it' & give you even more tools to work with ..
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12/29/2005 08:11:45 PM · #13 |
I respect it! However it is ego driven.
I am a learner, and I couldn't possibly give back what I have taken from this site. <-most of the time I feel terrible for it. However, I respect it, because it would be a tad bit aggravating to see some chump ass wannabe artist play up on my style. Either way true art will live, and mickey mouse fun-time B.S. will probably eventually fade.
Wow, I never intended on that sounding so hostile. I respect it, (the position that is.) Either/Or! Have fun, absorb beauty, <-more important to me anyway. |
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12/29/2005 08:15:58 PM · #14 |
Do what you want.
You get what you give.
No give, no get.
(It's a karma thing.)
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12/29/2005 08:16:08 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
I've come up with a few unusual techniques on occassion, and I make it a point to explain everything on the post-challenge details. I have already gained more from others on this site than I could ever lose by "giving away" the techniques. |
Agreed. In my case, since everything I know has been gleaned from this site. Well, I taught myself how to make psuedo-tesselations for seamless background patterns in high school, but that's beside the point.
I'm willing to share the little I know with anyone who wants to listen. I think it would be extremely hypocritical for me to do otherwise, since I am not the creator of any techniques i currently know.
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12/29/2005 08:19:10 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by zxaar:
now i think i can write to you about learning how to cook Pastery, was bit hesitant.
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Lol Anything at all you want to ask, I would gladly help you with! Knowledge is best shared.... |
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12/29/2005 08:19:25 PM · #17 |
This could also lead to another robust debate over how much photoshop should actually be used to create a truly original photo. I mean you have some people that say click it or flick it. ie; shoot the shot as it sits and be happy, or throw it away.
then the opposite side of people, that believe imagery is the fascination, and get it at any means possible. LMAO, again I respect both sides, and again I would say have fun, absorb beauty! |
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12/29/2005 08:21:19 PM · #18 |
i will soon trouble you, thanks.
Originally posted by Rae-Ann:
Originally posted by zxaar:
now i think i can write to you about learning how to cook Pastery, was bit hesitant.
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Lol Anything at all you want to ask, I would gladly help you with! Knowledge is best shared.... |
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12/29/2005 08:31:02 PM · #19 |
I'm not holding out on anyone. I asked another photog about a technique and he nicely refused any help. I'm not mad at him but it doesn't seem right.
by they way it wasn't anyone from DPC, I have never seen anyone here holding out. Although there may have been some shading here and there. |
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12/29/2005 08:41:06 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by Niten:
I'm not holding out on anyone. I asked another photog about a technique and he nicely refused any help. I'm not mad at him but it doesn't seem right.
by they way it wasn't anyone from DPC, I have never seen anyone here holding out. Although there may have been some shading here and there. |
That's a relief :-)
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12/29/2005 08:59:34 PM · #21 |
yeah, it seems to me that many of the "schooled" photogs about come out with a snotty upturned nose.
It's an unfortunate side affect of higher-education sometimes, especially in the arts.
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12/29/2005 09:35:50 PM · #22 |
| I feel like I don't know anything, so i generally feel comfortable giving nothing away.. |
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12/29/2005 10:20:13 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by Niten:
I'm not holding out on anyone. I asked another photog about a technique and he nicely refused any help. I'm not mad at him but it doesn't seem right.
by they way it wasn't anyone from DPC, I have never seen anyone here holding out. Although there may have been some shading here and there. |
//www.sachawaldman.com/
Ask Sacha Waldman about his technique ... how does he post-process, he won't even reply back. Heck, the guy made more on 50-cent's latest CD-cover than 99% of us will ever make in our entire lifetimes in the field.
Not that if he told anyone something about it they would be able to reproduce his 'painterly' effect, because it's not just about the technique...I'm sure the guy could ribbon on command in any basic editing challenge he chose.
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12/29/2005 11:12:03 PM · #24 |
This is a fascinating topic for a learning site. Technique means different things to different people and it is all dependent on your personal development. If you learn a technique too early you may not have use for it because the overall caliber of your work may still be lacking in basic areas. You see, photography, like any other art, is simply rendering with know how along with the use of the medium. We all have a different take on application.
Often you can study a medium and miss out on something that needs explanation. Lacking teachers, the old adage of copying remains a very potent teacher. You can only copy according to your current understanding, but even in failing you learn that another means was used. The better you get, the more you are able to copy until you reach a stage where you find yourself and your own style and the quality you choose to deliver.
You see, suppose I was learning to paint and a master said to me that every light follows a shadow and every shadow follows a light and with this in mind to look at a classic painting and to look at the way the blue sky meets the figure and then to notice how the blue sky receives a lightening right before touching the flesh of the figure and to note how the tone flesh gets a touch darker before it meets the light blue...Well, what am I going to do with this at this stage. He can even explain the art of glazing to obtain depth and it still means nothing to me. The same applies to all the arts.
Now, there is nothing new under the sun and a highly experience practitioner can copy or imitate anything he chooses. However, the desire and the spirit to share is the reason people gather under one banner. If you join a site like this to show off your prodigious talent then your object is solely self aggrandizement. This is not aimed at the author of this thread because it has already been explained that it was a question asked to another artist.
Yes, there are many that will not explain their technique often for the exact reasons stated above while others guard their knowledge. They do not see a need to share. This is the way they choose to live. I recall, when James Brown burst into the scene, the guitarist would face away from the audience to hide the technique. Come on, everyone that was advanced was able to copy the style.
I never ask how something was done, I work on it until I do it but that is provided it suits my style and purpose. However, I divulge all I know and I have still managed to have made a pretty good dollar in this business. Besides, the gratitude is the payment that can not be matched with money. |
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