Shallow DOF II scores - DPChallenge Forums

12/22/2005 09:47:31 AM · #126

Originally posted by Rose8699:

Really? I didn't know that. Then it seems like a LOT of entries are bokeh then, and not Shallow DOF. Hmmmmmm

Rose

You can't separate shallow DOF and bokeh, they go together. For shallow DOF you will use a larger aperture and it will result in the background being blurred and you will see nice round (close to round ) shapes for any light source or bright OOF objects. The difference between the challenges is that for Bokeh, you would try to use a background that produces nice bokeh, but for shallow dof you may not pay attention to bokeh, but concentrate on how the shallow dof and focus only on your subject makes it pop out or gives it an interesting look as compared to any other composition.
this is what I think, opinions may vary :)

Olympus 40-150mm f/2.8 PRO M.Zuiko

12/22/2005 09:49:27 AM · #127

Originally posted by vikas:

oh well ... here comes some more beating from the voters :P

don't worry about the beatings. it will make you work harder as it did for me and trust me its going to make you think more about what people like and how you can appeal to them :)

Brad

Olympus OM-D E-M1

12/22/2005 09:55:38 AM · #128

Here is a good example of bokeh AND shallow depth of field on a shot I took a couple months ago. I wish I could have recreated this one for this challenge, but ended up doing something completely different:

vikas

Apple iPhone 13

Nikon AF-S DX Nikkor 35mm f/1.8G

12/22/2005 10:07:05 AM · #129

Originally posted by gaurawa:

Originally posted by vikas:

oh well ... here comes some more beating from the voters :P

don't worry about the beatings. it will make you work harder as it did for me and trust me its going to make you think more about what people like and how you can appeal to them :)

I definitely don't mind the hits of a low score, as long as I keep getting the critical comments, I like a 4 with a comment telling me whats wrong as opposed to a 5 with no comment (5 to me symbolizes, ok you entered the challenge, but I don't want to look at this picture again so here you go take a 5).... in just last few weeks I have started looking at my shots differently.

espy2

Nikon D50

Quantaray AF 70-300mm f/4.0-5.6 LD Tele-Macro for Canon

12/22/2005 10:40:30 AM · #130

Originally posted by gaurawa:

Originally posted by Rose8699:

Really? I didn't know that. Then it seems like a LOT of entries are bokeh then, and not Shallow DOF. Hmmmmmm

Rose

You can't separate shallow DOF and bokeh, they go together. For shallow DOF you will use a larger aperture and it will result in the background being blurred and you will see nice round (close to round ) shapes for any light source or bright OOF objects. The difference between the challenges is that for Bokeh, you would try to use a background that produces nice bokeh, but for shallow dof you may not pay attention to bokeh, but concentrate on how the shallow dof and focus only on your subject makes it pop out or gives it an interesting look as compared to any other composition.
this is what I think, opinions may vary :)

Well, that makes more sense to me now. I mean, there has to be a difference between the two, even slightly, if there is one.

Thanks for the clarification - and for those that think I am rescoring.....NO WAY! LOL...I wouldn't want to go through that again.

By the way, your definition of Shallow DOF and the difference fits my photo exactly. Yet it is still plummeting in score. :( Oh well, guess my talents lie mostly in food sculptures! LOL...

Rose

hutch699

Canon EOS-300D Rebel

Tamron AF 100-300mm f/5-6.3 for Canon

12/22/2005 11:40:04 AM · #131

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Obviosly somebody hated it. Got great comments from those that liked it, but really need comments from those that dislike it, to know why, so I can make the next one better, just for you ;-)

o2bskating

Canon EOS-350D Rebel XT

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6

12/22/2005 11:45:31 AM · #132

ok i'm sneeking at work.....my bad... i think the same about comments i would like more comments from the ppl who don't like them and explain exactly what they don't like about it.

that would help

later

espy2

Nikon D50

Quantaray AF 70-300mm f/4.0-5.6 LD Tele-Macro for Canon

12/22/2005 11:50:43 AM · #133

I got ONE comment, and it is fantastic. Yet, the photo is still sinking faster than a rock on scores. LOL.... 4.7 YUCK!

Rose

Azrifel

Fujifilm X100VI

12/22/2005 11:52:16 AM · #134

Just got a comment of a person who didn't look at shallow dof in the depth of the image but in the % of visble flat surface. So it doesn't matter if my dof is 5cm in a total depth of 15m, no I made a bad decision by making that 5cm of dof cover 30% of the frame.

When you vote like that you're an idiot, crap like that pissis me off.

The photo is at 5.3something at the moment. I'm not mad because of that, I expected that, because I chose something that I like and not what dpc likes. But jeez, most of my photo is in focus (not). Yeah, and I am Santa Claus.

When I had wanted to score high I'd have reshot this, but I don't like 'studio' stuff:

Message edited by author 2005-12-22 11:54:57.

msieglerfr

Nikon D200

Nikon AF Zoom-Nikkor 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5D

12/22/2005 12:07:23 PM · #135

Very nice shot indeed BradP.

Message edited by author 2005-12-22 12:15:34.

ergo

12/22/2005 12:13:34 PM · #136

Frankly, after seeing the shot from the previous posting, I'm inclined to vote similar shots higher. I'm in complete agreement, and as a matter of fact, I'll go back to all the votes I've done and revise them based on this new "epiphany." Right.

For those who don't get sarcasm:
Can we get away from all the second guessing and speculations about what would score high or low, please? The voting period is JUST a week SHORT. I think it's a real dis-service when we get outtakes, arguments about what meets the terms of the challenge, or postings with shots that "would have certainly been a winner" during that short week, etc.

Message edited by author 2005-12-22 12:14:30.

Brad

Olympus OM-D E-M1

Olympus 40-150mm f/2.8 PRO M.Zuiko

12/22/2005 12:40:25 PM · #137

Well I certainly hope I swayed no one, nor offended anyone.
Seemed a question regarding sdof and bokeh came up. I thought this a good venue to clarify definitions and posted an example, unlike ANY in the challenge and unlike anything I entered.

Sorry if this was inappropriate.

jrtodd

Nikon D850

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

12/22/2005 12:50:16 PM · #138

Originally posted by BradP:

Well Brad this is a site for learning, and what has been said and done on this thread is not different than any other challenge when there is differing opinions on the topic.

Nice picture,
John

ShaneBlake

Nikon D7100

Sigma 30mm f/1.4 EX DC HSM for Nikon

12/22/2005 12:58:10 PM · #139

Originally posted by kudzu:

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yeah... ok... no last minute entries taken while on vacation for me... yeesh...

Prof_Fate

12/22/2005 01:36:30 PM · #140

Man, the hangover is the worst part. For a couple of days i've been ridin' high, reaching 6.3!
Well, the party's over - back to 6.09 now. Trolls! The lot of ya! LOL
I got a new toy (borrowed) to play with...off to process thepics and see what it does...

melismatica

Minolta DiMAGE F200

12/22/2005 01:58:32 PM · #141

Originally posted by vikas:

Originally posted by Rose8699:

Originally posted by BradP:

Originally posted by o2bskating:
what is Bokeh.

To quote from the Bokeh Challenge:

Loosely defined, bokeh is the quality and "feel" of the out-of-focus foreground or background elements of a photo.

Really? I didn't know that. Then it seems like a LOT of entries are bokeh then, and not Shallow DOF. Hmmmmmm

Rose

oh well ... here comes some more beating from the voters :P

I am not doing bad so far (considering I don't like the shot myself too much) swaying at 5.6+ with 12 comments, you can see something is really wrong when there are many comments and an alright score.

Mine was definitely a bokeh shot (I forgot about that term) but does it automatically follow that shallow depth of field can't be a bokeh shot? Isn't bokeh just an extremely shallow DOF? The challenge didn't mention degrees.

BTW, this is my first challenge since Pink (back in Feb) and I'm getting slammed. I withdrew my original entry and submitted something different that I actually worked quite hard on. I'm not really surprised by the results though. I just hope I receive more than two comments. I seem to have quite a bit of people looking and not voting. I can't remember if that is the norm for me. Here's the shot I withdrew. Not exactly original (which is why I had second thoughts). This one version from about 80 shots.

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samchad

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

12/22/2005 02:36:30 PM · #142

[quote] Just got a comment of a person who didn't look at shallow dof in the depth of the image but in the % of visble flat surface. So it doesn't matter if my dof is 5cm in a total depth of 15m, no I made a bad decision by making that 5cm of dof cover 30% of the frame. [/quote]

I just got the same comment!! Feel the same way!

Message edited by author 2005-12-22 14:37:12.

shanksware

Canon EOS-5D

Canon EF 85mm f/1.2L II USM

12/22/2005 02:50:06 PM · #143

Originally posted by samchad:

Me too.
or is it three.

JoshuaM

Canon EOS-50D

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

12/22/2005 04:26:10 PM · #144

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Wow, all those decimal places and I end up with an even 5.5. Hopefully it stays 5.5+. That would be nice.

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-70mm f/3.5-4.5G IF-ED

12/22/2005 05:48:07 PM · #145

voting slowed down, no new comments in a looooooonnnnnng time

Caitlyn

Nikon D70

12/22/2005 05:55:13 PM · #146

What are comments?

Forgot to add the ;-) to this.

Still fairly new here with no confidence in my own judgment yet to be telling anyone else what is wrong with their photos when I can't even figure out what is wrong with my own!

Originally posted by gaurawa:

voting slowed down, no new comments in a looooooonnnnnng time

Message edited by author 2005-12-22 17:58:25.