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12/16/2005 09:43:23 PM · #76 |
It was blocked because of the domain, not because of her work. I just chose that link becasue it has lots of examples of he work. Do a google search and you'll find plenty more examples from non-blocked domains.
Here's some galleries that don't seem to have a problem showing Sally Mann's work. There also was a PBS special on her.
Museum of Fine Arts, Boston
Photograph collection online
San Francisco Museum of Modern Art
Cleveland Museum of Art, Ohio
Black Eye
Corcoran Gallery of Art, Washington D.C.
The Last Time Emmett Modeled Nude
Harvard University Art Museums, Massachusetts NEW!
High Museum of Art, Georgia
Hirshhorn Museum and Sculpture Garden, Washington D.C.
Untitled (Manassas #15 from the Battlefield series), 2000
Hood Museum of Art, New Hampshire
Sally Mann in the Los Angeles County Museum of Art Database
Modern Art Museum of Fort Worth, Texas
Sweet Briar College Art Gallery, Virginia
Sweet Briar College Art Gallery, Virginia
Shiva at Whistle Creek, 1992
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12/16/2005 09:45:24 PM · #77 |
Originally posted by beautyqn25:
I am the one who entered that beautiful shot of my daughter with the teddy bear. I didn't see anything wrong with the photo, but I recieved sick and threathening emails over it. Someone claiming that they found my address and phone number in 8 minutes and even suggested that I must be desperate to photograph half nude children. I was even asked if I gett off on it?? I think it is really sad that the world has become so evil and ugly that something as beautiful and innocent as that shot would be considered a borderline pornographic shot. I asked to have it withdrawn forthose reasons, I was really shaken up and disturbed by the negativity I got from it.
It is a BEAUTIFUL photo and I am blowing it up and framing it in my home for sure!!
I CANNOT express how much I TRULY appreciate the positive support I have received form it though!! I thank you dso much that you all could see the beauty and innocence in it!!
I will continue to enter photos here, I just won't do anymore 6yrs olds with no shirts! LOL!!
Thank you all again! SOOOO MUCH!!!:)
Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to you!!:) |
Hey ... I am so sorry that that happened to you. The image should have a honored place in your home ... It is a "classic"
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12/16/2005 09:49:54 PM · #78 |
Originally posted by beautyqn25:
I am the one who entered that beautiful shot of my daughter with the teddy bear. I didn't see anything wrong with the photo, but I recieved sick and threathening emails over it. Someone claiming that they found my address and phone number in 8 minutes and even suggested that I must be desperate to photograph half nude children. I was even asked if I gett off on it?? I think it is really sad that the world has become so evil and ugly that something as beautiful and innocent as that shot would be considered a borderline pornographic shot. I asked to have it withdrawn forthose reasons, I was really shaken up and disturbed by the negativity I got from it.
It is a BEAUTIFUL photo and I am blowing it up and framing it in my home for sure!!
I CANNOT express how much I TRULY appreciate the positive support I have received form it though!! I thank you dso much that you all could see the beauty and innocence in it!!
I will continue to enter photos here, I just won't do anymore 6yrs olds with no shirts! LOL!!
Thank you all again! SOOOO MUCH!!!:)
Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to you!!:) |
I am so sorry. That's the worst thing I've ever heard of happening on DPC. Nobody should have to be subjected to that. I just want you to know that I *completely* understand your taking it down. The sheer audacity of the person(s) responsible for the threats is absolutely sickening. |
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12/16/2005 09:53:37 PM · #79 |
Just in case I failed to communicate my position in the whole issue, let me clarify:
-I saw the pic and did not find it objectionable.
-I respect the opinions (legal, moral or emotional) of those who did find it objectionable.
-If the "legal" opinion expressed was designed to exert influence to have the picture removed, I condemn the abuse of their position, however I assume that the person had the best intentions, but may just be a clod when it comes to communicating.
-We live in a different world than the one I grew up in. My kids can't do the things I did.
-The reasons the world is different range from reasonable fear of real dangers to irrational fear of perceived dangers, in addition to an increase in sensational reporting combined with judgemental mob-mentalities.
-I don't believe we should live in constant fear, but we have to be realistic about the real dangers AND the perceived dangers. The balancing of living free and being cautious and protective is up to parents to determine.
-I believe these issues discussed and the problems we face are more a result of the "it takes a village" crowd, not the right-wing fundamentalists. It is left-wing fundamentalists who subscribe to the notion that the government knows more about how to raise children than parents do.
Alright well I still wasn't concise, but I was on a roll. ;-) |
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12/16/2005 09:57:15 PM · #80 |
It's amazing how much you miss when you are formulating your own post. :)
Sorry to hear, but very surprised to hear also. I've seen a lot more eyebrow raising pics in challenges in the past and don't recall that ever hapenning. Did you report the person who sent the emails? WHo was it? |
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12/16/2005 10:06:40 PM · #81 |
Originally posted by beautyqn25:
I am the one who entered that beautiful shot of my daughter with the teddy bear. I didn't see anything wrong with the photo, but I recieved sick and threathening emails over it. Someone claiming that they found my address and phone number in 8 minutes and even suggested that I must be desperate to photograph half nude children. I was even asked if I gett off on it?? I think it is really sad that the world has become so evil and ugly that something as beautiful and innocent as that shot would be considered a borderline pornographic shot. I asked to have it withdrawn forthose reasons, I was really shaken up and disturbed by the negativity I got from it.
It is a BEAUTIFUL photo and I am blowing it up and framing it in my home for sure!!
I CANNOT express how much I TRULY appreciate the positive support I have received form it though!! I thank you dso much that you all could see the beauty and innocence in it!!
I will continue to enter photos here, I just won't do anymore 6yrs olds with no shirts! LOL!!
Thank you all again! SOOOO MUCH!!!:)
Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to you!!:) |
That stinks. Sorry!
Merry Christmas to you too and glad you will still post pictures. |
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12/16/2005 10:08:30 PM · #82 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
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-I believe these issues discussed and the problems we face are more a result of the "it takes a village" crowd, not the right-wing fundamentalists. It is left-wing fundamentalists who subscribe to the notion that the government knows more about how to raise children than parents do.
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I am not sure I agree with you on this ... I think it is the ultra right wing (read: not your normal run of mill conservative) that sees pure evil in any form of even implied nudity ... we see it on here from the usual cast of suspects. When you add in kids ... even though there was cleary no immoral intent in the pic in question they just amp up to uncontrollable levels.
I mean did you read the comment left on Sonifo's image... That does not seem lefty to me. Could be wrong though
Message edited by author 2005-12-16 22:11:38. |
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12/16/2005 10:20:07 PM · #83 |
Originally posted by beautyqn25:
I recieved sick and threathening emails over it. Someone claiming that they found my address and phone number in 8 minutes and even suggested that I must be desperate to photograph half nude children. I was even asked if I gett off on it?? |
Ugh! You should report that. There is no place for such behavior on this site.
Message edited by author 2005-12-16 22:20:52. |
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12/16/2005 10:25:34 PM · #84 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by beautyqn25:
I recieved sick and threathening emails over it. Someone claiming that they found my address and phone number in 8 minutes and even suggested that I must be desperate to photograph half nude children. I was even asked if I gett off on it?? |
Ugh! You should report that. There is no place for such behavior on this site. |
No place for that on this site or ANY respectable site...
That individual should be banned at a minimum... |
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12/16/2005 10:27:12 PM · #85 |
Originally posted by Ombra_foto:
That individual should be banned at a minimum... |
Absolutely - there are laws against both stalking and harassment.
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12/16/2005 10:37:23 PM · #86 |
Consider this my show of support for beautyqn25 and a most strong voice opposing the shallow, small-minded, perverted, sick, deranged person who threatened her.
I'm exceedingly tolerant of just about anything; however, puritan witchhunts against innocuous art forms is beyond my comprehension.
To the threatener - look inside before casting accusations at others, you see things you *want* to see. |
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12/16/2005 10:37:26 PM · #87 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Just in case I failed to communicate my position in the whole issue, let me clarify:
-I saw the pic and did not find it objectionable.
-I respect the opinions (legal, moral or emotional) of those who did find it objectionable.
-If the "legal" opinion expressed was designed to exert influence to have the picture removed, I condemn the abuse of their position, however I assume that the person had the best intentions, but may just be a clod when it comes to communicating.
-We live in a different world than the one I grew up in. My kids can't do the things I did.
-The reasons the world is different range from reasonable fear of real dangers to irrational fear of perceived dangers, in addition to an increase in sensational reporting combined with judgemental mob-mentalities.
-I don't believe we should live in constant fear, but we have to be realistic about the real dangers AND the perceived dangers. The balancing of living free and being cautious and protective is up to parents to determine.
-I believe these issues discussed and the problems we face are more a result of the "it takes a village" crowd, not the right-wing fundamentalists. It is left-wing fundamentalists who subscribe to the notion that the government knows more about how to raise children than parents do.
Alright well I still wasn't concise, but I was on a roll. ;-) |
ditto. |
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12/16/2005 10:47:17 PM · #88 |
Originally posted by nomad469:
I am not sure I agree with you on this ...
...I mean did you read the comment left on Sonifo's image... That does not seem lefty to me. Could be wrong though |
No problem. Frankly, I can't tell anything from that post about where this persons morals or politics lean, but if all I had to go by was that post and the fact that they are from the most (or second most) leftist state in the country, I would tend to think that reinforces my position rather than disprove it.
But in any case, I don't take any single source or example to come to any of my conclusions / opinions - it's an accumulation of experience - and it's my experience and conclusions, so I don't expect everyone to agree.
To Soni's post about there being bigger problems, etc. - with all due respect, that is a cop-out reason that is used to argue anything and everything. I could go through every debate on DPC and post "but what about bigger problems? Why should we care about that when there are bigger problems?" - at least that's is how I read your position - correct me if I misunderstood. |
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12/16/2005 10:51:12 PM · #89 |
okay, getting off topic here I think dudes. but that just my opinion. ;o)
Sorry to hear your sad story beautyqueen, I liked that picture.
I really do hope that you stay on the site and bless us with some more of your wonderful work.
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12/16/2005 10:59:15 PM · #90 |
| (((hugs))) I'm so sorry you had to go through that beautyqn, hopefully support (or someone) will be able to track where it came from. Be very proud of creating such a beautiful, innocent image. |
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12/16/2005 10:59:51 PM · #91 |
This makes me sad. I was the one who posted a response to the person claiming the photo to be "borderline illegal" and supported the picture as I thought it was beautiful and artistic and of course had NOTHING to do with child porn.
To hear that you received that kind of email is really disheartening. You are supposed to be the one who's sick, but THEY are using threats? Ironic.
Part of the entire problem I think has to do with the way most people in the USA view nudity. We're taught from basically day 1 to be ashamed of ourselves and our bodies. Nice. Great way to live. I think this attitude is unhealthy and dangerous, as I think it actually breeds mental problems in people.
Many countries around the world don't have this attitude at all and they seem to have a more relaxed attitude about the body and nudity, whether it's an adult or child. It's just no big deal. As natural as anything else. Look at tribal cultures in S. America, Asia and Africa. People live together in close knit communities and are nude. And who CARES? they don't.
Which brings me to something else I've noticed. Why is that in the USA it's perfectly fine to show nude women and children on tv such as on the Discovery Channel, etc. as long as they are "tribal" people? No problem at all to have nude little girls running around on tv as long as they are from the Amazon? But GOD FORBID an image of a naked WHITE girl gets shown from a Western culture. Hell hath no fury like hypocrisy!
It IS too bad there are sick people out there and I fully respect anyone's decision to protect themselves and their children in any way they see fit, I just think it's sad that society has come to this. We're barely above animals at this point sometimes. Depressing.
Message edited by author 2005-12-16 23:02:11. |
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12/16/2005 11:01:12 PM · #92 |
Originally posted by beautyqn25:
I am the one who entered that beautiful shot of my daughter with the teddy bear. I didn't see anything wrong with the photo, but I recieved sick and threathening emails over it. Someone claiming that they found my address and phone number in 8 minutes and even suggested that I must be desperate to photograph half nude children. I was even asked if I gett off on it?? I think it is really sad that the world has become so evil and ugly that something as beautiful and innocent as that shot would be considered a borderline pornographic shot. I asked to have it withdrawn forthose reasons, I was really shaken up and disturbed by the negativity I got from it.
It is a BEAUTIFUL photo and I am blowing it up and framing it in my home for sure!!
I CANNOT express how much I TRULY appreciate the positive support I have received form it though!! I thank you dso much that you all could see the beauty and innocence in it!!
I will continue to enter photos here, I just won't do anymore 6yrs olds with no shirts! LOL!!
Thank you all again! SOOOO MUCH!!!:)
Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to you!!:) |
That's shocking to hear! I'm sure you can report it to SC or something. That is just wrong! FWIW I thought the photo was great! I'm sure it would look great on your wall! |
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12/16/2005 11:07:53 PM · #93 |
Originally posted by rscorp:
It IS too bad there are sick people out there and I fully respect anyone's decision to protect themselves and their children in any way they see fit |
I find it ironic that the photo WAS withdrawn because of the threat of sick people... just not the ones we're supposed to be guarding against. :-( |
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12/16/2005 11:11:21 PM · #94 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by rscorp:
It IS too bad there are sick people out there and I fully respect anyone's decision to protect themselves and their children in any way they see fit |
I find it ironic that the photo WAS withdrawn because of the threat of sick people... just not the ones we're supposed to be guarding against. :-( |
My thoughts exactly. |
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12/16/2005 11:21:43 PM · #95 |
Originally posted by Artyste:
Originally posted by beautyqn25:
I am the one who entered that beautiful shot of my daughter with the teddy bear. I didn't see anything wrong with the photo, but I recieved sick and threathening emails over it. Someone claiming that they found my address and phone number in 8 minutes and even suggested that I must be desperate to photograph half nude children. I was even asked if I gett off on it?? I think it is really sad that the world has become so evil and ugly that something as beautiful and innocent as that shot would be considered a borderline pornographic shot. I asked to have it withdrawn forthose reasons, I was really shaken up and disturbed by the negativity I got from it.
It is a BEAUTIFUL photo and I am blowing it up and framing it in my home for sure!!
I CANNOT express how much I TRULY appreciate the positive support I have received form it though!! I thank you dso much that you all could see the beauty and innocence in it!!
I will continue to enter photos here, I just won't do anymore 6yrs olds with no shirts! LOL!!
Thank you all again! SOOOO MUCH!!!:)
Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to you!!:) |
I am so sorry. That's the worst thing I've ever heard of happening on DPC. Nobody should have to be subjected to that. I just want you to know that I *completely* understand your taking it down. The sheer audacity of the person(s) responsible for the threats is absolutely sickening. |
And so all the more reason to try to keep the word "innocent" alive and well, and refuse to let this change the way I view children..I completely agree with you Artyste..and feel horrible for you beautyqn..
now the creeps aren't just hiding in their cars, driving by the schoolyards..they are online and connected..
I am afraid that my own parental fears will prevent my children from knowing a world that remembers innocence, and so I refuse to let those that have lost touch with their own humanity to dictate the rules..
my real fears are out in the public, in busy places where someone might want to harm them, and so regrettably I now have to be ALWAYS watching every second..I want my children to believe in hope, believe in people, to be compassionate, to be understanding, to be smart and perceptive, and to have the opportunity to live in a world where everyone doesn't let FEAR dicate their every action and reaction..
I will not let someone who needs help tell me there is something wrong with an innocent and beautiful picture of a child..because then they have taken away too much, and made the world too dark... |
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12/16/2005 11:25:57 PM · #96 |
Originally posted by rscorp:
But GOD FORBID an image of a naked WHITE girl gets shown from a Western culture. Hell hath no fury like hypocrisy! |
Oh great, the white-christian-republican-conservatinve-hypocrite argument?
I believe that's only (mostly) on PBS and National Geographic, two decidedly liberal organizations, so that sort of takes ths hypocrisy angle out of the situation.
It is kind of ironic how peoples definition of distasteful will change though. Like when people say you can have any view you want, and then flame you for having a viewpoint different from theirs... now that's irony AND hypocrisy for ya.
This was an unfortunate event, but maybe we can leave the soap-boxes out of it, huh?
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12/16/2005 11:38:38 PM · #97 |
Originally posted by wavelength:
Originally posted by rscorp:
But GOD FORBID an image of a naked WHITE girl gets shown from a Western culture. Hell hath no fury like hypocrisy! |
Oh great, the white-christian-republican-conservatinve-hypocrite argument?
I believe that's only (mostly) on PBS and National Geographic, two decidedly liberal organizations, so that sort of takes ths hypocrisy angle out of the situation.
It is kind of ironic how peoples definition of distasteful will change though. Like when people say you can have any view you want, and then flame you for having a viewpoint different from theirs... now that's irony AND hypocrisy for ya.
This was an unfortunate event, but maybe we can leave the soap-boxes out of it, huh? |
Wave ... help me out on this one ... what are you trying to say? I dont think that that statement went to the white-christian-republican-conservatinve-hypocrite argument. I think that it went to the general double standard of what is acceptable and what is not ... you could swap the word White and insert Black, asian, latino or any other "non-tribal" group and gotten the same meaning... I dont think that it was ment as an attack. Please dont call the Factor on this one ;)
Message edited by author 2005-12-16 23:49:35. |
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12/16/2005 11:42:19 PM · #98 |
Originally posted by wavelength:
Originally posted by rscorp:
But GOD FORBID an image of a naked WHITE girl gets shown from a Western culture. Hell hath no fury like hypocrisy! |
Oh great, the white-christian-republican-conservatinve-hypocrite argument?
I believe that's only (mostly) on PBS and National Geographic, two decidedly liberal organizations, so that sort of takes ths hypocrisy angle out of the situation.
It is kind of ironic how peoples definition of distasteful will change though. Like when people say you can have any view you want, and then flame you for having a viewpoint different from theirs... now that's irony AND hypocrisy for ya.
This was an unfortunate event, but maybe we can leave the soap-boxes out of it, huh? |
No, wavelenth, it doesn't matter if you're conservative or liberal, white or black or purple or whatever. What I'm saying is and that you so clearly didn't catch or comprehend, is that nudity is never an issue at all in the USA as long as it's not western looking white kids.
And it's NOT just PBS and National Geographic, I've seen it on station after station. Nobody complains if a 10 year old girl is walking around naked on tv as long as it's someone from a "tribe", liberal or conservative, religious or not. Just doesn't matter to them at that point. All I'M saying is, what's the difference?
And I also think I made it pretty clear that people can think or act however they want, I said that it's ME who finds it sad that such a simple thing like the body and nudity can cause our society to go so crazy. Seems like a big waste of time to me.
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12/16/2005 11:42:24 PM · #99 |
Oh, nothing. Got a burr up my butt. Move along, nothing to see here.
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12/16/2005 11:43:55 PM · #100 |
The one on the left was on the right, the one in the middle was on the left, the one on the right was in the middle and the guy in the rear was a Methodist. *Johnny Cash* If don't know the song then find it and listen well. This is not a political issue. Sorry you took the pic off, it was not offensive. Jeff
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