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12/15/2005 08:42:45 PM · #1 |
The Trump Apprentice show's finale is tonight for those unaware. If you are a reality fan, post your thoughts, but please, no spoilers.
Thanks!
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12/15/2005 09:05:08 PM · #2 |
| i'm not a big reality show fan but i do watch The Apprentice. at least in this show they don't have to get in a box with spiders and scorpions (*shivers*) or drink a pig testicle milkshake. :) |
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12/15/2005 09:26:09 PM · #3 |
Originally posted by sher9204:
i'm not a big reality show fan but i do watch The Apprentice. at least in this show they don't have to get in a box with spiders and scorpions (*shivers*) or drink a pig testicle milkshake. :) |
OH, no no no. I can't stomach that stuff either. I don't watch "Fear Factor" or the other shows that do that. Actually, there are some shows of "Survivor" I won't even watch for that purpose.
But, back to the Donald, I really think he picks his winner ahead, or at least narrows it down to two. Therefore, I think it is just for show that he may get rid of 2-4 at one time. I knew Randal and that girl (I forget her name) would be in the end. I could tell from show one when she gave Trump a hard time in the board room that he really liked her spunk. And then Randal, everyone liked him and wanted to work with him. So he was a shoe in as well.
Well, I always like the finale, although I hate to see it end. :(
Martha's finale1 is next week, and although most can't stomach Martha, I like her a great deal. Would LOVE to hang out with her. Very strong woman, and I like having strong woman as my friends. In any case, I can't wait for her finale next week. From what I hear, she won't be doing another though. Ratings seemed to not be there, and she wasn't thrilled with the show itself I don't believe. Not sure, as it was a story I read on it several weeks ago.
Well, I am taping the Donalds so I can flip throug commercials later. LOL...I think the girl may get it though. Randal seems to be screwing up this last task, as I saw last week.
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12/15/2005 10:51:41 PM · #4 |
oh I hate it and I am all too familiar with it. my wife LOVES all those wacky and silly reality shows. she is in there watching it right now. she needs to turn the TV off and get packed for our weekend getaway.
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12/15/2005 11:04:29 PM · #5 |
oops...had something else typed but then thought about different time zones and don't want to spoil it for those who haven't seen it yet.
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12/16/2005 09:18:24 AM · #6 |
| I've been a huge Apprentice fan since the first one, and I liked last night's final. However...I figured Randal would win, but what's up with Donald asking him if he should hire Rebecca as well, and Randal said no?? What harm would it have been, since he was already hired. I think his pride got in the way, and he didn't want to share the spotlight. A couple weeks ago one of the Apprentice ads mentioned a possible surprise by Trump, and I think he was planning on hiring both of them. Maybe Rebecca got hosed. Oh well, I'm sure she'll do just fine anyway--she's only 24, and she'll probably be make millions on her own. |
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12/16/2005 09:26:55 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by Pixl Mastr WannaB:
I've been a huge Apprentice fan since the first one, and I liked last night's final. However...I figured Randal would win, but what's up with Donald asking him if he should hire Rebecca as well, and Randal said no?? What harm would it have been, since he was already hired. I think his pride got in the way, and he didn't want to share the spotlight. A couple weeks ago one of the Apprentice ads mentioned a possible surprise by Trump, and I think he was planning on hiring both of them. Maybe Rebecca got hosed. Oh well, I'm sure she'll do just fine anyway--she's only 24, and she'll probably be make millions on her own. |
Quite frankly, I was pissed. I figured Donald wanted to hire them both, but he chose to choose his apprentice, and then ask that apprentice their advice on hiring also Rebecca. I think that was a good thought, but he should have counted in the emotions of the winner. To be a winner, one likes to stand alone and not be equal too another. Randal displayed that emotion last night when he remarked about how the "show" was about their being only ONE apprentice, and he didn't think about "Trump" and how he and his companies could benefit by Rebecca. SOOOOoooo with one sentence, Rebeccas future was taken from her and it was taken away TWICE in one show. She didn't deserve that AT ALL. As far as I am concerned, after that it took the thunder I did have away from Randal, and I was disappointed in Donald's "second" choice in asking Randal for his "permission" so to speak.
Donald should have said "Randal, your hired", and directly after that "Rebecca, YOU are hired as well". "You will both be overlooking the projects you chose". And then let the balloons and confetti fall where it may. But Donald's little creative thought in asking his chosen apprentice was a VERY bad idea.
Rebecca will do well, I am sure, but she could have really been beneficial to Trump, and he did make a big mistake this time in not taking her on.
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12/16/2005 09:29:59 AM · #8 |
Was a bit surprised that Randall chose the singular apprentice option. It would have been good theater for Trump to hire both. He still might. I believe he truly liked Rebecca, but simply could not ignore the possibility of having Randall be his right arm in the renovation projects.
Regarding reality shows, not a fan at all. Reason for watching the Apprentice is the insight into business. Every show form every season is about money. It is about whose actions generate the most dollars. Selections are based on that business fact. Therefore, anyone watching this program, has intimate insight into the workings of their own employers. When the worker bees understand that the decisionmakers are calling the shots based on money, and often times no other criteria, then it provides an opportunity to uunderstand all those "bonehead" directives that come from above in your company. Consider them from a financial standpoint and many times the explanation is staring at you. |
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12/16/2005 09:42:06 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by Flash:
Regarding reality shows, not a fan at all. Reason for watching the Apprentice is the insight into business. Every show form every season is about money. It is about whose actions generate the most dollars. Selections are based on that business fact. Therefore, anyone watching this program, has intimate insight into the workings of their own employers. When the worker bees understand that the decisionmakers are calling the shots based on money, and often times no other criteria, then it provides an opportunity to uunderstand all those "bonehead" directives that come from above in your company. Consider them from a financial standpoint and many times the explanation is staring at you. |
Unfortunately, I have seen that it is typically the other way around, many "bonehead" directives may make sense from a high level, but once the details are known, they make little or no sense, financially or otherwise. The management that made the initial decision are typically unwilling to lose face by backing away from the initial decision and will explain the poor results by blaming anyone or anything other than themselves until they can distance themselves from it.
The managers that make good decisions are the ones who listen to the people who work for them and who are good at their jobs, not the ones who sit, isolated in their offices looking at spreadsheets all day. It's usually the guys at the bottom of the ladder that can make the most difference, but all too often the ones at the top don't listen.
Message edited by author 2005-12-16 09:46:41. |
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12/16/2005 09:43:23 AM · #10 |
| Oh yeah, and while we're on the subject of the finale and not hiring Rebecca too, did you hear Trump saying something like "we'll be back on" as the show was ending? Maybe he thought he would have another chance to speak before the show ended, but he didn't. That's live TV for you. Who knows? Rebecca's fate might have been different if they had had another minute or two of air time. Kind of like a football game where time runs out before the team that is down by 5 points can get in the end zone... |
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12/16/2005 09:54:05 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by Flash:
Was a bit surprised that Randall chose the singular apprentice option. It would have been good theater for Trump to hire both. He still might. I believe he truly liked Rebecca, but simply could not ignore the possibility of having Randall be his right arm in the renovation projects.
Regarding reality shows, not a fan at all. Reason for watching the Apprentice is the insight into business. Every show form every season is about money. It is about whose actions generate the most dollars. Selections are based on that business fact. Therefore, anyone watching this program, has intimate insight into the workings of their own employers. When the worker bees understand that the decisionmakers are calling the shots based on money, and often times no other criteria, then it provides an opportunity to uunderstand all those "bonehead" directives that come from above in your company. Consider them from a financial standpoint and many times the explanation is staring at you. |
Another thing that others may have learned that one may not be aware of is whether it is a Trump building or project, or you manage at Pizza Hut, the problems that arise in management or supervisory are basically all the same between manager and employee. Here you have the top in the nation by resume` and experience for Trump (as well as Martha), showing themselves as bickering and back stabbing with cattiness and gossip, etc. Just like "love" is universal if not by wordage, but by feeling in every culture, so it is in management as well when it comes to human nature and how people react. Basic and bottom line? Everyone puts on their pants or skirt the same way, no matter the title.
Trump had last year - street smarts veres school smarts, and I saw great potential in both sectors. Not saying that education doesn't matter, as it is always beneficial in some instances as a tool in business, but not all business is run by what you learn in a book or lecture. Just like you may never use geometry, but you still learn it so it can be used if needed.
I actually quit school at 16, took a little ol` factory position, and within a month I was a supervisor. I got my GED when I was 21, and eventually attended college for Office Administration. Only a 9 month course squirmed into 6 months, and it helped "some", but basically the help it gave me was getting my foot into certain doors by having a paper called "a certificate degree". Not much I learned in study was actually used at my first job, or even my next after that. However, I was in management as a whole for 22 years before becoming disabled (counting only the more distinquished positions of my time). Metaphorically, it seemed I could never just be a cashier. It was only a matter of time that I was approached to attend a meeting in which I was bumped up to management - with or without any degree or even GED in those days. It was just an occurance I couldn't deter from. So I guess I would be on the street smart team if I had placement for the show.
I guess my point is is that through my own walks of life, I have learned two major things. One is that everyone puts their pants on one leg at a time, and that people make complicated what is actually very simple. In using both, and by keeping those two things in mind, you can really be whatever you want to be without intimidation or fear of having enough smarts.
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12/16/2005 10:02:00 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by Pixl Mastr WannaB:
Oh yeah, and while we're on the subject of the finale and not hiring Rebecca too, did you hear Trump saying something like "we'll be back on" as the show was ending? Maybe he thought he would have another chance to speak before the show ended, but he didn't. That's live TV for you. Who knows? Rebecca's fate might have been different if they had had another minute or two of air time. Kind of like a football game where time runs out before the team that is down by 5 points can get in the end zone... |
I think he meant we will be back on, as in next season? Not sure, but it would be nice to hear there was a turn around in that final decision with Rebecca. |
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12/16/2005 10:16:12 AM · #13 |
Trump asked Randall if he thought Rebecca could do the job. That was Randall's way of saying no. He knows her better then anyone watching the show. That and, he didn't want to share his lottery ticket.
And... A good leader gets results. As a leader she was 1-2. That's not top knotch.
My opinion on the difference between the two; I'd love to have someone like Rebecca working for me. I'd love to work for someone like Randall. |
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12/16/2005 10:16:46 AM · #14 |
I watched the show last night--it is my favorite and really the only reality show I watch. I would have been surprised if Donald did not hire Randall. He was the man for the job.
As far as Rebecca is concerned... I agree with Alla--I think she slid under radars. She is too young and inexperienced and simply does not have what it takes. And I also got tired of her constantly whining about how strong she was because she stayed on the after she broke her ankle. boo-hoo. I did not hear Randall telling Trump: "I am great because I stayed on after my grandmother passed."--which is a lot harder than having a broken ankel.
Donald did well listening to Randall. And after all, who would want to share the spotlight?!
Had to come back to add one more thing. It is unforgetfull. I loved when Randall said: "Mr. Trump, I run a business, she writes about it." He summed it all up in that one sentence.
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12/16/2005 10:17:17 AM · #15 |
I am a fan of both Trumps and Alan Sugars Apprentice in the UK, but I will have to wait for them to show the latest one over here, it will probably be early next year.
But on the other hand now I know how it ends I might not - just kidding, the early shows are real character builders for those that are the real fighters and want to win. |
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12/16/2005 10:31:05 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by louddog:
Trump asked Randall if he thought Rebecca could do the job. That was Randall's way of saying no. He knows her better then anyone watching the show. That and, he didn't want to share his lottery ticket.
And... A good leader gets results. As a leader she was 1-2. That's not top knotch.
My opinion on the difference between the two; I'd love to have someone like Rebecca working for me. I'd love to work for someone like Randall. |
Well, you know, this 1 in 2 thing is really over rated. When you have to be project manager with others that are competing on the same show for the same position, you are going to absolutely run into trouble. It's more of a crap shoot in winning a task then it is real life odds where there would normally not be competition or stradegy.
I know I had a task once to make my company recognized region wide by running an event. I had general employees under me, but I asked them for little help and did the project basically on my own. I won the competition, the bonus, and put the company on the map for the region. Given that.....
...on several tasks that I saw on the show where real dim wits were on my team (had I been project manager), I would have simply fired them and had them sit out the task rather than put up with them and just do the rest on my own. This was not unaccomplishable to do in most instances, and you do have this option on the show. I simply don't understand why many didn't take it. In the final task, you could see the difference in work ethic, as it was then just a matter of getting your team leader to a win and not worrying about your own position at the end of the task. It just depends on the situation at hand, but in the end, Rebaccas attributes were just as high as Randals. As Trump put it "they are both stars" and neither should have been diminished from the other.
As for the ankle, she never brought up the ankle "first". Randal brought that up himself during the before time of the final live airing. In another board room session prior, someone else brought up the ankle. Toro brought up the ankle in another session. But Rebecca never really used that as any excuse and when she did use it, it was just to reiterate what others had stated. Even Trump brought it up at another time as well, and not Rebecca, so she was being very modest about the pain. As for Randal, there were one or two times throughout the show it was brought up as well - but the experience only strengthened his game - wanting to win for his grandmother. Whereas Rebecca's ankle was a hinderance to a win and not a strength towards one.
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12/16/2005 10:36:03 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by Rose8699:
Well, you know, this 1 in 2 thing is really over rated. When you have to be project manager with others that are competing on the same show for the same position, you are going to absolutely run into trouble. It's more of a crap shoot in winning a task then it is real life odds where there would normally not be competition or stradegy. |
...and in the real world half the people working for you want your job. A good leader can get people beyond that and win the task. Leadership is about results, not attempts. When you are in charge you are responsible for the people under you, if they fail it's your fault. |
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12/16/2005 10:40:29 AM · #18 |
| I do not not believe that losing a loved one is being strengthened. The emotional pain of the loss is absolutely deabilitating. And, yes, Rebecca was the one who brought up her ankle in the last boardroom when Donald asked her why she should be hired. As far as I am concerned, Alla and Randall should have been the final two. They were the strongest. I think that Donald made a mistake letting Alla go--she sure would have helped bringing his ratings even higher. |
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12/16/2005 10:43:24 AM · #19 |
1. Donald is a moron for leaving a decision like that to Randal and putting him on the spot. This show is a farce.
2. Randal had spent a good deal of time explaining why he thought Rebecca wasn't up for the job - not just that he was better, but that she wouldn't cut it. How strange would it have been for him, after having been awarded the position, to go back on his argument and show the world (and Donald) that all those things he said about Rebecca's lack of ability to work for Trump were not indicative of the way he really felt? |
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12/16/2005 10:46:05 AM · #20 |
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
1. Donald is a moron for leaving a decision like that to Randal and putting him on the spot. This show is a farce.
2. Randal had spent a good deal of time explaining why he thought Rebecca wasn't up for the job - not just that he was better, but that she wouldn't cut it. How strange would it have been for him, after having been awarded the position, to go back on his argument and show the world (and Donald) that all those things he said about Rebecca's lack of ability to work for Trump were not indicative of the way he really felt? |
I absolutely agree. If Donald wanted to hire Rebecca, knowing him from watching this show, he would have done it. He just wanted to add a little spice to the show. I think that he saw that Rebecca was not cut out for his company.
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12/16/2005 10:53:53 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
1. Donald is a moron for leaving a decision like that to Randal and putting him on the spot. This show is a farce. |
Agreed, but in donald's defense, he did ask Randall if he should hire her. After Randall said no, Trump said something to the effect of I could have been convinced to hire her. I think she would have needed a pretty good reccomendation from Randall to get hired.
As Randall said, the show is "The Apprentice" which is singular. Two winners changes the show. |
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12/16/2005 11:07:20 AM · #22 |
I think Donald had firmly made up his mind to hire Rebecca and thought the most dramatic way to do it would be to affirm Randal's caring and selfless nature by leaving him with 'the final decision'.
Donald didn't get the yes-man nod, which I'm sure took him by surprise, and now Rebecca will be hired in 3-4 days so that the story stays alive and Donnie Trump squeezes a little more juice out of the publicity. |
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12/16/2005 11:23:54 AM · #23 |
Originally posted by louddog:
Originally posted by Rose8699:
Well, you know, this 1 in 2 thing is really over rated. When you have to be project manager with others that are competing on the same show for the same position, you are going to absolutely run into trouble. It's more of a crap shoot in winning a task then it is real life odds where there would normally not be competition or stradegy. |
...and in the real world half the people working for you want your job. A good leader can get people beyond that and win the task. Leadership is about results, not attempts. When you are in charge you are responsible for the people under you, if they fail it's your fault. |
I disagree. In the real world most people you are supervising are not after your job for the same reasons you say in your last sentence. Others do not want that kind of responsibility. Also, in the real world, there are not tasks to be 'won', but to be 'done'. The "results" can again be a factor as to how you are analyzed when it comes to your final sentence - it being your fault, or your gain.
Believe me, in a lot of instances, management is a thankless job, speaking from my own experience. It just depends on the entire scenario and company and of course, your employees. Are those employees actual teams who don't want to fail? Or are they just putting in their 8 hours and to hell with what the company wants from its management? And there is where you will find failure or accomplishment with the "team" you have to work with.
In the instance of this show, many of the teams all wanted to stay and not be fired, therefore, whoever was project manager was in a no win situation. If they lost, it was usually their fault. If they won, they usually got excemption. Real life isn't like the ladder. There is no excemption for the next task, and teams have to be teams and not competitiors in order to win.
As for a death bringing strength , I didn't mean it to say that Randals pain wasn't deep. It was just that he used his "mental" pain and turned it around into strength and the fight. He couldn't bring his grandmother back, but he could accomplish something that would have made her proud. Rebaccas ankle pain was physical, felt physically daily, she had to hop around and was most likely on pain medication that 'could' have inflicted impaired judgement, yet it didn't. She couldn't say "I am going to use this ankle pain to fight harder", as it was more of a physical set back, but for Randal, he was able to say "I am going to fight for you grandma, and pull out a win for you". Two different animals is what I meant by that.
And Rebecca did bring up the ankle, but she did that in finals BECAUSE Trump brought it up before (and she knew he felt she was strong because of not running home to momma and she used that), and because Randal himself discussed it with her the night before. She didn't use is consistantly throughout.
As for Alla, she was a witch. One of those managers you would see out there who is all about the attitude with no personality. Didn't care for her.
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12/16/2005 11:39:36 AM · #24 |
Originally posted by Rose8699:
I disagree. In the real world most people you are supervising are not after your job |
I said half, not most. Good managers pay attention to detail :) Some would change their mind if they were given the job, but about half want it and think they can do it better then you. Of course they won't all tell you that because you are the boss. |
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12/16/2005 11:41:41 AM · #25 |
Originally posted by Rose8699:
As for a death bringing strength , I didn't mean it to say that Randals pain wasn't deep. It was just that he used his "mental" pain and turned it around into strength and the fight. He couldn't bring his grandmother back, but he could accomplish something that would have made her proud. Rebaccas ankle pain was physical, felt physically daily, she had to hop around and was most likely on pain medication that 'could' have inflicted impaired judgement, yet it didn't. She couldn't say "I am going to use this ankle pain to fight harder", as it was more of a physical set back, but for Randal, he was able to say "I am going to fight for you grandma, and pull out a win for you". Two different animals is what I meant by that.
And Rebecca did bring up the ankle, but she did that in finals BECAUSE Trump brought it up before (and she knew he felt she was strong because of not running home to momma and she used that), and because Randal himself discussed it with her the night before. She didn't use is consistantly throughout.
As for Alla, she was a witch. One of those managers you would see out there who is all about the attitude with no personality. Didn't care for her.
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Well, I guess all that I can say to you is that the show is over and the person that deserved the position won. I still think that Rebecca had nothing to show and nothing to give. It Randal did not win the couple of last tasks they were on together she would not have made it. And had Donald not fired Alla, Rebecca would not have made it into the final two.
As far as Alla is concerned, I disagree with you. I found that she was one of the strongest and most productive people that Donald had on the show. She is a "no non-sense" type of person and gets the job done. She has a strong personality but if you are a great manager and do not get intimidated easily by those who are talanted and at times more than you are, than you can thrive with people like Alla. I would have hired her in a heartbeat. I would rather deal with her strong personality and know that the job will not only get done but will get done with excellence. If it were not for Felicia's whining insecure ways, Alla would have stayed on and my vote would have gone to her. |
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