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12/08/2005 01:00:44 PM · #1 |
I'm not a very deep thinker, I just come up with stupid questions I can't figure out the answers for. So help me out and give me your opinion on the following scenario.
You're voting in a challenge and you recognize the work of a photographer your familiar with. For the sake of the arguement you can't be wrong with who the photographer is, so your decision wouldn't wrong an innocent.
Anyways, this photographer is very, very good and all the photographs from them are very, very good. But, the photographs are always very much alike.
In challenge voting would you: Vote them high as the photo deserves, or would you vote them lower knowing that their work is redundant and lacks any new creativity?
It's definately not a real scenario, just something I was pondering.
edit:
this is meant to be some different discussion that is kind of fun, kind of serious, but without any political b.s.
Message edited by author 2005-12-08 13:16:07. |
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12/08/2005 01:04:51 PM · #2 |
Well...seeing how this is hypothetical...
I would leave a comment on their challenge entry saying something like "can't you find somewhere else to shoot? geez! (1)". Don't comment with a baggie either! ;^)
BTW...you don't really vote on it, just let them think you did by putting that (1) in there. He-he.
Smile and keep having fun!
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12/08/2005 01:05:26 PM · #3 |
vote green party!
oh....that's not what you meant. |
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12/08/2005 01:07:40 PM · #4 |
skip it. That way, you don't add or subtract from the score.
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12/08/2005 01:13:27 PM · #5 |
I would like to say I vote the photo - I certainly try (besides I am not always right on my guess as to who owns the photo anyway).
To be honest there are subjects and techniques that tend to get a little stale once you see then a few times - not saying they are bad at all just familiar; I suspect they get a lower score because I am less impressed/wowed with the creativity part of the score due to familiarity. |
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12/08/2005 01:18:04 PM · #6 |
I don't think you should penalize a photographer for creating a style. You stated that all there photographs are very good. So to me there is a simple answer. What do rate a very, very good photograph?
Message edited by author 2005-12-08 13:18:46. |
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12/08/2005 01:19:52 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by pekesty:
In challenge voting would you: Vote them high as the photo deserves, or would you vote them lower knowing that their work is redundant and lacks any new creativity?
It's definately not a real scenario, just something I was pondering. |
It may as well be a real scenario. If the challenge topic is narrower than usual (e.g. the current silverware challenge), then you are likely to see similar photos.
What I do is reward the originality, but not punish the lack of creativity. When people submit those photos, they do not know how many others will submit the same or similar composition. If they focused on the technicalities (composition, lighting, appeal etc.) and did well on these, then I give them high marks even if there are three others photos describing the same thing in a similar way.
Second, if you are voting on all photos (that come in random order) whom would you score lower? The second and the third ones to appear, or would you go back and re-score the original one lower too? This seems odd.
And yes, as a final advice, score all of my submissions 9 or 10. |
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12/08/2005 01:23:41 PM · #8 |
I must admit that I gave librodo's one point lower than my normal criteria. It wasn't that I necessarily recognized the work, but that the approach is not as new and fresh as it once was. I question a lot of imitation that is probably not an expression photographer's vision, but a hope to get a higher score by redoing a high scorer.
A perfect example would be woodsey's water droplet American flag image. Although its not up to the technical standards of jmsetzler's version, if you were to show to the average non DPC user there would be some "wow" factor. But to the DPCer its just an OK image, because we have seen it before. I guess in short you can't unring a bell. |
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12/08/2005 01:28:31 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by srdanz:
Originally posted by pekesty:
In challenge voting would you: Vote them high as the photo deserves, or would you vote them lower knowing that their work is redundant and lacks any new creativity?
It's definately not a real scenario, just something I was pondering. |
It may as well be a real scenario. If the challenge topic is narrower than usual (e.g. the current silverware challenge), then you are likely to see similar photos.
What I do is reward the originality, but not punish the lack of creativity. When people submit those photos, they do not know how many others will submit the same or similar composition. If they focused on the technicalities (composition, lighting, appeal etc.) and did well on these, then I give them high marks even if there are three others photos describing the same thing in a similar way.
Second, if you are voting on all photos (that come in random order) whom would you score lower? The second and the third ones to appear, or would you go back and re-score the original one lower too? This seems odd.
And yes, as a final advice, score all of my submissions 9 or 10. |
I was just talking about different photos from the same photographer on different challenge whose obviously mastered a certain type of photo. But it's cool if the conversation goes in your direction, I agree with what you said, but maybe others don't.
Sorry a "3" is the best I can give your entries;) |
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12/08/2005 01:33:13 PM · #10 |
Since this thread may apply to me, although there are others whose visibility is also obvious I will answer the question from my perpective. While I like to nail down a ribbon here and then, I feel that this is first a learning site. In this spirit I present techniques that may be of interest to the novice. I have nothing to show the experience or expert photographer. Many of the images with special technique are presented first as a learning tool and being a good judge of winning images I am able to determine the final score on my images. Some, I know will remain even below 5.5 but all the same I believe that the lesson for those that want it is more important.
There are other photographers, whose work is alo apparant as to the author or creator. They deliver a certain quality that many would wish they had.
So to answer your question: Vote the image strictly on the quality as all past efforts do not count. If you are doubtful og your judgement check the final stats and determine where in that scale you fit.
As an example, I can not tire of watching Librodo's portrait studies, nor can I tire of Nico_blues wonderful images.
If an image tires you simply vote your conscious and move to next, but never vote high because you know the identity.
Message edited by author 2005-12-08 13:34:19. |
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12/08/2005 01:42:56 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by graphicfunk:
Since this thread may apply to me, although there are others whose visibility is also obvious I will answer the question from my perpective. While I like to nail down a ribbon here and then, I feel that this is first a learning site. In this spirit I present techniques that may be of interest to the novice. I have nothing to show the experience or expert photographer. Many of the images with special technique are presented first as a learning tool and being a good judge of winning images I am able to determine the final score on my images. Some, I know will remain even below 5.5 but all the same I believe that the lesson for those that want it is more important.
There are other photographers, whose work is alo apparant as to the author or creator. They deliver a certain quality that many would wish they had.
So to answer your question: Vote the image strictly on the quality as all past efforts do not count. If you are doubtful og your judgement check the final stats and determine where in that scale you fit.
As an example, I can not tire of watching Librodo's portrait studies, nor can I tire of Nico_blues wonderful images.
If an image tires you simply vote your conscious and move to next, but never vote high because you know the identity. |
You've definately got that right when you say we wish we could deliver their quality, there are some very talented people here.
Tiring not tiring of a photo wasn't really part of the scenario. Maybe a simpler way would of been to ask if they should be held to a higher standard in an attempt to spark something new and different from them. |
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