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08/06/2002 06:47:08 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by hokie:
I tried one or two challenges to comment on photos I didn''t score very highly (not highly for me nowadays is a 4 or a 5) but I just didn''t like the feeling.
I can say in about 25 words or less what I may like about a photo but with a photo I didn''t like as much it may take me 250 words and to adequately express my thoughts in a way that is pointed but not hurtful.
You nailed it! I feel precisely the same way.
* This message has been edited by the author on 8/6/2002 6:47:47 PM. |
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08/06/2002 07:49:33 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by boyte1:
This week someone commented on my bad BLUE back ground. The only problem with this is my back ground is solid black.
I didn't leave the comment, but you might be running your monitor a little dark. Did you shoot against a dark blue background? I remember seeing a couple of shots this week where the background was clearly visible when it was obviously intended not to be.
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08/07/2002 02:14:29 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by Karen Bryan:
I know my photo for "Something old" wasn't great.
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What does this serve? Wasting people's time? I hope not. And so sorry if I did. I'd rather look at it as validation of my own thoughts, and so still a lesson learned.
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Please please keep submitting photos even if you know they're not your best work. I believe in taking a shotgun approach to learning - try everything. I believe that learning to walk means falling over many times.
Originally posted by gracious
example, a friend was in a freak, critical accident, my fibromyalgia is flaring, and so much more.
<gentle hug> My sister has rheumatoid arthritis and fibromyalgia as a secondary condition so I know how incredibly wearing that can be. I hope things get better for you hun.
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08/07/2002 05:20:52 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by floyd:
Originally posted by Karen Bryan:
I know my photo for "Something old" wasn't great.
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What does this serve? Wasting people's time? I hope not. And so sorry if I did. I'd rather look at it as validation of my own thoughts, and so still a lesson learned.
Please please keep submitting photos even if you know they're not your best work. I believe in taking a shotgun approach to learning - try everything. I believe that learning to walk means falling over many times.
Originally posted by gracious
example, a friend was in a freak, critical accident, my fibromyalgia is flaring, and so much more.
<gentle hug> My sister has rheumatoid arthritis and fibromyalgia as a secondary condition so I know how incredibly wearing that can be. I hope things get better for you hun.
John[/i]
Thanks Floyd, I really am much better today. Some days are just worse than others. Sorry about your sis...dunno much about rheumie treatment but there is a new drug that is helping FMS. Tell her to ask her Doc about Zanaflex. It's made a world of diff for me.
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08/10/2002 03:00:37 PM · #30 |
I have to say my instinct now is that I want to go right back and delete every comment I made. (But I know that won't take them back).
Chances are the comment was mine, who knows?
I noticed from reading the forums that people are pressing for comments and can be quite upset to get 60 or 70 or 100 votes and only 1 or 2 comments.
So I tried really hard to put in some comments for as many of the submissions as possible, and tried to be inoffensive in the cases where I was commenting on a photo I had scored very low. This was pretty timeconsuming and really hard to do.
Now I feel differently. I think that, even if the comment wasn't from me this time, it could be next time. I don't know how to be sure that what I see as constructive criticism isn't taken as condescending or cruel or such.
So I have decided not to comment on any photos I score badly in the future.
Karen, I do hope the comment which upsets you doesn't prove to be mine, but if it is, I apologise most sincerely right now.
Kavey
* This message has been edited by the author on 8/10/2002 3:00:03 PM. |
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08/10/2002 10:40:03 PM · #31 |
The comments I've recieved which have been most offensive have been posted by users who don't submit and who don't participate in the forums. On Monday I get to see who submitted the comments, I look at their profile, and then tell myself that that person is just an a*hole and that at least I have the guts to put my (attempt at) photography out for public scrutiny. ;)
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08/11/2002 05:46:54 AM · #32 |
Mark
I don't submit photos but I am not an *hole, as you put it. I just don't have a digital camera, I use a regular film one only.
A friend who is very into digital photography invited me to the site.
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08/11/2002 09:13:06 AM · #33 |
Karen,
Your pictures are some of the ones that I can't hardly wait to see at the end of each challenge. They are usually refreshing and full of thought. You have become one of the better participants here and people look up to you, so keep your chin up and disregard some fools lowly comment. If it was left by one of the better photographers I am sure they will have no problem explaining themselves. I can't wait until tonight to see the results. Good luck!
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08/11/2002 10:24:30 AM · #34 |
Originally posted by Kavey:
Mark
I don't submit photos but I am not an *hole, as you put it. I just don't have a digital camera, I use a regular film one only.
A friend who is very into digital photography invited me to the site.
Do you feel only people who submit should be able to vote?
Not at all. That's not what I meant. My post was in response to an earlier one about people leaving offensive, insulting comments. It's one thing to say the focus isn't sharp or that it would have looked better if this was cropped out or some such comment. Those are valid and constructive comments and those are the types of comments I've seen from you.
What I was referring to are comments that say "This photo sucks." Those are the a*holes, and my experience has been that most of those people don't submit and don't participate in the forums.
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08/11/2002 02:21:41 PM · #35 |
People leave comments like "That photo sucks" ???
That's downright rude and is insulting. Feel free to call those kind of voters a**holes anytime! There have to better and more courteous ways of expressing dislike of a photo - simply saying "I don't like this" has got to be better than that. Eeeek!
Mine are more along the lines of "I think the composition is poor, it could be improved by blah blah blah" or "Whilst I can see that this subject matter is old, the photo itself doesn't grab me" or "For me, this doesn't say Something Old, though I appreciate it may to you and other voters".
That's as rude as I get.
But I am worried about the possibility my comments could be taken as patronizing.
* This message has been edited by the author on 8/11/2002 2:22:13 PM. |
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08/11/2002 03:24:00 PM · #36 |
I wouldn't worry about it Kavey.
Say what you think and if someone has a beef with what you said then deal with it. Usually it'll be a misunderstanding Im sure.
Also - you should scan and upload some of your pictures to www.pbase.com so the folks here can comment on them. Trust me - it's good for the soul :-)
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08/11/2002 03:45:40 PM · #37 |
Thanks FloYdeee I will check it out...
I already have recent ones uploaded to ofoto.
If anyone would like links to my Africa, Venice or London photos let me know (all taken on regular film SLR not digital).
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08/11/2002 04:43:19 PM · #38 |
Grayce, my mom has Fibromyalgia and is in pain all the time, i would like to know if there is any medication that she can take other then ultracet....
* This message has been edited by the author on 8/11/2002 4:43:22 PM. |
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08/12/2002 07:29:00 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by shutterfly:
Grayce, my mom has Fibromyalgia and is in pain all the time, i would like to know if there is any medication that she can take other then ultracet...
Fibromyalgia strikes mainly women, usually of child-bearing age. There is no known cure, it's not contagious, not degenerative, but can be debilitating. More and more research is being done. The medication that has helped me the most is a muscle relaxer meant for Multiple Schlerosis. It's called Zanaflex and is being prescribed with more success than just about anything else. Have your Mom discuss it with her Dr.
Good luck!
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08/16/2002 02:32:12 AM · #40 |
| Karen, I feel the same way at times. I came to this site to become a better photographer, not to be depressed. Thanks, by the way for the sympathy. |
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08/16/2002 07:49:05 AM · #41 |
Karen,
Dont feel bad, just know that some of the people here are not proffesionals and love to dissect pictures to look for the smallest flaws, some guy even critizised me about the title on my submission.
So dont feel bad, just dont do the same to others as I am sure I wont. By the way you are a good looking babe :) Take care.
Originally posted by Karen Bryan:
1) Let me begin by saying I am not starting this post to support being able to see the names of commenters, or be able to write to them during the challenge. I believe I can be patient enough to wait until Monday.
2) I have, from the get-go (since joining dpchallenge), received comments from people that I am not particularly happy about. After absorbing the comment, I think I have done a good job at growing thick skin, and reread comments in the vein they were intended: frank, constructive critisism.
3) I have participated in forums where I have done a *there, there* cyber pat on the back to other's rants about negative comments....
4) I am hoping the person who left me the particular comment last night was just in a bad mood which can be over-looked by me later....
That said:
I know my photo for "Something old" wasn't great. I have begun to be able to look at a photo and critizise it myself and even "score" it: "Oh, this is about a 6, I bet", or whatever. I looked at this one, laughed, and said to myself. "Not your best. Probably a 4 or a 5! But, go ahead and submit because I'm on withdrawal", and, as I've posted before, I am having "photographer's block" (of sorts) - so I thought throwing myself into the "game" I could activate some creativity. So, I went out and photo'd. Well, the photo is getting exactly what I expected: a 4.6 (currently, although it was at 5 for a bit), but most importantly, it is getting comments that I totally agree with, and saw myself before submitting.
What does this serve? Wasting people's time? I hope not. And so sorry if I did. I'd rather look at it as validation of my own thoughts, and so still a lesson learned.
BUT!!! There is a particular comment that I have referred to above: the one from last night.
It is taking every morsel of control to not post it here (because I don't like that): so I will just say I will revisit this again on Monday.
My return message: Don't patronize me!
Sorry this is vague and long...
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08/16/2002 09:28:12 AM · #42 |
Thank you both for your support and messages.
Earlier in the thread (see: 8/6/2002 at 10:36 a.m.) I had a PM discussion with one of the moderators who showed me another way to take the comment.
I see since the challenge ended that the same comment which I found condescending was made on other photos, and now think - seeing it on the whole rather than singly - it was to serve the voter as a guideline as to how to vote, and not meant in a condescending way at all.
Also on 8/6/2002 at 4:40 p.m., I answered gracious's post re: being subject to moods:
"Re: being subject to moods, this is why I was hoping I was taking the comment the wrong way. Earlier in this thread you'll see I bounced the comment off a moderator when asked via email. The email conversation and this thread did serve to diffuse me! :-)"
In that response, I was referring to the voter's moods.
But it is equally possible for me to infer meaning in a comment based on *my* mood.
While I have seen terrible comments, and subsequent *pats on the back*, which in no way are invalidated now, I see that I jumped to a conclusion on this particular instance.
Since this original post and other's like it a lot of people have voiced their desire to only want to make nice comments on photos and have seen less contructive critisism - I am sorry for that. I in no way wanted to discourage honesty.
I have learned alot about photography on this site.... and about interpreting threads.
Thanks.
* This message has been edited by the author on 8/16/2002 9:27:44 AM.
* This message has been edited by the author on 8/16/2002 9:28:43 AM.
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