IYO.. will Canon replace 20D soon?

Canon EF 16-35mm f/2.8 L USM

11/15/2005 12:15:47 PM · #27

Originally posted by Ennil:

And how much do you estimate the price of the 20D will drop to?

I got butterfliesin my stomach just thinking about it.

The 10d dumped to $899 at samsclub when the 20d came out...

thatcloudthere

Canon EOS-1D

11/15/2005 12:40:02 PM · #28

I look forward to seeing what Canon will come out with next...I am selling my 300d and plan to upgrade to the 20d or perhaps it's replacement. I would love to see a 1.3x sensor (unlikely, i think) and more AF points (likely, i think) as well as a more robust body.

I predict that I'll just end up going with a used 20d.

11/15/2005 12:44:11 PM · #29

Canon can't drop the price of the 20D much more....

RebelXT retail is $799-$999. That means that the 20D has to be around $1100-$1300 to prevent loss in RebelXT sales.

My guess, the 30D is already 90% made. But they're waiting for 20D stock to drain. And while they wait they're adding extra features in firmware, etc. When the 20D stock is basically sold out they will release the 30D.

Then if the 20D drops lower, it will be the dealers taking the hit and not Canon. And a dealer will be stuck trying to explain to a customer why there is only a $100 difference between a RebelXT & a 20D. And yet, he'll want the customer to buy the RebelXT because he has a higher margin on it.

Yup...it's a crap shoot.

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.8D

11/15/2005 12:50:18 PM · #30

im just waiting for costco to offer the 5D and then maybe ill purchase it.

wavelength

Nikon D300

11/15/2005 12:52:19 PM · #31

Originally posted by theSaj:

I think you're probably wrong. Canon will fill the space between the 20d and 5d with a 10mp APS camera to defeat the d200, mostly to avoid the issues you're talking about. These cameras are reaching a saturation point, and they'll expand their market segment, instead of contracting it. It'll be priced somewhere in the neighborhood of the d200, about $1600, and will leave plenty of room for Canon and the suppliers to keep milking the 20d cash cow for a bit.

eslaydog

Samsung Galaxy S24, S24+, S24 Ultra

11/15/2005 12:52:37 PM · #32

Originally posted by TroyMosley:

im just waiting for costco to offer the 5D and then maybe ill purchase it.

So am I. :) I've even emailed them to ask them to carry it.

Bear_Music

Sony Vario-Tessar T* FE 24-70mm f/4 ZA OSS

11/15/2005 12:52:43 PM · #33

Originally posted by thatcloudthere:

Chances of Canon changing sensor size in the 20D upgrade is absolutely zilch. They are ohn record as being committed to the EF-S mount in this range of camera.

R.

11/15/2005 12:56:08 PM · #34

Originally posted by eslaydog:

Originally posted by TroyMosley:
im just waiting for costco to offer the 5D and then maybe ill purchase it.

So am I. :) I've even emailed them to ask them to carry it.

did they reply,

eslaydog

11/15/2005 12:57:48 PM · #35

Not yet.

11/15/2005 01:18:36 PM · #36

Originally posted by wavelength:

Originally posted by theSaj:
Canon can't drop the price of the 20D much more....

RebelXT retail is $799-$999. That means that the 20D has to be around $1100-$1300 to prevent loss in RebelXT sales.

My guess, the 30D is already 90% made. But they're waiting for 20D stock to drain. And while they wait they're adding extra features in firmware, etc. When the 20D stock is basically sold out they will release the 30D

I think you misunderstood me. I was saying that I do not think that Canon will drop the 20D to $899 when the 30D arrives (as the reference to 10D dropping on arrival of the 20D). As the XT is already marketed at that price. And an XT at $899 has a lot more profit margin than a 20D at $899. So I believe Canon will liquidate all their stock of 20D before we see a 30D. (That doesn't mean stores and warehouses will not have them.) But then the burden of loss on margin goes to the dealers/wholesalers and not Canon.
I think you're probably wrong. Canon will fill the space between the 20d and 5d with a 10mp APS camera to defeat the d200, mostly to avoid the issues you're talking about. These cameras are reaching a saturation point, and they'll expand their market segment, instead of contracting it. It'll be priced somewhere in the neighborhood of the d200, about $1600, and will leave plenty of room for Canon and the suppliers to keep milking the 20d cash cow for a bit.

Azrifel

Fujifilm X100VI

11/15/2005 02:14:56 PM · #37

What can Canon do? Imagine when they release a 30D with a 12mp APS-C sensor. Knowing Canon, that 12mp APS-C would not be worse noise-wise compared to the 20D 8mp APS-C sensor, which in turn competes very well with the 5D's noise and DR.

So what would happen to Canon 5D sales when Canon releases a 12mp APS-C without vignetting, good DR and the same noise characteristics?

Going from 8 to 10mp is not a big deal, so that's out of the question.
No, like what has been said before, it would be most logical to upgrade the 20D with a bigger buffer, larger LCD, new battery perhaps, whatever.
But you never known with cameras. :)

Canon EF 16-35mm f/2.8 L USM

11/15/2005 03:15:16 PM · #38

My guess, they'll keep the same battery. Perhaps add the following:

Bigger buffer
Larger LCD
Spot Metering
RGB Histogram

And perhaps some minor revision to photo options, custom functions, modes, etc.

Maybe, just maybe the 30D will have the eye controlled focus system. It would really be the best one to put it in for several reasons. 1) Canon seems to not put their newest newfound gizmos in their top pro units. Pros are very unforgiving as they need reliability. 2) 30D will correspond closely to EOS-3. (Though, they might do this in the new 1Ds MKIII

*shrugs*

Message edited by author 2005-11-15 15:24:16.

thatcloudthere

Canon EOS-1D

11/15/2005 03:20:51 PM · #39

I hope it takes video...that way when people ask me if my camera takes video I won't have to come up with a smart ass answer every time.

11/15/2005 03:25:04 PM · #40

I have a 20D....I set the JPG to low quality and hold the button. And explain to them that it doesn't do sound....

*lol*

11/21/2005 10:54:24 AM · #41

Has anyone heard anything new

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0 L IS

11/28/2005 11:10:31 AM · #42

thought i would try agian, anything new

robs

Canon EOS R6 Mark II

11/28/2005 11:31:08 AM · #43

Originally posted by theSaj:

I have a 20D....I set the JPG to low quality and hold the button. And explain to them that it doesn't do sound....

*lol*

Love it, Have to remember that - I guess you also have that old 8mm clickty-clack retro thing going burning that many pixels per second.

I usually only get comments about the long lenses been able to see a long way - Yup, can see the back of my head if I need to :-)

On Topic, my WAG is ->

I assume there will be a replacement in the next few months, certainly a bigger LCD to match the other recent models, I think they will keep with the 1.6 crop, I seriously doubt there will be a spot meter, I assume the MPix will go up a little - maybe 10 ish, probably a slightly larger buffer, all incremental type stuff (similar to the 10-20D pattern).

Canon EF 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6 DO IS USM

12/05/2005 10:56:31 AM · #44

Ok again, has anyone heard anything new latley, with the holidays coming and all.

cpanaioti

Canon EOS-40D

12/05/2005 11:01:12 AM · #45

Best place to check is the Canon website press room. That's where all the press releases end up.

//opd.usa.canon.com/opd/controller?act=OPDPressReleaseAct

Message edited by author 2005-12-05 11:02:56.

Man_Called_Horse

Canon EOS-300D Rebel

12/05/2005 11:28:48 AM · #46

Originally posted by doctornick:

The only constant in digital life is that there WILL be a new model tomorrow...

I'd concentrate on getting good lenses... :)

I whole heartedly agree.

Canon EF 55-200mm f/4.5-5.6 II USM

12/05/2005 11:34:08 AM · #47

Yes i understand that concept. i got one L series lens, my next will be soon, i just want to see how the 30D will compare to the 5D, less the FF.

orussell

Canon EOS Rebel T6s

12/05/2005 11:39:18 AM · #48

Eventually Canon, Nikon et al will be forced to enter the Medium Format fray if they want to continue to compete in the Mega Pixel wars. There will come a time, very soon probably, where they'll just run out of room for more pixels, even on FF sensors; they can only make them (pixels) so small.

hokie

Nikon D2X

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom Nikkor 17-55mm f/2.8G IF-ED

12/05/2005 12:12:08 PM · #49

Originally posted by orussell:

Well, the pixel wars are fascinating.

Canonites " Full frame and big pixels means my lenses work they way they are supposed to and I have lower noise at higher iso"

Nikonians "DX frames give me longer reach with my lenses, reduce light falloff and the noise at the extreme -1600 and 3200- is still better than film"

I think what will happen (dusts off Wal-Mart crystal ball) is that both camera makers will approach each other in tech to the point that only their in-camera software will determine the look of the photo and even then that will be adjustable so you can get a provia versus a velvia look or whatever.

The light space that is thrown by lenses will only allow a certain sized piece of silicon to fit and capture light. Canon is at around 8.5 microns and Nikon is about 5.5 microns.

Nikon can fit a lot more or their pixels into a full frame space than Canon can with their pixels, with current technology. If Nikon went full frame with their tech it would mean something like 22 megapixels..Canon would have to go smaller with their pixels to keep up with teh war.

So then what? The Canonites who argue bigger pixels ..will they live with more noise to get more pixels? How about Nikon? Will they go for frame edge problems to increase sensor size? Will a complete redesign of the Bayer sensor mean sensors capture light more like chemicals rather than mechanical light buckets?

Check this comparison out of what different pixel counts actually mean for photo reprodcution size.
DP Review with image size comparisons

12 to 16 megapixels is more than 99% of all people who photograph can use or are willing to reproduce. When was the last time you printed larger than 16" x 20"?

A 6 megapixel camera can reproduce at 3 foot by 4 foot and be viewed from about 2 feet away with only text falling apart with the right printer ( We use a lightjet ).

I have this photo in my office at 4 foot x 6 foot and it looks just like it does on my computer screen.

We can print this size for anybody..for about $350 :-D