Photoshop CS Question - DPChallenge Forums

11/26/2005 08:44:38 AM · #1

I'm having a problem. My images that I edit in Photoshop CS look different when I upload them to the web. For example, I just edited one , then uploaded it to the web, and it looks darker and perhaps more contrasty on the web.

Before "Saving for Web", I am checking to make sure that the colorspace is sRGB. I go to Image > Mode > Convert to Profile, and it indicates that the source space is already sRGB IEC61966-2.1

This is driving my crazy! What am I doing wrong?

Thanks for your help!

hanneke

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

Nikon AF-S VR Zoom-Nikkor 200-400mm f/4.0G IF-ED

11/26/2005 09:11:00 AM · #2

I only have this problem uploading the photos to DP, but they look lighter instead of darker.
maybe you could try to change this:

edit -> assign profile -> working RGB -> sRGB

and:

edit -> convert to profile -> working sRGB

I'm stillexperimenting with these settings too, so I'm not sure if these settings are the right ones...

spydr

Nikon D850

11/26/2005 09:15:45 AM · #3

When using "Save for Web" make sure the "ICC" box is checked

Canon RF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS USM

11/26/2005 11:03:54 AM · #4

Those are great suggestions. Unfortunately, I tried them and they didn't seem to do the trick.

Anyone else?

cools98

Canon EOS R5 Mark II

11/26/2005 11:07:09 AM · #5

I have the exact same problem, and have never been able to figure it out. I was told to calibrate my monitor, but I don't have the extra cash right now. All I've been doing is uploading them two times, once to see the final photo, and then I go back in photoshop and increast the brightness quite a bit, save for web again, and then it looks pretty normal on dpchallenge. So, it's not really a solution, but a way to get around it for now.

11/26/2005 11:13:04 AM · #6

Make sure your working space is set to sRGB. Only change this if you understand WHY you want a color-managed workflow, and are willing to undertake the relatively steep learning curve to implement one.

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM

11/26/2005 11:20:48 AM · #7

Thanks, Kirbic. I was hoping you'd post :) To make sure that my working space is set to sRGB, do I click on Image > Mode > Assign Profile and make sure that the "Working RGB" radio button is set to sRGB? Cuz right now that is how it is set, and I'm still having the problem.

peecee

Canon EOS-5D

11/26/2005 11:24:42 AM · #8

Originally posted by Keith Maniac:

I never assign any profiles, just make sure it is sRGB and adjust for file size only.

fotomann_forever

11/26/2005 11:29:08 AM · #9

The best solution for web images is NOT to color manage a photo.

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM

11/26/2005 11:36:07 AM · #10

How do I make sure my working space is set to sRGB?

peecee

Canon EOS-5D

11/26/2005 11:39:55 AM · #11

Image/Mode/sRGB from the top file menu.
Same one as you change it to 8bit

11/26/2005 11:46:24 AM · #12

Originally posted by peecee:

Image/Mode/sRGB from the top file menu.
Same one as you change it to 8bit

Hmm... my menu structure isn't set up like that. I can go Image > Mode, but then there's no sRGB option. Again, I'm using Photoshop CS.

11/26/2005 11:55:55 AM · #13

Open the Color Settings Dialog: Edit>~~Preferences>~~Color Settings.
Set the RGB working space to sRGB if it is not already. Under Color Management Policies, select Convert to Working RGB and under "Profile Mismatches", make sure the "ask when opening" checkbox is checked.

Your working space is now sRGB, and Photoshop will now tell you when the profile of the file you are opening is not sRGB, and will convert it to sRGB for you. Your files should now display the same in Photoshop and on the web. You still need to calibrate your monitor as best you can. Here is the page I use. It's a lot to work through, but it should help you get as close as possible to correct calibration without resorting to a hardware calibration tool.

Edit: Aaack! Thanks to KeithManiac for pointing out that it's Edit>Color Settings, not Edit>Preferences>Color Settings! This part of the menu structure, and the resulting dialog box, function the same way in CS and CS2. It's also very similar for 7.0.1

Message edited by author 2005-11-26 12:23:39.

hanneke

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

11/26/2005 11:59:57 AM · #14

@ kirbic: is the problem of lighter photos after uploading them to DC known? I don't think I'm the only one who has this problem.
because I only have this problem after uploading with DP, my guess is there's something wrong with OR the uploading-thing-program, OR there's a conflict somewhere with the software & the photo?

11/26/2005 12:09:08 PM · #15

Originally posted by biteme:

DPC, like all websties, displays pics with the assumption that they are in the sRGB space. In all the cases that I know of, the issues with color mismatch are due to users assigning a profile other than sRGB or something being misset as far as working space or color proofing. Color management is a complicated area, and in most cases it is not necessary, can even be detrimental, to try to run a color-managed workflow when you don't have a handle on all the intricacies. I don't color manage my workflow, for instance, even though I'd feel fairly confident doing so. I don't see the need at the moment, though that may change.

hanneke

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

11/26/2005 12:13:47 PM · #16

ok, thanx for your respond!

11/26/2005 12:21:22 PM · #17

Kirbic, maybe I have a slightly different version of CS than you (I have version 8), because I had to go to Edit > Color Settings, rather than Edit > Preferences > Color Settings. Anyway, the setting is (and has been) set to North America General Purpose Defaults. sRGB is included in this set of defaults.

I couldn't find Color Management Policies. Maybe I need to look harder?

So even with my working space set to sRGB, my photos still look a little darker on the web than they do in Photoshop. Unless of course I'm doing something wrong...

For what it's worth, the photos look darker not only on the web, but also in my Olympus photo browsing software that I often use.

11/26/2005 12:24:20 PM · #18

Originally posted by Keith Maniac:

When you open the Color Settins Dialog, the Color Management Policies are right below the choices for color space, there are separate pulldowns for policy for RGB, CMYK and Grayscale.

Message edited by author 2005-11-26 12:26:59.

11/26/2005 12:34:30 PM · #19

Originally posted by kirbic:

When you open the Color Settins Dialog, the Color Management Policies are right below the choices for color space, there are separate pulldowns for policy for RGB, CMYK and Grayscale.

Oh... duh... If it was a snake it would have bit me :P

Thanks again, Kirbic! I'll try that!

dwterry

Canon EOS-1D Mark III

Canon RF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS USM

11/26/2005 01:33:29 PM · #20

If none of the previous answers have done it for you ... then check this out:

Click View | Proof Setup | Monitor RGB

If the colors change at all when you do this, then my guess is that the new colors will more closely match what you get out of Save for Web and what you see online.

It would be interesting to hear of your results...

cools98

Canon EOS R5 Mark II

11/26/2005 01:41:22 PM · #21

Originally posted by kirbic:

So everything I've always read about the RAW and how you should use Adobe RGB is not necessarily correct?

11/26/2005 01:44:17 PM · #22

Originally posted by dwterry:

I just tried it, and you're absolutely right. When I did it, the image did darken quite a bit, then when I Saved for Web the result was very close if not indistinguishable from the Photoshop version. Only problem is that it's still darker than I want it. So maybe I should click View | Proof Setup | Monitor RGB when I *begin* to edit the image, so that as I am editing it, I am always seeing how it will look when Saved for Web?

dwterry

Canon EOS-1D Mark III

Canon RF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS USM

11/26/2005 01:45:59 PM · #23

Originally posted by Keith Maniac:

So maybe I should click View | Proof Setup | Monitor RGB when I *begin* to edit the image, so that as I am editing it, I am always seeing how it will look when Saved for Web?

Exactly! That way your web version should match exactly what your edited version looks like.

cools98

Canon EOS R5 Mark II

11/26/2005 01:55:39 PM · #24

I tried it also and it worked perfectly. However, the best option is really to calibrate the monitor so that everything you work on is effectively corrected for any aspect, right? And then if you want to really get in to it, study up on color management so that you can make that work for you too?