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11/14/2005 02:51:09 PM · #1 |
As a christmas present for my mother in law I have been going back over pitures i have taken over the past 4 years with my digital cameras. When I get to the ones taken with my Rebel, there is no contest! The color, clarity and sharpness of the images from a dSLR just blow away my earlier cameras.
Yeah, after some PP it can be hard to tell on some of them, but looking at the as-captured images...WOW!
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11/14/2005 03:03:22 PM · #2 |
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
As a christmas present for my mother in law I have been going back over pitures i have taken over the past 4 years with my digital cameras. When I get to the ones taken with my Rebel, there is no contest! The color, clarity and sharpness of the images from a dSLR just blow away my earlier cameras.
Yeah, after some PP it can be hard to tell on some of them, but looking at the as-captured images...WOW! |
I'll bet that your capabilities have improved over time as well as those of your equipment.
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11/14/2005 03:07:28 PM · #3 |
| I just went to Ritz last night while at the mall and messed around with the Konica 5d... I am so jones'ing for a dSLR. |
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11/17/2005 10:15:23 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
I'll bet that your capabilities have improved over time as well as those of your equipment. |
That is certainly some of it, but like i said, i am looking at lots of as-captured family shots for grandma, so lots of snaps and junky type shots (like kids unwrapping presents, blowing out candles on cakes, etc).
BTW, photography while drunk is NOT a successful endevour. Next birthday we do the cake thing THEN the beer comes out!
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11/17/2005 10:38:02 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
BTW, photography while drunk is NOT a successful endevour. Next birthday we do the cake thing THEN the beer comes out! |
Photography while drunk isn't too bad, just use a fast shutter to compensate for swaying and staggering... and ALWAYS use your neck strap... lol ... don't ask how I know this.
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11/17/2005 11:53:53 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
... That is certainly some of it, but like i said, i am looking at lots of as-captured family shots for grandma, so lots of snaps and junky type shots (like kids unwrapping presents, blowing out candles on cakes, etc).
BTW, photography while drunk is NOT a successful endevour. Next birthday we do the cake thing THEN the beer comes out! |
The other thing that you may want to consider is that as technology has advanced there are a lot of less expensive P&S cameras on the market now that are intended to get pictures good enough to go straight to a home printer on a consistent basis. I recently helped a friend set up a new camera and printer system, and, to be honest, I was amazed at how nicely the prints looked with none of the photo-editing that most of us think is necessary for quality photography.
Photography while drunk is ok with me. Sometimes I think a few forum posters must be drunk from the nonsense that comes up on here, LOL. I wish they would just go shoot some pics instead.
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11/17/2005 11:57:23 PM · #7 |
I know I will get burned for this but if you really want to see an increase in photo resolution buy a cheap Mamiya C220 or Yashicamat 124G medium format.
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11/18/2005 03:58:58 AM · #8 |
i would almost want to say the opposite.
Unless of course the 300D edits them in camera.. or you have it set that way (like a ps does)
when taking pictures with a dslr they pictures SHOULD actually be softer, less contrast, less saturation than a picture right out of a point and shoot. This because a point and shoot edits the jpgs in the camera before saving them, and a dslr doesn't edit the pics so you can do it yourself the way YOU want it.
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11/18/2005 04:14:09 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by leaf:
i would almost want to say the opposite.
Unless of course the 300D edits them in camera.. or you have it set that way (like a ps does)
when taking pictures with a dslr they pictures SHOULD actually be softer, less contrast, less saturation than a picture right out of a point and shoot. This because a point and shoot edits the jpgs in the camera before saving them, and a dslr doesn't edit the pics so you can do it yourself the way YOU want it. |
We can program our Canons to pretty much any parameters we want, so we can emulate P&S output no problem. And we have a larger sensor, so the output looks nicer noise-wise, basically. I assume this is what he's talking about. These dSLRs just produce nice, smooth, crisp images, whether you program the cam to spit 'em out as jpgs or do the tuning-up in an editor.
I have my 20d's user-defined set 2 dialed in for precisely this. JPG one notch below max quality (for filesize), good saturation, contrast, sharpening, auto WB, and it takes just dandy snapshots for social events and the like.
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11/18/2005 07:24:46 AM · #10 |
I agree with with bear. My JPEGS come out beautifully with the right lighting conditions and a good lens. Most of my recent zoo shots are JPEGS with little to no PP except crop and/or resize. The advantage of a DSLR is that you can get a negative (RAW) file out if to get much more dynamic range. The contrast, softness, and saturation I believe has more to do with the lens than the camera. At least for me, upgrading lenses made a huge difference in the quality of my JPEGS and in the quality of my RAW files.
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11/18/2005 07:46:02 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by dahkota:
I agree with with bear. My JPEGS come out beautifully with the right lighting conditions and a good lens. Most of my recent zoo shots are JPEGS with little to no PP except crop and/or resize. The advantage of a DSLR is that you can get a negative (RAW) file out if to get much more dynamic range. The contrast, softness, and saturation I believe has more to do with the lens than the camera. At least for me, upgrading lenses made a huge difference in the quality of my JPEGS and in the quality of my RAW files. |
ATTAINABLE contrast and saturation varies with the quality of the optics, yes, but the issue here is HOW to attain best results without post processing extensively. This is where jpg and user-defined settings shine. RAW always requires post processing, because it is allowing you to apply these user-defined settings after the fact, rather than locking them in at the time of exposure. But that's its primary benefit, of course; the ability to fine-tune these parameters if and as needed. RAW is especially useful in iffy WB situations, like mixed lighting and sunsets/sunrises.
For what it's worth, a lot of the higher-end P&S cameras have RAW capability. My Coolpix 5700 had it, for example. So RAW is not somethign you have to go to dSLR to have available.
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11/18/2005 08:34:14 AM · #12 |
When I looked into buying my Canon 10D, I looked at the Rebel 300D... I was told that the Rebel was targeting a more general, hobbyist audience. As a result, itâs default contrasts and sharpness were set a little higher then the 10D. The lower sharpness, contrast and saturation on the 10D and 20D was for a more part-time or pro audience, who would want to set some of these themselves... only as a last step in image manipulation.
Bear in mind that this is only the default settings... each camera is cusomizable under the Parameters option in the menu. My 10D has a standard, Adobe RGB and 3 custom modes where I can preset varying degrees of in camera sharpness, contrast and saturation. I, like bear_music, have a sharper preset when Iâm doing out of the camera snapshots, and a less-sharp preset when Iâm doing pictures I will want to touch-up. If the picture really matters to me, though, I slip back into RAW.
I think the power of choice is the biggest advantage to most dslr over most P&S. And this is just some settings... donât even get started in lens choice, RAW format, Flashes, etc.
As someone who started in film, though... for me, a dslr just feels like a âreal cameraâ in my hands. :) |
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11/18/2005 10:32:52 AM · #13 |
I thought the issue here was the difference the OP found between his DSLR shots and those he took with P&S cams 4 years ago. My point(s) in response were 1) that his skill level may have improved (I know Prof_Fate has improved, we've all seen that.); and 2) that modern P&S cams are capable of "nice, smooth, crisp images" and prints without benefit of editing.
I did not mean to imply that P&S cams are the equal of DSLRs. No one who has invested in a DSLR needs to feel threatened by my contention(s).
Just in case you haven't had your hands on a recent P&S, lots of them (not just the top-of-the-line prosumers) have RAW, have adjustments for sharpness, contrast & saturation, and have high quality glass. And there is a niche in the market for systems that give you a camera & printer combination that are designed to operate without a computer. In that scenario, programed processing with few, if any, options has replaced the editing we usually do on our computers with software that sometimes costs more than a P&S camera/printer combo package. These systems can produce very good quality output. If you don't believe me, go to a store like BestBuy and ask a clerk to demonstrate a recent Kodak or Canon system.
I don't think they are the equal of DSLRs, they probably never will be. But the gap is narrowing all the time as technology marches on. And apparently there is a significant portion of the camera buying public who find that niche very appealing.
If I am reading her correctly, I am in full agreement with dahkota's point. The difference between a DSLR with a consumer grade lens, and the same camera with a top notch professional quality lens, can be as eye-opening as the jump from P&S to DSLR.
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11/18/2005 10:57:58 AM · #14 |
yeah. What coolhar said. I really should not post without coffee...
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