350D or 20D? - DPChallenge Forums

11/18/2005 06:49:16 AM · #27

I like my 350D/XT alot and i think the feel to it is pretty good even for a plastic body, atleast compared to the 300D.

Ive tryed out the 20D also and in the end even with its slight advantage over the 350D the prize diffrence was not worth it since this is my first DSLR camera and ill have plenty of time to learn to use this one ;)

Get the XT and spent more money on a good glass instead.

im saving up for the Canon 24-70mm F2,8L and i cant wait hehe

the kit lens blows.

Stagolee

Kodak Easyshare C180

Canon EF 50mm f1.2L

11/18/2005 06:57:32 AM · #28

No comparison the 20D feeels and looks like a camera the iddy biddy 350 feels like a toy..
Commence the flame session now........ as I slowly depart for some much needed slumber.

notonline

11/18/2005 07:26:33 AM · #29

Originally posted by sir_bazz:

The XT is the worst entry level body on the market but has the best sensor.

The 20D is a big step up in features and has a slightly better noise profile that the XT.

Hope this helps.

bazz.

The 20d does NOT hae a big step up from the XT. The price for the 20d vs the price for the XT is not worth the extra features. I'd recommend the new nikon (d200 I believe this is what is called). That camera blows the doors off the 5d and is half the price.

edit: thanks gunni

Message edited by author 2005-11-18 07:48:08.

11/18/2005 07:44:28 AM · #30

Originally posted by notonline:

Originally posted by sir_bazz:
The XT is the worst entry level body on the market but has the best sensor.

The 20D is a big step up in features and has a slightly better noise profile that the XT.

Hope this helps.

bazz.

The 20d does NOT hae a big step up from the XT. The price for the 20d vs the price for the XT is not worth the extra features. I'd recommend the new nikon (d300 I believe this is what is called). That camera blows the doors off the 5d and is half the price.

i think its D200

Carl Zeiss 35mm f2.4 Jena/Flektogon MC

11/18/2005 08:44:32 AM · #31

Originally posted by Uusilehto:

Originally posted by Keith Maniac:

Originally posted by deapee:

Originally posted by Keith Maniac:
I'm not sure that metal-bodied cameras are more durable than plastic ones, anyway.

lol, joking, right?

No.

Wow...

Look, a chain is only as strong as its weakest link, right? Let's say you take two cameras and drop them from the same height. One camera has a plastic body and the other camera has a metal body. After impact, you inspect the cameras and find that the plastic housing is cracked, whereas the metal one is still intact. Hooray for metal!

One small problem... the delicate electronic components inside BOTH cameras are destroyed. Neither camera works.

Consider two eggs. You put one egg inside a plastic box and the other egg inside a metal box. Drop both boxes from the same height. BOTH eggs will break.

Even if your camera body is CNC machined out of solid steel, the electronic components inside the camera are just as vulnerable if you drop it.

:)

Uusilehto

Canon EOS-1D

11/18/2005 08:50:32 AM · #32

Originally posted by Keith Maniac:

Originally posted by Uusilehto:

Originally posted by Keith Maniac:

Originally posted by deapee:

Originally posted by Keith Maniac:
I'm not sure that metal-bodied cameras are more durable than plastic ones, anyway.

lol, joking, right?

No.

Wow...

Look, a chain is only as strong as its weakest link, right? Let's say you take two cameras and drop them from the same height. One camera has a plastic body and the other camera has a metal body. After impact, you inspect the cameras and find that the plastic housing is cracked, whereas the metal one is still intact. Hooray for metal!

One small problem... the delicate electronic components inside BOTH cameras are destroyed. Neither camera works.

Consider two eggs. You put one egg inside a plastic box and the other egg inside a metal box. Drop both boxes from the same height. BOTH eggs will break.

Even if your camera body is CNC machined out of solid steel, the electronic components inside the camera are just as vulnerable if you drop it.

:)

The electronics withstand more beating, than you would think.

11/18/2005 08:52:05 AM · #33

i would actually think that the plastic would give in alittle better then the metal, therefor giving the inside a better chance of surviving a fall

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-70mm f/3.5-4.5G IF-ED

11/18/2005 08:55:08 AM · #34

Originally posted by Gunni:

i would actually think that the plastic would give in alittle better then the metal, therefor giving the inside a better chance of surviving a fall

Yes! I was actually going to make that argument, too. It's possible that the plastic body absorbs a certain amount of impact energy from the fall, whereas the metal body simply transmits all of that impact energy directly to the electronic components.

Not sure about that, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was the case.

NVPhoto

Canon EOS-40D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

11/18/2005 09:04:50 AM · #35

first off, no matter what you buy you should buy a warranty package so it doesn't matter which one you drop and break.

Second, i just went through this, tediously looking between the 20d and xt. Major differences are...

Faster shutter speed on 20d
5 FPS vs. 3.8 FPS
slightly more features
ISO goes up to 3200 vs. 1600.
Much better software w/ 20d, at Ritz camera it comes w/ photoshop elements.

Metal body and larger on 20d, but that is strickly an opinion to which feels best. I believe that in the store if you are used to a large camera than the 20d will feel better in your hands, take either home and after a 100 shots either one will feel great, you will just get used to it.

If these differences justify the difference in price tag than go with 20D, if not XT, simple.

My gut feeling, save on the body spend it on glass.

I went w/ XT

Ennil

Nikon D200

11/18/2005 09:09:14 AM · #36

Originally posted by Keith Maniac:

You know usually, when they talk about a camera being more durable they don't debate the possiblity that the cameras might be thrown off a cliff. Cause if I'm correct, if you throw anything off a cliff around here you don't really have the slighest chance of retrieving it and you might think about being more careful with your equipment.

When they say more durable, they mean in daily use. They usually talk about the beatings your camera's going to get or you know just when it will start getting old. The 350D has a plastic body, the salers usually give 2 years for plastic bodies (Which is most about correct, I've had the 300D for one and a half years and I fear it's going to fall off).

A metal body will stand more the harm you do when you climb mountains per exemple, whilst a plastic body will eventually be useless.

This is why most professional photographers choose Nikon, nikon may have it's disadvantages but they're made to stand time, they've got a solid metal body. I've known travel photographers that use the same nikon for over 6 years.

11/18/2005 09:16:53 AM · #37

Originally posted by Ennil:

Originally posted by Keith Maniac:
Look, a chain is only as strong as its weakest link, right? Let's say you take two cameras and drop them from the same height. One camera has a plastic body and the other camera has a metal body. After impact, you inspect the cameras and find that the plastic housing is cracked, whereas the metal one is still intact. Hooray for metal!

One small problem... the delicate electronic components inside BOTH cameras are destroyed. Neither camera works.

Consider two eggs. You put one egg inside a plastic box and the other egg inside a metal box. Drop both boxes from the same height. BOTH eggs will break.

Even if your camera body is CNC machined out of solid steel, the electronic components inside the camera are just as vulnerable if you drop it.

:)

You know usually, when they talk about a camera being more durable they don't debate the possiblity that the cameras might be thrown off a cliff. Cause if I'm correct, if you throw anything off a cliff around here you don't really have the slighest chance of retrieving it and you might think about being more careful with your equipment.

When they say more durable, they mean in daily use. They usually talk about the beatings your camera's going to get or you know just when it will start getting old. The 350D has a plastic body, the salers usually give 2 years for plastic bodies (Which is most about correct, I've had the 300D for one and a half years and I fear it's going to fall off).

A metal body will stand more the harm you do when you climb mountains per exemple, whilst a plastic body will eventually be useless.

This is why most professional photographers choose Nikon, nikon may have it's disadvantages but they're made to stand time, they've got a solid metal body. I've known travel photographers that use the same nikon for over 6 years.

I never said anything about throwing cameras off cliffs.

I'm talking about dropping cameras from the same height. The chances that you will throw your camera off of a cliff are remote. The chances that you'll accidentally drop it on the kitchen floor are much higher.

tonylees

Canon EOS-20D

11/18/2005 09:20:25 AM · #38

Originally posted by Keith Maniac:

The chances that you'll accidentally drop it on the kitchen floor are much higher.

I did something similar this weekend. I wrapped my camera in my jersey and put in the floor of the car. Then promptly forgot a few hours later and grabbed my jersey. I can confirm the superb aero-dynamic properties of the 20D... and it still works fine.

Sigma 18-250mm f/3.5-6.3 DC OS HSM

11/18/2005 09:26:26 AM · #39

Originally posted by tonylees:

Originally posted by Keith Maniac:
The chances that you'll accidentally drop it on the kitchen floor are much higher.

I did something similar this weekend. I wrapped my camera in my jersey and put in the floor of the car. Then promptly forgot a few hours later and grabbed my jersey. I can confirm the superb aero-dynamic properties of the 20D... and it still works fine.

Wow! Now all we need to do is have you perform the same test with a 350XT, and compare results! LOL

NVPhoto

Canon EOS-40D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

11/18/2005 09:31:41 AM · #40

please state your source for saying "most photographers use Nikon"

That sure sounds like a general opinion to me.

Bud

Canon EOS-550D Rebel T2i

11/18/2005 09:41:44 AM · #41

Originally posted by A4wheelin:

I'm starting to outgrow my Powershot G6 that I've had since April. It's a great camera, but I want the versatility of being able to change the lenses. Plus the shutter delay associated w/ all

Moving from the Powershot G6, I would recommend the Digital Rebel XT350D and spending the difference on a lense or lenses or other accessories. The 20D is much nicer, but since you are (probably) not shooting professionally, the cost involved with the 20D would not benefit you. There is clearly a difference between the two cameras, but the 350D will serve you fine. Just my 2 cents:)

digitalpins

Canon EOS-60D

Canon EF-S 10-22mm f/3.5-4.5 USM

11/18/2005 09:49:28 AM · #42

lol..... after reading all the post now all we need is 2 volunteers one to drop their XT and the other to drop their 20D and lets see which one still works....... lol

but anyway I would suggest since this is your very first slr I would get the XT. At work I have used the D70 and use the 20D at my new job and I also use my XT. The only reason I say that cause you can use the XT for professional shots and also I got my XT cause after using other camera's I felt more comfy with the XT and it as lighter did not hurt my neck after carrying it with a lens attached. I just really like the camera and I actually like the small size of it. I suggest if its possible in any way play around with both cameras, take a couple of shots with both even if its just in a camera store.

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM

11/18/2005 11:46:38 AM · #43

here is a aticle where these 2 are compared with the question wich one to buy.

i think its pretty good

//www.completedigitalphotography.com/index.php?p=333

dahkota

Canon EOS-7D

11/18/2005 12:21:17 PM · #44

and another one...

nova

Canon EOS-6D

Canon EF 35mm f/1.4L USM

11/18/2005 12:46:08 PM · #45

Originally posted by A4wheelin:

I'm starting to outgrow my Powershot G6 that I've had since April. It's a great camera, but I want the versatility of being able to change the lenses. Plus the shutter delay associated w/ all

You asked a lot of individual questions there Bryan, wrapped up in the middle of the BIG question: 350XT or 20D? Here is my take.

Both are great DSLR's, and both will accomplish your goals of versatility and eliminating shutter lag. And although while the 20D of course is more camera in some ways, there are many major ways that it isn't, especially in terms of the image that it produces. One of the comparison articles listed just above my post here describe them as virtually indistinguishable. Bottom line: you said that you don't have tons of dollars to spend on a camera, and that price is a major factor. That said, I would recommend the Rebel 350D. I think you'll be very pleased with it.

Pay special attention to Prof Fate's post about all the incidental costs that come with dslr's. The image quality is greatly affected by the quality of the lenses you use, and good glass is expensive. I think that is worth repeating :)

wavelength

Nikon D300

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.8D

11/18/2005 01:00:18 PM · #46

Originally posted by Gunni:

i would actually think that the plastic would give in alittle better then the metal, therefor giving the inside a better chance of surviving a fall

Actually, with circuit boards, the most dangerous things to them are bending (which can break electrical traces and dislodge connections), heat and moisture, and dirt/dust.

The better rigidity and seals on the 20d would help with all these problems.

Message edited by author 2005-11-18 13:04:12.

notonline

11/18/2005 01:10:02 PM · #47

Originally posted by Jmnuggy:

first off, no matter what you buy you should buy a warranty package so it doesn't matter which one you drop and break.

Thats a load of crap. Have you ever tried to get service on an item you've dropped??? even under warrenty??? Buy the camera and get seperate insurance for it. It covers EVERYTHING from being heat shocked in your car to being dropped or lost or stolen and its only about $40 a year.