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11/12/2005 11:00:26 PM · #26 |
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11/12/2005 11:09:37 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by gayle43103:
So let me ask....so a good photo which is technically sound, can win a challenge even if it doesn't exactly meet the "theme"?
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Having looked through the challenge histories, I don't think this has ever been the case. You'd have to have a ton of lenient people voting on that one, which I have never seen.
edit - yes I know I'm pretty new here, but as literal as voters are (especially in open challenges) I think you know what I mean.
Message edited by author 2005-11-12 23:10:33.
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11/12/2005 11:50:09 PM · #28 |
I believe the topic is very important, and I would certainly vote down a photo that has NOTHING to do with the challenge.
However, I believe titles are a part of the presentation, and therefore count as a "hint" (this is NOT the same as a submission in which the title is the ONLY connection to the topic). Another such hint is the challenge in which it is entered.
I happily take those hints on board to determine whether or not a photo meets the challenge.
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11/13/2005 12:08:06 AM · #29 |
I am less, let me rephrase, more open minded on what might meet the challenge. There are those images that i just don't get the connection. Sorry, but they lose points. Photography by definition is a visual medium, and we have a challenge topic to work with before we shoot or vote. I try to ignore the title and only look at it if i don't 'get it'. If the only connection is the title, then they lose another point.
Put this in the landscape challenge...title it 'Flying over the landscape'. Well...can you read my mind on what i was thinking when i shot this and then submitted it? No. All you can do is look at it and vote on what you see. Sorry, but to me this would lose points on the meeting the challenge criteria, and the title might cost it another point. Trying to fool me into thinking this fits is an insult to my intelligence, and i'm gonna penalize you for it.
 This one meets the landscape challenge, but the subject is NOT the landscape but the child, so some type of penalty should be incurred for improper composition as it relates to meeting the challenge - the focus is on the kid, not the landscape, so as it is it is a tenous connection at best. The lenient voters will let it slide, the harsh ones may not.
Bear- at least you got a comment. SO if you see a 1 or 2 vote you might know why, so be grateful for that!
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11/13/2005 01:38:25 AM · #30 |
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
This one meets the landscape challenge, but the subject is NOT the landscape but the child, so some type of penalty should be incurred for improper composition as it relates to meeting the challenge - the focus is on the kid, not the landscape, so as it is it is a tenous connection at best. The lenient voters will let it slide, the harsh ones may not. |
yes I agree this wouldn't work..but don't think it makes sense to say "some type of penalty should be incurred". evaluation does not have to be negative nor punitive...marking for finding interesting ways of meeting a challenge, while still acknowledging the formal meeting of such challenges can allow you to embrace many different ways of seeing the challenge..then you could look for the inspired..so simply placing a kid in front of a background means nothing, as there is no consideration of the relationship between the child and the landscape..this doesn't mean someone could not accomplish this by considering a landscape shot with the subject relating to the world around them..the landscape not being the primary focus doesn't mean it can't be a key part of the theme..
I try to vote with the idea of people gaining points rather than losing them.. |
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11/13/2005 01:43:52 AM · #31 |
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
Bear- at least you got a comment. SO if you see a 1 or 2 vote you might know why, so be grateful for that! |
I got no problem at all here. Everyone may vote as they wish, absolutely. I was just curious how many people used this as a criterion, because it had never occurred to me as one, basically. Personally, while I DO insist on challenge relevance to assign a high score, I'm not the least bothered by more subtle approaches. I don't require that images be spoon-fed to me, as it were; I quite enjoy doing a little thinking on my own from time to time.
As for the score, I don't get the impression the commenter slammed me, just didn't score me as high as s/he might have if my topic-relevance were more obvious. The image in question presumably has a BUNCH of real low numbers anyway, 'cuz it's gonna finish 4.8ish, so the commenter's not alone here :-)
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11/13/2005 07:14:53 AM · #32 |
Originally posted by gayle43103:
So let me ask....so a good photo which is technically sound, can win a challenge even if it doesn't exactly meet the "theme"?
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The answer is NO. Looking through awarded photos in challenge history, I did not find such photo.
It is good, when a photo is self-explanatory and precisely fits the theme without a title. But if a good title makes a photo shine above competition - for me it is good in the same extent.
This is how I understand "meeting the challenge". Guessing the theme can be also interesting, but that's another story. |
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11/13/2005 07:30:32 AM · #33 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Some challenges seem more appropriate to apply this than others. I left a number of comments on the Personification challenge saying, "I didn't see what you were after until I read the title." That got a knockdown of 2 points or so. There were three groups of pictures in that challenge: the excellent pictures where you could sense the personification without the title, the pictures where you could see it once you read the title, and the pictures where even the title didn't help. Those pictures, regardless of photo quality, were stratified to me since it was the essence of the challenge.
On the other hand, I was very liberal on voting Landscapes. Seascape, Cityscape, Skyscape, I took each photo for what it was going for. I didn't vote Cityscapes lower than Seascapes just because. |
This pretty sums up my viewpoint on voting... |
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11/13/2005 11:41:20 AM · #34 |
I'm pretty lenient because, objectively, the connection to the challenge could be a cultural or communication difference that is beyond me. I vote it down if it is so obviously just stuck in there (ie. a sunset in a Pumkin Carving Challenge), and I also give an extra boost to poorly done images if they do meet the challenge.
I do get defensive when told my image "does not meet the challenge" by people who don't even attempt to get it. There are some who seem to have a rubber stamp comment "DNMC" and don't even take time to really look at what they are commenting on. I LOVE comments, especially those where the person actually thought about the image and it's effect on them.
I've been miffed about my Complementary Colors entry because I sampled the colors and matched them up on a color wheel. Still, I got two DNMC comments. Sorry to vent in your thread Robt. |
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11/13/2005 11:43:03 AM · #35 |
Originally posted by greatandsmall:
Sorry to vent in your thread Robt. |
Vent away! Doesn't bother me; I just started the thing, I don't own it :-)
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11/13/2005 01:29:00 PM · #36 |
Well I am a newbie to DPC and to challenges, however this is how I judge them based on my personal interpretation of the rules for the challenges. When I look at the photo in the challenge during voting if it meets the challenge it starts at a 5, I then add points or take away points based on my take of the photo, what it says to me and how technically(to the best of my ability) it seems to me. When the item doesnt meet the challenge I start at a one and rate the photo based on the same technical aspects. So a mediocre photo that met the challenge may end up at a 5, and a photo that is very well done technically but doesnt meet the challenge may also get a 5, but for different reason. But my first starting point is wether it meets the challenge "theme" as I see it.
MattO
Edit for spelling
Message edited by author 2005-11-13 13:31:53. |
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11/15/2005 04:40:30 PM · #37 |
I'm new here too, and I've been trying to develop a good, consistent scheme for voting... I give up to 6 points for the photo itself (trying to split it between artistic and technical aspects), up to 3 points for how well I think it meets the challenge, and the hard-to-earn final point for originality. So far I think it works. I have yet to find a perfect 10 though.
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11/15/2005 04:56:38 PM · #38 |
First let me start by saying I have not read all of the replies in this thread so if I'm repeating something, please ignore this post.
Personally I put a lot of weight into how something fits into the challenge (as most do). I do not, however, try to "imagine a category" for any given image. If anything I try to give the photographer the benefit of the doubt and try to jump as far out of the box as I can to try and see what the photographer is trying to portray. There have been many so-called "out of the box" images I've looked at and wondered WTF the photographer was trying to say. I usually leave those images for last and come back later to see if I can make the connection to the challenge topic. If I can not make the leap after thinking about it further, then and only then I give a lower score for DNMC.
I think the important thing is to try and make the association between photo and challenge, not to try to categorize the image and see if my categorization matches the challenge description.
My $0.02 USD.
Edit to add:
Just look at some of my challenge entries... Hell, I LIVE outside the box (for the most part).
Message edited by author 2005-11-15 16:58:39.
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11/15/2005 05:40:28 PM · #39 |
| sometimes when I can't see the challenge met I'll skip it cuz I think I just haven't gotten it... |
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