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Pentax DA 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 AF

11/11/2005 07:48:10 PM · #1

Forgive me if this has been asked a million times....

In basic, can I use layers for color burn, dodge, curves etc as long as I apply it to the whole image?

KenSkid

faidoi

Pentax K10D

11/11/2005 07:49:14 PM · #2

Only in Normal mode.

Rikki

Canon EOS-20D

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM

11/11/2005 07:49:43 PM · #3

how can you do that though?

Tamron AF 28-300mm f/3.5-6.3 XR Di LD Aspherical IF for Canon

11/11/2005 07:52:16 PM · #4

I see how I can do curves and levels in normal mode but what about color burn?

SDW

Canon EOS-60D

11/11/2005 07:53:30 PM · #5

I would say NO. Only layers allowed is adjustment layers with no pixel data. Anything you do to a picture in basic you have to do it to the complete image. You can not dodge and burn selective areas even in an adjustment layer. And all adjustment layers have to be applied in the normal mode.

Canon RF 24-70mm f/2.8 L IS

11/11/2005 08:08:02 PM · #6

If I turn in a shot for validation, how long does it take?

I think I have a good shot for a current challenge but it needs some basic editing. I don't want to screw it up.

KS

kirbic

Canon EOS R5

11/11/2005 08:59:23 PM · #7

Originally posted by kenskid:

If I turn in a shot for validation, how long does it take?

I think I have a good shot for a current challenge but it needs some basic editing. I don't want to screw it up.

KS

If you're talking about making a determination as to whether an editing workflow is legal, it could take anywhere from a couple hours (if it's a slam dunk and only one SC member is required to review it) to a couple days if it's a close call and a consensus is required.

Edit:
To clarify, the ONLY layers that are legal are adjustment layers, e.g. levels, curves, hue/sat and they are subject to the following restrictions:
- Must be applied to the whole image (no layer masks or other masking)
- the blend mode must be left at "normal" which is the default blend mode.
You may reduce the opacity of the adjustment layer, however.

Message edited by author 2005-11-11 21:01:28.

Bear_Music

Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

11/11/2005 11:05:05 PM · #8

Originally posted by kenskid:

Forgive me if this has been asked a million times....

In basic, can I use layers for color burn, dodge, curves etc as long as I apply it to the whole image?

KenSkid

I'm not sure if you're using correct terminology, but in Photoshop "Color Burn" is a "layer mode" and only the "normal" layer mode is legal in basic editing. If by "color burn" you mean the adjustment layer called "hue/saturation", that is legal in basic editing if the adjustment is applied across the entire image, not just a selected portion of it.

In other words, you can make an adjustment layer for hue/saturation and adjust the blue saturation on the entire image, making the sky more blue but also making any other blues in your image more vivid as well. In advanced editing you might make a selection of the sky alone and apply the hue/saturation to that selection only, making the sky's blues more intense without affecting any other blues int he image at all, but this is not legal in basic editing.

In case that helps...

Robt.

Message edited by author 2005-11-11 23:05:45.

Pentax SMC DA 18-55mm f3.5-5.6 AL WR

11/12/2005 04:04:05 PM · #9

Thanks bear...

Also, can I use the selective color adjustment layer as long as it is in normal mode?

KS

Originally posted by bear_music:

Originally posted by kenskid:
Forgive me if this has been asked a million times....

In basic, can I use layers for color burn, dodge, curves etc as long as I apply it to the whole image?

KenSkid

I'm not sure if you're using correct terminology, but in Photoshop "Color Burn" is a "layer mode" and only the "normal" layer mode is legal in basic editing. If by "color burn" you mean the adjustment layer called "hue/saturation", that is legal in basic editing if the adjustment is applied across the entire image, not just a selected portion of it.

In other words, you can make an adjustment layer for hue/saturation and adjust the blue saturation on the entire image, making the sky more blue but also making any other blues in your image more vivid as well. In advanced editing you might make a selection of the sky alone and apply the hue/saturation to that selection only, making the sky's blues more intense without affecting any other blues int he image at all, but this is not legal in basic editing.

In case that helps...

Robt.

Prism

Pentax K-30

11/12/2005 04:23:05 PM · #10

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Pentax DA 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 AF

11/12/2005 05:04:50 PM · #11

Ok...I'm clear on the Saturation ....

I have one edit that I'm not sure of:

In Photoshop I click on the adjustment layer tab at the bottom of the layer dialog box...

You have your choice of layers... Curves, color balance, brightness, Hue/Saturation AND....

***Selective Color*** it is this I used in my challenge shot. I used it in "normal" mode. I'm pretty sure that when you select...lets say "blue" and move the sliders...it applies the change to the whole shot...

Is this legal?

Thanks and sorry for the confusion...

Kenskid

faidoi

Pentax K10D

11/12/2005 05:08:06 PM · #12

Originally posted by kenskid:

***Selective Color*** it is this I used in my challenge shot. I used it in "normal" mode. I'm pretty sure that when you select...lets say "blue" and move the sliders...it applies the change to the whole shot...

Is this legal?

Thanks and sorry for the confusion...

Kenskid

Pretty sure that is similar to Hue/Saturation lever so it so be legal.

fotomann_forever

11/12/2005 05:45:48 PM · #13

I have a question along the same lines. Gradient Map Adjustment Layer... legal or no?

Apple iPhone 5

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 ED

11/12/2005 05:50:03 PM · #14

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

I have a question along the same lines. Gradient Map Adjustment Layer... legal or no?

Legal as far as I know - The effect is applied equally to the whole image.

You're not allowed to have a mask in the adjustment layer though.

wavelength

Nikon D300

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.8D

11/12/2005 05:52:41 PM · #15

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

I have a question along the same lines. Gradient Map Adjustment Layer... legal or no?

nope, this adds pixels to the image. you'd have to get a graduated ND filter for your camera to get this effect in basic.